...Right. But the Neo leaks had very specific information and came out FIRST.
This idea of Microsoft releasing a controlled leak of specs AFTER the Neo stuff is 10/10 on the derp scale IMO.
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Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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...Right. But the Neo leaks had very specific information and came out FIRST.
This idea of Microsoft releasing a controlled leak of specs AFTER the Neo stuff is 10/10 on the derp scale IMO.
it being a controlled leak doesn't have to have anything to do with timing of Neo leaks. hell they could both be controlled leaks
I just remember waking up that day and seeing multiple sites with lots of details on Scorpio stuff it felt like a damn review embargo had lifted haha
the kotaku article said they had an unveiling w/ developers last week so that is why there is an avalanche of leaks
no need for a conspiracy
gaming_noob
Member
It's either part of their marketing (controlled leaks) or MS was caught off guard with how far along the NEO is and had to react by giving the devs more info about their own. I don't remember who it was but a Sony insider here hinted that the latter may be the case.
uh it could still be an intentional leak. that doesn't really change anything. there's no conspiracy. controlled leaks happen all the time
Obscuritas
Member
Dash_Riprock
Member
Shhh, we don't talk about that.
Seems legit.....
Despite not hitting the market until the middle of the last quarter, Apple sold 2 million units of its iPad Pro, exceeding sales of the Microsoft Surface, which came in at 1.6 million units for the quarter, according to IDC estimates. The research group called the iPad Pro the big winner in a declining tablet market which fell 10 percent year over year.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/1/10886720/apple-ipad-pro-outsold-microsoft-surface-sales
Doesn't really change the fact that the Surface Pro/Book are superior products. But people still buy Bieber albums. Clearly knowledge/taste aren't contagious.
So they're not jealous because you condescendingly think you're above the imbecile masses?
non sequiturs eh.
oldergamer
Member
Ipad pro is a waste of money. can we get back to discussing console rumors?
presagetogood
Member
What he's saying is that brand power and recognition are not equal to objective traits of usability, performance, and flexibility. Similar to how McDonald's is the number one fast food restaurant across the globe, it doesn't mean that McDonald's can objectively be called better tasting or better for you than Chipotle or even Five Guys/In& Out for that matter.
Apple has been a market share leader in the tablet market for a decade. Even when objectively superior products are being released, they still need time to crack the market mind space.
freenudemacusers
Member
Good to see iPad Pro salt leaking into this side of the forum.
That depends if one needs iOS or Windows.
Tell me about it. For a second I thought I entered the wrong thread. Lol
Let's say that the Scorpio uses a zen cpu, that shouldnt stop the system from having bc, right?
If they announce it at this e3, I think a good launch period would be spring next year latest. I can't see them announcing it anytime after gamescon, that would just be a little out of place especially if launches late next year. At that point I would think the next chance would be at a Microsoft event sometime in spring.
Is a bigger iPad with a pen better than a Ultrabook?
Hockeymac18
Member
Terribly off topic (I know you didn't bring it up, not directed at you), but yes it is immensely superior.
A console with a 6 tflop gpu isn't enough detail to know how much the box will cost to manufacture, or what it'll cost at retail.
No way it will cost more than $499.
I have doubts they ever want to launch another console at $499. But maybe they can bundle a bunch of already released Xbox One games with it like Gears of War 4, Sea of Thieves, Ori and maybe a Forza. Maybe that's too many.
Proelite
Member
Depends on what graphics memory solution did they go with, GDDR5x or HBM2. I don't think it'll be more than $499 either way.
Literally a repeat of the non sequitur argument :
1, poster argues surface pro/book be making people jelly
2, I reply pointing out idc based report that has apples newest tablet out selling various surface sku combined, with which one can infer "they're" not jealous at all.
3, salty non sequiturs about how plebs don't know quality when it's infront of them ensue.
Note the implications the "weaker" ipad pro out selling "powerful" surfaces.
The problem is that there's almost no way a 6 TFLOP Polaris can be less than $499 considering that PS4K will most likely be $399 at 4.14 or so. If they released it a full year after the PS4K and if yields were high enough for MS to negotiate a lower cost, then sure.
The biggest cost for the new chip would be the inclusion of eSRAM in the die. Emulating eSRAM is lower on the scale of probabilities as eSRAM can do some operations at extremely high speeds that emulation wouldn't be able to match.
