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4) What are your goals for Day 1?/What do you plan on doing day 1?

Posting pictures of my bunnies and making shit up as I go.

Would I be correct in interpreting this, and other answers like it, as meaning:
"I'll wait and see how the day and see if anything notable comes up"?
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Not really, wouldn't be that telling because of how often it happens.

Thinking of a specific example from GAFIA 2. Gryvan got lynched for being "too defensive". Not much else had been going on that day 1. Come day 2, people got on Fireblend's case about being aggressive and pouncing on Gryvan, while a bunch of other people hadn't done crap.

But because so many people were "complacent", you couldn't well attack them either, it was too large of a group.

But that relates to what I said earlier. I'm interested in one thing alone: what do you plan on doing day 1? If it's: "wait back and see other people post so I can analyze", then whatever, I'm just interested in an answer, and made a mistake earlier in arguing against a strawman of what I thought your answer would be

people always lynch for dumb reasons on D1

i'm probably doing it now

but my posts will still be there on D2, whether i'm there or not
 
people always lynch for dumb reasons on D1

i'm probably doing it now

but my posts will still be there on D2, whether i'm there or not

Stackpoleh said it best, if we can just dismiss the day 1 lynch as stupid, what's the point to it?

Wouldn't it be more useful to actually try, and give legitimate reason to why we're voting the way we are on day 1, such that even if alot of it is unsubstantiated, we have something legitimate to look at day 2
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Stackpoleh said it best, if we can just dismiss the day 1 lynch as stupid, what's the point to it?

Wouldn't it be more useful to actually try, and give legitimate reason to why we're voting the way we are on day 1, such that even if alot of it is unsubstantiated, we have something legitimate to look at day 2

the lynch itself is dumb

not what happens up to that point
 
hype r. activity there are 21 other players in this game, you know

You're obviously awake, are an immediate target, I'm making headway on you, etc.

I'm really just asking for 1 sentence in which you describe what you plan on doing today, and am confused as to why you keep dodgin that specific question
 
the lynch itself is dumb

not what happens up to that point

In that case, why doesn't everyone just np lynch at the very end of the day. Does this mean you yourself will abstain from voting at the end? What would what happens up to that point matter, if the lynch is dumb, and therefore the reasoning behind it can either be waved off as just being from day 1, or someone trying to grasp at straws?
 

Ourobolus

Banned
You're obviously awake, are an immediate target, I'm making headway on you, etc.

I'm really just asking for 1 sentence in which you describe what you plan on doing today, and am confused as to why you keep dodgin that specific question

no

In that case, why doesn't everyone just np lynch at the very end of the day. Does this mean you yourself will abstain from voting at the end? What would what happens up to that point matter, if the lynch is dumb, and therefore the reasoning behind it can either be waved off as just being from day 1, or someone trying to grasp at straws?

i am already voting for someone

and the lynch is dumb, yes, but you can't get the full picture of what happened without the flip

no lynch is stupid since you miss out on that key piece of info

i feel like you know this
 

*Splinter

Member
As much as I'm enjoying Hyperbolus, I do want some more people to speak up. Plenty of Europeans in this game so I'm not sure why it's so quiet.

Nin made a post to say he's here and nothing since, any thoughts to share? You've made a point about your "play styles" in the past so I've been interested in your answers to Hyper's questionnaire.

Kyanrute, it's primetime for shitposting, where are you?

And the false Hope leader himself is still yet to check in.
 
HEY CRAB, WHERE ARE YOU? DID YOU GET BANNED AGAIN? GET IN HERE!

VOTE:Crab


I give up, this is useless

i am already voting for someone

and the lynch is dumb, yes, but you can't get the full picture of what happened without the flip

no lynch is stupid since you miss out on that key piece of info

i feel like you know this

I'm trying to get from you what you plan on doing today. You're going to be going for a lynch, and you think that lynch gives you information to work with day 2. The lynch target doesn't seem to matter so much as to only give you the rest of the information for day 2.

