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Elite Dangerous: Horizons |OT| Just scratching the surface
- Thread starter Anton Sugar
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I need to check where this is, this sounds good
Yeah if you jump into the High RES Feds are in a massive swarm to help you. It's easy mode if you can avoid shots or shield tank.
You'll get some real nice assassination and wetwork missions after gaining some rep here too. 1.4 mil and 800k politician hits I just saw.
Caesar III
Member
Too bad the servers are fucked now :/
First I'll fly to Ngurii to get some Soontill and to deliver it to the engineer. Then I'll fly back to my fas and perhaps am coming
First I'll fly to Ngurii to get some Soontill and to deliver it to the engineer. Then I'll fly back to my fas and perhaps am coming
Been plugging away at the community goal in Ngolibardu. Great place for a beginner like myself to get some money. I'm in the 17 million bracket now and have cashed in around 9 million in bounties. Not bad for a lowly cobra mkIII. Not to decide what to pick up with all that loot. Thinking federal dropship.
Any proof of that? It could be actual cheating, although her responses kind of imply that they don't cheat with the capacitor/power distributor. It could be bugs. Or it could be just the AI flying more reckless and/or managing their capacitors better than players.
Reckheim
Member
have you tried the vulture yet? great combat ship and you can upgrade it fairly well with the money you made.
Anton Sugar
Member
Yeah, the Vulture is especially good to use now against AI, considering its shields are so much better than the other lower-tier combat ships.
I was actually looking at that and the asp explorer I think. The only thing holding me back on the vulture is only 2 hard points.
Reckheim
Member
*2 large hardpoints. They are also positioned right beside where you sit in the ship so it gives you a feeling of umph.
Personally I wouldn't recommend the ASP (even tho its my favorite ship) for combat.
Thanks I may try to find the time to go there tonight!
Anton Sugar
Member
It's important to note that they're 2 *large* hardpoints. It is a ship designed specifically to act as a legitimate threat to larger ships. You have just enough power for combat (at a loss of jump range, fuel reserves, and cargo space) and are EXTREMELY maneuverable. Probably the most agile ship outside of the smaller ones like the Eagle.
EDIT: As Reckheim said, the hardpoints are both located on the top of the ship, meaning you can use your agility to fly circles around other ships and destroy them.
I'm using a large Beam Laser and large Multicannon right now. May just go double beam but don't want to deal with power issues, though. Double pulse is always a solid option, though.
Iirc the Vulture is a 7 Mio. ship. You ought to have about 10 + insurance for a decently upgraded build.
Reckheim
Member
I thought it was 5 mil
Anton Sugar
Member
Yeah, it's slightly under 5 million. It's cheaper than the Asp Explorer.
You'll have plenty to build a solid combat ship. Focus on large lasers and power.
You'll have plenty to build a solid combat ship. Focus on large lasers and power.
David Incorporated Esq.
Member
Nope! You'll do better with a decked out Viper or Cobra.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_6HjebZFYs
Now whats happening here, either somehow this particular weapon is bugged and generating no heat, has infinite ammo, and consumes no energy on top of the RoF problem or ships simply dont take any of that into consideration and it only has a bugged RoF.
A players weapons capacitor on that ship at full pips wouldnt be able to sustain a second at that rate of fire, and they would be toasting if not dead from the heat.
On mobile, so I can't wath atm. If that's the auto plasma cannon of doom: how would anybody believe that's anything but a bug? A weapon that has about a 10 second cooldown between shots, tends to overheat you within one or two shots and has about 30 (?) shots, suddenly firing at the rate of a machine gun for minutes?
Which its why Im seeing its more likely that its a bugged issue with just the RoF than it also being a bug with infinite ammo, no heat and no energy use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dHdsYrmKnM
Different video of the same issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dHdsYrmKnM
Different video of the same issue
Seems more like a Multi Cannon accidentally being given plasma projectiles without their side effects to me.
That would also explain infinite ammo, if that's the one consumable area where NPCs cheat. In any case though, it's not cheating AI, but with overwhelming likelyhood a bug.
If only there was a way to check an npcs subsystems...oh we do!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM1ZXMaTPoA
Its a plasma accelerator. Not a multicanon with bugged plasma shots. So do you believe that the weapon is jus that bugged that it has all 4 constraints removed, or does it have one and NPCs simply dont follow the rules for the other 3?
