DirtyManos
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I don't see any scenario where the end result of this debate (if it happens) isn't a net positive for Trump.
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Trump v. Bernie Debate
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I don't see any scenario where the end result of this debate (if it happens) isn't a net positive for Trump.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yes, but they would make MORE money for charity by doing the debate too. It's easy money.
it's really hard not to tell people who you know are bernie sanders supporters that it's over when it's really over. one person i know is super enthusiastic about him, and i don't want them to be soured on the process, but i fear they've bought into a mentality that this is a baseball game and a grand slam can win it with three runs down and two outs in the ninth on a 2-0 pitch. it's even more concerning when i hear 'hillary' spoken in the same way as 'trump'. i think there's far more disdain for trump though.
in the end, i just really hope that sanders admits the process was legit and through a hard-fought campaign, hillary was the nominee. at this point he sounds as deluded as romney in the final days of the 2012 election though.
in the end, i just really hope that sanders admits the process was legit and through a hard-fought campaign, hillary was the nominee. at this point he sounds as deluded as romney in the final days of the 2012 election though.
SneakersSO
Member
1. Its not bullshit. I refuse to vote for her. I have my reasons for doing so. I won't vote Trump either. I'll be voting independent come the general.
2. No, voting independent is not equivalent to voting for Trump himself. Thats nonsense.
might want to check those numbers again, because that's exactly what she's doing. It is the Bernie campaign that refuses to accept this reality, and so we're here.
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The Autumn Wind
She did run away with it. It's been over for a while. I'm sorry that you're so bad at math and can't see that, but California won't even matter.
Officerrob
Banned
Nothing says dead center like Ben fucking Carson
Didn't realize people were referring to "politically, intellectually, and psychically incoherent" as "dead center" these days.
User 463088
Banned
I mean...it's understandable to a certain degree.
I went into this election ambivalent about Bernie. I liked him well enough. I certainly didn't dislike him. I wasn't ever going to vote for him, but, sure why not? But, the way in which he ran his campaign was utterly incompetent and off putting. As someone who has been active in the Democratic party since I was a kid, I found a lot of his campaign's behavior to be indefensible.
Hillary has worked very, very hard to earn the votes of people. Bernie has been defacto eliminated since March 15th, but he continues to lob grenades at the party, and at Hillary because he can. When we live in a country in which the alternative to Hillary is a literal fascist, I think it's understandable that people's patience for Bernie's theatrics has come to an end.
You are best off just ignoring Heulen. Just somebody looking for attention by literally walking into every political thread and saying "I would vote for Trump OR Bernie. Pretty neat eh?" and praying someone will look.
HUELEN10
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Just because you vote for someone doesn't mean you Belleive in everything behind them, support everything they stand for, or even like them, it simply means you chose to vote for them.
If I vote for Trump, it sure as hell won't be because I like the guy, it would be because a few choice things About him are agreeable and he is 1 of 2 eligible people who could have my vote. That is it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=189790763&postcount=3279
They were not too far apart that time.
Seriously I am like dead center.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=182411795&postcount=13
DataStream
Member
I call dibs on the winner.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
Unless you, y'know, have convictions or something.
I'm sorry Huelen, but Trump is as far from the center as it gets. He's a bigot too. How could you support him? Bernie's values are so far from Trump's despite his recent stubbornness it's not even comparable.
whyamihere
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Just an FYI that while Sanders did better than expected, the way the Democratic primary works make two realities occur:
1) Once you have a ~100 delegate margin ahead, it's extremely difficult to overcome that gap.
2) It's very hard to actually "close" due to the proportional nature of every primary.
1) Once you have a ~100 delegate margin ahead, it's extremely difficult to overcome that gap.
2) It's very hard to actually "close" due to the proportional nature of every primary.
FeenixRising
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There's Clinton supporters with the disdainful attitude again.