I have an idea of your view on voting. But I'm missing how you'll act to achieve your goal of getting a lynch, voting data, etc. to look at from people. Given your refusal to answer, I'm assuming you either

A. Don't like me steering the conversation, and so won't let me just move player to player and ask them these questions

B. Want to keep it secret, and believe your method somehow loses effectiveness when it is publicly outlined

C. You're making this up as you're going, tied into A.

In any case, I'd like answers to those questions, but I believe our conversation at least gives us something on you for tomorrow, plus the conversation as a whole is stalling around this, sooooo......

Anyways, onto next target

In all seriousness, good opening posts and thanks for the advice and stuff. I haven't played any Mafia before but since signing up for this I've made my way through some of the older threads and think I have an OK grasp of the game, even if playing it is very different to reading it I'm sure.

I don't really know my playstyle because of this, but I imagine due to my personality I will probably be more reactive than proactive, although I will try and contribute to the discussion as much as possible.

As for goals on Day 1, I'm in favour of a lynch as it gives us more information. Really I'm hoping we can all just have a constant dialogue and feel each-other out. Town's strength is in communication and with us having no other information to go on right now the only way we'll learn anything is by talking to each-other. In this way, this questionnaire is pretty useful, I saw Danny Phantom Gafia had something similar.

You seem to be online right now.

First of all, welcome to GAFIA. We're not all as spammy as me, so don't be too worried. Is there anything specific you would do to try, or want to do, to achieve that constant dialogue throughout the day. Where do you see yourself in getting to that.

I had the same thought process lol. AbsolutBro's did come off as more attempting to be helpful rather than actually being helpful to me though.

Why do you think this? What about his post was more of an attempt to be helpful? Was there anything that looked "fake" to you? Does it make your read on him lean scum, or is that still neutral?

No editing was honestly the thing I was most anxious about before starting. I have a bad habit of posting badly-worded garbage and then editing it into something more acceptable afterwards.

It's ok, because GAFIA lets you quintuple and more post, which is 100x better than that dumb thing called editing

Hyper, just want to remind you that this was in your first post. Maybe take your own advice!

I thought it was a little strange you didn't lead by example by answering your questions the first time tbh, good to see you answering them now.

Sorry about that, I realize what walls of text are like. Didn't lead by example because I honestly was at first planning to use those questions on Wherearemahdragonz and then repeat per person, stupidly didn't realize it could be used as a general questionnare
 
I initially thought that Hyperactivity was thrusting Wherearemahdragonz into the limelight and specifically asking those starting questions of her, but other people have replied to them so...

1) What teams have you played for before? Which game(s)?

Good team for 2 games... first mafia game, Animal Crossing.

In the first game, I was a regular townie.

In the Animal Crossing game, I was.. a Light Sleeper.

2) Did you come into that game with a plan, idea? Were you planning to act a specific way for it/play to a specific playstyle?

Tried dropping hints in the Animal Crossing game, as I had a power role, especially about the 'range' of neighbours we could affect.

3) How would you describe your playstyle? If you think it has recently changed, in what way?

I'm normally fairly quiet which has annoyed people in the past, so I'm going to try be a bit more vocal!

4) What are your goals for Day 1?/What do you plan on doing day 1?

Normally I'm against Day 1 lynch, and that's what my instinct goes to, but like with being more vocal, it's to try find a day 1 lynch I agree with?
 

Ourobolus

Banned
god fucking danbury, hyper

if you must know

[REDACTED]

and then after the goat leaves the room i

[REDACTED]

and then we lynch scum

it makes perfect sense, trust me
 

Catvoca

Banned
Why do you think this? What about his post was more of an attempt to be helpful? Was there anything that looked "fake" to you? Does it make your read on him lean scum, or is that still neutral?

I just thought his post was pretty light on info. Like it only explained two terms when there are many others he could explain, and those terms he did explain are pretty easy to understand in context. It doesn't matter now though, since I posted that before I knew that he opened every Mafia game with it, so it's most likely meaningless.

As for your other questions, I feel like I've given you enough information about me for now. I get what your doing but I think you're trying a little hard trying too get information from people right now in a way that I don't quite trust.

Didn't lead by example because I honestly was at first planning to use those questions on Wherearemahdragonz and then repeat per person, stupidly didn't realize it could be used as a general questionnare

Ok, that makes sense.
 