We already know the NPCs cheat, anyone thats taken a trip to robigo knows they cheat with their interdictions and jump distance. Not much of a stretch to think they cheat with ammo/heat/energy
Ahem. That's a whole different can of worms and at the heart of the issue is RNG. NPCs don't follow you across system jumps, they spawn around you. That's not as much cheating as poor game design. There is a difference.
Whatever that plasma bug is, it's still a bug. It's so ridiculously far outside of the ballpark of any other weapon strength and balancing out there, that anything else would be a balancing issue so disproportional that it's exceedingly unlikely even coming from Frontier. And it goes directly against what the main AI programmer has stated. I don't really think she's lying through her teeth. Why would she?
Anton Sugar
Member
So NeoGAF seems to be in a pseudo boom state? Doesn't show as officially Boom but just got the missions from Majida to deliver NeoGAF "boom data" to other systems.
All we need is a little TLC, y'all.
All we need is a little TLC, y'all.
I dont think she's thinks shes lying, and thats the problem.
She could very well have programmed her side to do things in a certain way, making calls to someone elses work/objects. And those objects just happen to either not exist or are set to infinite.
I'll come back after sinking in a bit more into the CG bucket. I just need our faction to give me some assassination missions.
Caesar III
Member
Just to further help here...
The Vulture really is an awesome ship. Those two large hardpoints are great and the agility is mindblowing
It's so good, after flying it you cannot go back to an ASP or Python Don't forget the insurance! If you are using point defense and chaff you cannot fit as many shield boosters. That way you do not run into power issues that fast.
The next step after the Vulture is the Federal Assault Ship. At least it was for me. It's a Vultures bigger brother who ate too much fast food. More hardpoints, more internals, heavy as fuck and the most agile ship of this size. It's huge compared to the Vulture
Was able to get to the CG system with the high tier. WOW! I handed in just 1.3 million and even with this small amount I'm at 50% and 8 million reward lol. Flying in HighRes is indeed a strange experience. I had 5 Anacondas (it was the highest amount I encountered) assisting in killing enemies. I need to swap one of my hull reinforcements into cargo to carry more limpets. Sitting in one place and shooting enemies is enough haha
Anton Sugar
Member
Yeah its strange. When DrBo recommended the Hi RES, thought he was crazy... but either system security has beefed up or they just aren't balanced right, but I was far safer compared to a Low RES just now.
David Incorporated Esq.
Member
I just blew up my FAS boosting into an Anaconda that zigged when I thought it was going to zag.
4M rebuy.
That's a big chunk of my CG money right there.Edit: And with the FAS, the firepower and maneuverability is great, but the shields are worthless so you're going to be hull tanking a lot, and holy shit the hardpoint placement is awful. Having the two large hardpoints in the middle of the ship but split top and bottom means it's very difficult to line both up at the same time. What I've found works best is having lasers in the belly and projectiles on top, so you can keep your nose mostly on target (or a little above) and the top mount can still lead the target. I'd much rather have two lasers in the large slots, but that just doesn't work all that well. Why couldn't the large mounts have been on the sides or nearer the nose?
I just blew up my FAS boosting into an Anaconda that zigged when I thought it was going to zag.
4M rebuy.
Edit: And with the FAS, the firepower and maneuverability is great, but the shields are worthless so you're going to be hull tanking a lot, and holy shit the hardpoint placement is awful. Having the two large hardpoints in the middle of the ship but split top and bottom means it's very difficult to line both up at the same time. What I've found works best is having lasers in the belly and projectiles on top, so you can keep your nose mostly on target (or a little above) and the top mount can still lead the target. I'd much rather have two lasers in the large slots, but that just doesn't work all that well. Why couldn't the large mounts have been on the sides or nearer the nose?
I have lasers in the top and shotguns in the bottom. Once the shields are down I would do strafing runs on the ships swooping down up close and blasting them. I haven't tried since the newest udpate so that might not be feasible with the added maneuverability of npcs.
Anton Sugar
Member
Did they give npcs the ability to turn off FA? Maybe just in their turns.
Got 30 million with CG event. Waiting for expansion to hit on X1 to spend it. How much are SRVs? And what type of ship can land on planets? Is it any as long as they have the right module? Sorry for the silly questions.