California has nearly 500 delegates and certainly matters. And with the pretty damning news about Clinton today, an indictment is not out of the question for her at all.
excelsiorlef
Member
Sanders is acting completely erratic and unpredictable, people are/were confident with Clinton's chances when we assumed that Sanders wasn't actually going to stumble into scorched earth policy territory.
Clinton will still almost assuredly win, but Sanders doing crazy shit like this doesn't help.
Convictions Trump openly wants to stomp on.
holy shit, huelen is a cannibal
Interesting stat:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clintons-delegate-lead-would-triple-under-gop-rules/
If the democrats used the Republican primary rules, Clinton would be ahead by 900+ delegates.
Trump won an amazingly low percentage of the vote but benefited hugely from the rules.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clintons-delegate-lead-would-triple-under-gop-rules/
If the democrats used the Republican primary rules, Clinton would be ahead by 900+ delegates.
Trump won an amazingly low percentage of the vote but benefited hugely from the rules.
Hillary may have had more news about her, but more of it was negative as well. Actually, Hillary had the most negative news of any candidate (except for maybe Trump, can't remember the graph). Don't try to act like the media is I'm Clinton's pocket.
Not to mention they consistently tried to play the race as closer than it actually was giving them more views and Sanders more coverage than he would have otherwise. The media loves a horse race even if they have to make it up.
Souldriver
Member
What an utter shitshow.
I'm not surprised it's Trump and Bernie of all people who agree to these shenanigans.
I'm not surprised it's Trump and Bernie of all people who agree to these shenanigans.
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The Autumn Wind
"You know, that Hitler had some pretty good ideas."
I don't think this ever happens, no.
But it would be nothing but a huge boost for Trump. Bernie isn't going to be Trump's opponent in the general, so he could use the opportunity to pretty much agree heavily with Sanders and make Clinton appear divisive to both his own and Sanders' "yuge ideas". It would all be bullshit but it doesn't matter, because Trump just wants Sanders voters in the general, so why ignore the last opportunity to have Sanders himself help with that?
Speedy Blue Dude
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My only two options for this election finally going at it? Fuck yeah!
Come on Bernie! How well you do here decides if I do vote for Trump in the end, or if I stay in your camp all the way through.
#FeelTheBern vs #CantStumpTrump
Come on Bernie! How well you do here decides if I do vote for Trump in the end, or if I stay in your camp all the way through.
#FeelTheBern vs #CantStumpTrump
M0nochromatic
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It's easy to tell by your wording you think I'm one of those darned teenage Bernie supporters, but I've been on board with Clinton since she essentially won the primary. What I'm saying is that he isn't actually out to burn this thing to the ground, he just want's to see it through to the end because he buys into his own ideals. He'll bow out and get on board when this is over; the tail end of his ongoing campaign is perfunctory.
Do you actually think Sanders is plotting with Trump to make Hillary look bad? Listen, I know it's easy to perceive anyone who isn't on your side as evil, but Bernie and Hillary are both left leaning politicians who have nearly identical voting records, right? He's not doing this out of malice, and this "debate" won't have any measurable effect, if it even happens.
I'll totally eat my helping of crow if this is actually the junction point for the darkest timeline, but it probably isn't.
Yeah Huelen is just another brainless sheep lol.
What news was that? I swear, every week I see some crap posted about "horrible news, Clinton is done for sure!!" And now I'm totally desensitized to it.
Sanders is extremely unlikely to win California
It matters, but it matters in a bad way for Sanders.
That Zoltan guy is driving around the country in a bus that looks like a coffin, so that's cool.
Dubbedinenglish
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Like him thinking Chronic pain should be treated with yoga and meditation?
Like him honeymooning in the USSR
Like him praising Stalin's bread lines
Like him praising Latin American dictators
Like him being Chairman of the Senate Veteran Affairs Oversight Committee when 13 vets died from from an administrative scandal
Like his call to abolish the CIA
Like him calling for a state takeover of utilities without compensating their owners
I can go on and on here. He would not win in the GE
You do know that Bernie has to make her non viable in California right? And that the last polls done in California had her up right? Sanders banking on a miracle to happen. It's not going to happen.