*Splinter

Member
I just thought his post was pretty light on info. Like it only explained two terms when there are many others he could explain, and those terms he did explain are pretty easy to understand in context. It doesn't matter now though, since I posted that before I knew that he opened every Mafia game with it, so it's most likely meaningless.

As for your other questions, I feel like I've given you enough information about me for now. I get what your doing but I think you're trying a little hard trying too get information from people right now in a way that I don't quite trust.



Ok, that makes sense.
Regardless of his own motivations, more of your thoughts is always a good thing.

Well, almost always.
 

Catvoca

Banned
Regardless of his own motivations, more of your thoughts is always a good thing.

Well, almost always.

Sure, of course. I'll share my thoughts on things has they happen, and as you can see, I'm trying to be active and facilitate conversation. At the same time, hyper seems to want to know what everyones game plan is in a way that could benefit scum as much as town.
 

Kyanrute

Member
As much as I'm enjoying Hyperbolus, I do want some more people to speak up. Plenty of Europeans in this game so I'm not sure why it's so quiet.

Nin made a post to say he's here and nothing since, any thoughts to share? You've made a point about your "play styles" in the past so I've been interested in your answers to Hyper's questionnaire.

Kyanrute, it's primetime for shitposting, where are you?


And the false Hope leader himself is still yet to check in.

hallooo. i have now aquired an access point to the internet and will commence in actual meaningful discussion right after this shitpost.
 

Kyanrute

Member
No lynch is a nono. The benificial cases on day one are really few in number and I think all of them would involve some pr shenanigans and that then would mean that a pr would have to reveal themselves. So nono, unless someone just happens to have a tailor-made role just for this specific reason.

Kitty gives me flashbacks of himself. Hyper is hyper and he has a reason for it, could go either way.

1) Boat and Gods, scum in both.
2) No specific plans, the possible time for those is when we have some more information. There is no foundation for anything on day one I feel. The idea was to be me.
3 )My playstyle in the past has been somewhat passive and reactionary, at least partially thanks to my faction rolls. No recent changes, yet. I had an idea to fish for reactions via silly comments and questions, but I don’t think that actually works on day one since we know nothing.
4) Le goal would be to get a scum > neutral > ordinary > town pr. In general, I think my actions on day one have little to no effect to my goal. But still, might as well try.
 

batsnacks

Member
I'm gonna post my plan today since people seem to be doing that and I don't wanna be left out of planning.

I'm going to vote today, talk to various people that are in the thread when I am, and then towards the end of the day I'm going to consolidate my vote on whichever lynchable person I think is scummiest. I will refresh this thread over 1000 times in the last 10 minutes of the day as people switch their votes around in a wild panic.

If you don't have a plan you can copy mine if you want. This is a good plan because town will have information that will lead to solving the game once there are flips (dead people).
 

*Splinter

Member
I'm not sure how these plan discussions actually help us. It's basically a "how to play Mafia" and could be just as easily be answered by town, scum, neutral, mod, spectator, innocent bystander or your mum.

So Hyper, you were drilling Ouro pretty hard for something back there, but what exactly where you hoping to get out of him? What answer would have satisfied you in that conversation?
 

*Splinter

Member
Sure, of course. I'll share my thoughts on things has they happen, and as you can see, I'm trying to be active and facilitate conversation. At the same time, hyper seems to want to know what everyones game plan is in a way that could benefit scum as much as town.
Well, fair enough, you've certainly be contributing, but could you elaborate on where you think Hyper is pushing for dangerous info? It looks like the question you refused to answer is whether you lean town or scum on AbsoluteBro - why are you unwilling to provide this info? How do you think it could benefit scum?
 

Kyanrute

Member
I'm not sure how these plan discussions actually help us. It's basically a "how to play Mafia" and could be just as easily be answered by town, scum, neutral, mod, spectator, innocent bystander or your mum.

So Hyper, you were drilling Ouro pretty hard for something back there, but what exactly where you hoping to get out of him? What answer would have satisfied you in that conversation?