No silly questions there if you've never tried it or didn't follow Horizons' development.
Any ship can land on planets. They require a "planetary landing suite", which receives a dedicated slot in the equipment screen. If you're Horizons owner, iirc your ships are automatically equipped with it?
In order to carry an SRV, you need an SRV hangar. The SRV itself is dirt cheap (less than 5k credits iirc) and can be outfitted to the hangar in the restock screen, like you would buy munitions/chaff/heatsinks.
Reckheim
Member
Tried doing that as well but couldn't do it, I've stuck to mouse and keyboard. Is there a reason you're going to a controller?
Future Vive usage
My setup is not covering my PC desk and I would need wireless KB+M but I don't have that. So I thought switching to controller might work out better.
Reckheim
Member
Future Vive usage
My setup is not covering my PC desk and I would need wireless KB+M but I don't have that. So I thought switching to controller might work out better.
Agh yeh, had a few friends that learned how to play it with a controller first and they actually prefer it that way. I'm sure it will just take some serious getting used to.
I was able to cash in this morning. But it was kind of buggy when I did it. The mission board didn't load at first. Had to come back to it and I loaded fine.
David Incorporated Esq.
Member
M+KB is great for dogfighting (very precise) but veeeery difficult when maneuvering with FA off. If you use relative mouse position, though, FA off flight becomes very easy and a lot of fun, but relative mouse position sucks for FA on and supercruise. I wish there were a way to make it switch relative on/off when going FA on/off.
I never understood FA. Is there something that explains it? I guess I don't know why or when to turn FA off.
I play controller sometimes and HOTAS most other times.
Is there any option or config line I can change to get rid of the blurriness? It looks really good at close range (especially on the ground) but further out it blurs like crazy.
It looked more like this before engineers
Force the Anisotropic Filtering through the driver
Flight assist basically simulates atmospheric flight. It tries to make the ship fly in the direction it's pointing and it makes sure the ship stops pitching/rolling/yawing when you let go of the stick.
If you turn it off, the ship will keep moving and rotating unless you thrust in the opposite direction. This way you can fly towards one direction, while the ship is pointing in another direction. It's really satisfying once you get the hang of it.
Caesar III
Member
David Incorporated Esq.
Member
So I used my baller CG money (almost 20M!) to finally upgrade to a Python from my FAS. It's sure as shit not A rated, but even with lower end equipment the extra large hardpoint is a real pleasure to have, especially with the much improved hardpoint placement. Sure it's nowhere near as maneuverable as the FAS, but already I've had more success with the Python due to the stronger shields and hardpoint placement allowing good use of medium turrets for ships I can't keep my nose on.
Plus two multicannons on the roof is plain fun. Smaller ships melt while I make machine-gun noises, it's great.
Finally there's a lot more general usability with the Python. The FAS is too combat focused and suffers for it in interior space, the Python's much more capable as an all-rounder.
Turning FA off allows for some more complicated maneuvers which are hugely helpful for dogfighting in larger ships. For instance, you can boost, turn FA off and flip over without changing your ship's direction to get your nose on a smaller ship while opening the range, leaving them exposed to your gunfire for longer. It also allows for more erratic movements in combat, but it takes a lot of practice (a lot) to get good enough with it to stay on target.
Beyond that it's fun to float around and control your ship's momentum manually.
Edit: FA off combat in CQC, don't watch if you get seasick easily: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdOnDq2OHAk
Plus two multicannons on the roof is plain fun. Smaller ships melt while I make machine-gun noises, it's great.
Finally there's a lot more general usability with the Python. The FAS is too combat focused and suffers for it in interior space, the Python's much more capable as an all-rounder.
Turning FA off allows for some more complicated maneuvers which are hugely helpful for dogfighting in larger ships. For instance, you can boost, turn FA off and flip over without changing your ship's direction to get your nose on a smaller ship while opening the range, leaving them exposed to your gunfire for longer. It also allows for more erratic movements in combat, but it takes a lot of practice (a lot) to get good enough with it to stay on target.
Beyond that it's fun to float around and control your ship's momentum manually.
Edit: FA off combat in CQC, don't watch if you get seasick easily: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdOnDq2OHAk