It will be in the $399-499 price with a Fall 17 launch. That is absolutely attainable with a ~6TF build next year, which is possibly why Microsoft is rumored to have it pegged for next year.
I doubt we'll see eSRAM if they go the route of HBM2. Creating methods in the hypervisor to be able to act like eSRAM for games released prior to a Scorpio support requirement seems like a route Microsoft is much more likely to take.
Honestly I doubt Sony is worried at this stage with the state of play. They have competition trounced, all they literally need to do is not fuck things up and they are on cruise control.
What's the bandwidth of HBM2? If it's high enough, I agree that something in the hypervisor may work.
As a PS4 owner since launch (skipped Xbox One entirely) I'm really excited about Scorpio's potential and glad that Microsoft is apparently doing this for 2017. There's nothing better for the console market than competition, and I wasn't thrilled about the thought of having to wait until 2019 or 2020 for new consoles.
I'm 90% sure I'll pre-order both the Neo and Scorpio, especially given they're not meant to launch at the same time (early 2017 and late 2017, respectively). If NX turns out to be really disappointing (I hope not but, Nintendo) then I'll know that since I'm looking forward to a new console still, Sony and Microsoft will be there.
I'm 90% sure I'll pre-order both the Neo and Scorpio, especially given they're not meant to launch at the same time (early 2017 and late 2017, respectively). If NX turns out to be really disappointing (I hope not but, Nintendo) then I'll know that since I'm looking forward to a new console still, Sony and Microsoft will be there.
Jessie.Bristol
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.I have a class at the MS conference time. With all the rumors I thing I will skip the class.
Brad Grenz
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They didn't. Samsung builds the phones and the shell. Most of the Occulus contribution was in the software stack on Android.
Not really. Games can't be sold as Windows Store apps at all on One. If Scorpio is a full Windows 10 box that you can install any software you want including Steam, Origin, GoG, etc, that is a totally different prospect.
They've been making console hardware for a decade and a half and it continues to cause them trouble. It's not that strange for them to change things up. They just killed their Windows Phone hardware.
At least $499.
What if it isn't a console? What if it's a PC with full Win 10 and has 16GB of RAM, an SSD AND a mechanical drive, plus high end fit and finish? Maybe MS cares more about profit per unit. That could easily be in the $800 range.
Because they will sell about 2000 units of that.
tiredheadcrab
Member
This system will be between $399-$449 and that last number is a high prediction. MS knows that launching a system at $499 is a death wish.
It has also been stated that releasing a 6 teraflop system in fall 2017 at that price point is attainable. It's a big thread so not everyone will read all the info provided.
It has also been stated that releasing a 6 teraflop system in fall 2017 at that price point is attainable. It's a big thread so not everyone will read all the info provided.
Leyasu
Banned
It pains me to say it. But I don't see this coming until September next year .... Launching with halo 3 anniversary.
ShadowFox08
Member
Seriously? You can watch a recording on youtube anytime.
Compsiox
Banned
People do it all the time. I take 2 days off for instance. As long as making up the work won't overwhelm you...go for it!
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
HBM2 is like eight times faster than ESRAM. 196 GB/s peak to 2.048 GB/s peak. A single stack of RAM is at 256 GB/s still faster than ESRAM. Emulation is no problem. And just because it has more TFlops doesn't mean it is more expensive. The APU in a console is 30 % of its production cost.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Next year is going to be Halo 6.
I'd like a Surface Book like device from Apple.
Obscuritas
Member
Nope, that's fall 2018.
nelsonroyale
Member
On the other hand, who is to say people consider those features more important than the connectivity and interface of the Apple device? I would say there is an issue of diminishing returns in terms of the value of having higher spec tablets for a lot of people. It is also not surprising though, Apple has become a far more successful brand than MS. MS pretty much lives on its monopoly in the software space, rather than the strength of its brand.
I love quantifying my excitedness by sleeps
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
A H3 Anniversary really doesnt make sense. And MS&343 would screw it up anyway.
But at least its not wrong to expect another Halo announcement at E3 besides Halo Wars 2 stuff when i read this sentence from the latest Weekly Bulletin:
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
They have their tech in place, they have the story laid out, all they really have to do is two years of creating Masterchief levels. It can easily be done. And I don't think MCC sold good enough to warrant another remake. It's not like Halo 3 looks bad nowadays, especially after getting the 1080p/60 treatment. I really don't see that game being able to sell again after having rereleased it three years ago (in late 2017).