I don't think they help us right now, or I am not just seeing it. There is a chance though that something becomes relevant in the future. Perhaps someone acts differently from what they said on day one. At that point we question them and if their explanation is dumdum enough, we lynch them and they are revealed as a baddie who contradicted themselves. A long shot, but such is day one. Better than nothing.
 
If I had to choose a person to hop on the train of very early suspicion, I'd have picked Wherearemahdragonz just because she said that she hopes to get an understanding of everyone's analytical voting style now. I think you won't really get much of a feel for that this early, but it sure nice!

Except Hypers original vote was on her, plus it's her first game, so it could just be wanting to not seem like a load early on until she warms up to things.

TheExodu5's initial post to hyper was nice and wholesale, and early too! Very obedient to the post full of nothing. Sounds like a good place to start for me.

Vote: TheExodu5
 

Catvoca

Banned
Well, fair enough, you've certainly be contributing, but could you elaborate on where you think Hyper is pushing for dangerous info? It looks like the question you refused to answer is whether you lean town or scum on AbsoluteBro - why are you unwilling to provide this info? How do you think it could benefit scum?

No, I answered that question I thought. I'm neutral on him, my first post on him was crap because I didn't now he always opens games like that so I don't know anything about AbsoluteBro. Hyper wanted me to elaborate on my first post where I said I thought communication was the most important thing for town on Day 1. It was a pretty innocuous question from Hyper honestly, but I felt like I'd given enough information on that topic and as hyper has drilled me and others for more info I've started to trust him less and less. I feel like Hyper wanting this much info. from other players about their plans and play-style in general could help scum as much as town as it would give them info on important players to lynch, be it because they are strong players or are a PR.
I was also just feeling a bit too lazy to answer it :D
.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
I'm gonna post my plan today since people seem to be doing that and I don't wanna be left out of planning.

I'm going to vote today, talk to various people that are in the thread when I am, and then towards the end of the day I'm going to consolidate my vote on whichever lynchable person I think is scummiest. I will refresh this thread over 1000 times in the last 10 minutes of the day as people switch their votes around in a wild panic.

If you don't have a plan you can copy mine if you want. This is a good plan because town will have information that will lead to solving the game once there are flips (dead people).
this is like so new wave
 

batsnacks

Member
I posted my plan because I just felt like posting also because people seem to have plans that are different than mine. Not saying there's only 1 way to play but like you can't win a game of golf if you refuse to swing (lynch).

Yeah that's a great metaphor I'm happy I went with that.
 

*Splinter

Member
Well not gonna lie, I find admitting to laziness to be townie as fuck.

One day that will trip me up, but hopefully today is not that day.


Also Barry this is Dragonz second game
 
I'm gonna post my plan today since people seem to be doing that and I don't wanna be left out of planning.

I'm going to vote today, talk to various people that are in the thread when I am, and then towards the end of the day I'm going to consolidate my vote on whichever lynchable person I think is scummiest. I will refresh this thread over 1000 times in the last 10 minutes of the day as people switch their votes around in a wild panic.

If you don't have a plan you can copy mine if you want. This is a good plan because town will have information that will lead to solving the game once there are flips (dead people).

But here's a question. Will you put yourself out there such that we have enough to decide if you might be the scummiest person here?

I'm not sure how these plan discussions actually help us. It's basically a "how to play Mafia" and could be just as easily be answered by town, scum, neutral, mod, spectator, innocent bystander or your mum.

So Hyper, you were drilling Ouro pretty hard for something back there, but what exactly where you hoping to get out of him? What answer would have satisfied you in that conversation?

I was trying to get a description of what he was planning to do, as well as just get him to post more, force him into the open, because his initial post seemed like he wanted to just spend day 1 in the background, not posting much substance

So, even though I didn't get a straight answer, I think I partially succeeded there. Ouro's responses to my questions will be nice to look at later.

If I had to choose a person to hop on the train of very early suspicion, I'd have picked Wherearemahdragonz just because she said that she hopes to get an understanding of everyone's analytical voting style now. I think you won't really get much of a feel for that this early, but it sure nice!

Except Hypers original vote was on her, plus it's her first game, so it could just be wanting to not seem like a load early on until she warms up to things.

TheExodu5's initial post to hyper was nice and wholesale, and early too! Very obedient to the post full of nothing. Sounds like a good place to start for me.