User 463088
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She will be the nominee before the polls close in California on the 7th of June. She needs 69 delegates to be the nominee, after a few more supers pledged to her today. She's not going to be indicted because she didn't break the law. It's over.
Clockwork5
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Why not?
there's a lot at stake. if this was 2012, it would suck to get a republican president. in 2016, it would be disastrous for decades. a lot of us in our 20s and 30s (and 40s) have experienced a conservative court all our lives. it's the first time in a long time that the supreme court can side on more progressive policies if a more liberal judge was appointed to the court. this goes out the window in a trump presidency, and the court stays the course for another three decades or so. i don't see sanders as being pragmatic when the chance is there to get something actually done about reversing citizens united and passing more liberal rulings. he strikes me as idealistic to a fault, and it's scary.
it's the only thing that deeply concerns me about this election aside from trump's actual candidacy being legitimized.
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The Autumn Wind
Yes, I have a disdainful attitude toward people completely out of touch with reality. You're wasting my time along with everybody else's.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
This seems kinda funny, in retrospect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UmG904VMOE
"anytime, anywhere" (kappa)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UmG904VMOE
"anytime, anywhere" (kappa)
There is a certain tinge of anger under Bernie's campaign, that's true. Is that what you don't like about it? To each his own, but I think the American people have good reason to be angry so I didn't find that aspect off-putting. I would be pretty mad too if I, as a working class person had the food on my table swindled by billionaires like Trump.
The problem is people like Clinton enabled people like Trump to exist, and even if Bernie goes away, the sort of passion he brought into politics won't go away. I understand you are very much passionate about the Democrats, but for many this is their foray into politics and to them Bernie is the only guys that has their interest at heart, even if his campaign wasn't as competently run as Clinton's.
Officerrob
Banned
Hillary is likely to clinch before California closes
"Skewed towards Hillary?"
You are adorable to suggest that coverage has been skewed toward her.
right, just like how neogaf is 100% pro sony
we'll see when midterms come.
Mr.Monitor
Member
Honestly hope this happens just for the edit he'd make.
Also can someone explain to me why Bernie should be obligated not to go through with this? I really don't understand the general consensus that because Bernie has a slim chance of winning he should just quit and start saying nice things about Hillary. I do agree that he's becoming a bit of a one-issue candidate and that his campaign does seem to be shifting more towards sabotaging her, and I'll fully admit that I'm not the biggest fan of those changes, but at the same time most of what I've seen is just him commenting on her poor record; even avid Hillary supporters I've talked to have a hard time defending it so I don't get why addressing it is supposed to be taboo. I'd much rather support a candidate who is shifting more to the offense late in the game than someone with a track record like Hillary or the personality and opinions of Trump. I'm also really not a fan of the whole attitude on here that if you still support Bernie and don't just give up and support Hillary you're an idiot and might as well vote for Trump; I think that's bullshit and reeks of how broken the political system is. Sure, at the end of the day if it's Hillary vs. Trump (no shit this is probably the case, everyone already knows that) she'll obviously get my vote over Trump but right now I want Bernie to be my president and will continue to support him as long as he's in the race.
Would you mind elaborating on how people like Clinton enabled Trump, rather than the GOP base and white nationalism through the Tea Party movement?
I don't think he's gonna read this. I guess that's not the attention you wanted.
Probably referring to this: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/
Doesn't really hold a lot of water.
If I had any respect, it's sure as hell gone now.
I'm impressed by how Bernie supporters are trying to play this off as a good move.
I know but I'm starting to wonder if some of these Sanders supporters in this thread realize this. It's really just a math problem now. Barring some miracle, assassination, sudden death, etc it's over.
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The Autumn Wind
It's like when people say a girl was asking for it because she was wearing a short skirt.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
just like Trump's million dollars he "gave" 4 months ago but actually didn't until this past Monday because someone actually asked about it?
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