Vote: TheExodu5

Second game.

Just want to ask, what are you attempting to get out of TheExodu5? Do you want him to post more substance, or do you legitimately think he might be scum here, and that's why you're voting for him.
 
Well not gonna lie, I find admitting to laziness to be townie as fuck.

One day that will trip me up, but hopefully today is not that day.


Also Barry this is Dragonz second game

A friendly reminder that I was pretty lazy in Danganronpa Mafia, but in the end...

Gundam-Tanaka-super-dangan-ronpa-2-37362302-600-379.jpg


(I was mafia)

Although I did wind up replacing because I felt like I was a burden to the team, so take that with a grain of salt.

As for Dragonz...hmm. I must have misread. Hyper actually just says that he's never been in a game with her, not that it's her first game.

There's still the thing about her making her post with an early vote on her back...but it's day 1, she probably won't die from that sort of thing so the actual pressure is low (though her perceived pressure might have been high).

VOTE: Wherearemahdragonz
 

Kawl_USC

Member
A friendly reminder that I was pretty lazy in Danganronpa Mafia, but in the end...

Gundam-Tanaka-super-dangan-ronpa-2-37362302-600-379.jpg


(I was mafia)

Although I did wind up replacing because I felt like I was a burden to the team, so take that with a grain of salt.

As for Dragonz...hmm. I must have misread. Hyper actually just says that he's never been in a game with her, not that it's her first game.

There's still the thing about her making her post with an early vote on her back...but it's day 1, she probably won't die from that sort of thing so the actual pressure is low (though her perceived pressure might have been high).

VOTE: Wherearemahdragonz
Make sure you put any additional tags outside of the highlight tag please people. This messes with the vote tool.
 
I was trying to get a description of what he was planning to do, as well as just get him to post more, force him into the open, because his initial post seemed like he wanted to just spend day 1 in the background, not posting much substance

So, even though I didn't get a straight answer, I think I partially succeeded there. Ouro's responses to my questions will be nice to look at later.

Want to better clarify.

I essentially want to get responses out of the people right now, and I think what I'm doing right now is a good preliminary way to do so.

No lynch is a nono. The benificial cases on day one are really few in number and I think all of them would involve some pr shenanigans and that then would mean that a pr would have to reveal themselves. So nono, unless someone just happens to have a tailor-made role just for this specific reason.

Kitty gives me flashbacks of himself. Hyper is hyper and he has a reason for it, could go either way.

1) Boat and Gods, scum in both.
2) No specific plans, the possible time for those is when we have some more information. There is no foundation for anything on day one I feel. The idea was to be me.
3 )My playstyle in the past has been somewhat passive and reactionary, at least partially thanks to my faction rolls. No recent changes, yet. I had an idea to fish for reactions via silly comments and questions, but I don’t think that actually works on day one since we know nothing.
4) Le goal would be to get a scum > neutral > ordinary > town pr. In general, I think my actions on day one have little to no effect to my goal. But still, might as well try.

Ok, given that you think your actions will have little to no effect, but you still will try, in what way will you at least attempt to act to achieve said goal? What are you looking out for this day?

And do you mean by your kitty and hyper comments?
 
Just want to ask, what are you attempting to get out of TheExodu5? Do you want him to post more substance, or do you legitimately think he might be scum here, and that's why you're voting for him.

Actually Barry, I wouldn't mind hearing your answer to this to.

Why did you vote for Hyper's scum teammate?
 

Kyanrute

Member
Want to better clarify.

I essentially want to get responses out of the people right now, and I think what I'm doing right now is a good preliminary way to do so.

Ok, given that you think your actions will have little to no effect, but you still will try, in what way will you at least attempt to act to achieve said goal? What are you looking out for this day?

And do you mean by your kitty and hyper comments?

By posting, engaging in the grand conversation. I am looking for contradictions and for weird and stupid things. I put bit more faith into the conversations granting something though (but still, not expecting much). Kitty seems consistent with himself, or at least with what I have previously seen of him. You on the other hand differ completely of my image of you, but you offer a perfectly valid reason for this.

oh god i am now justifying my reads with fucking meta reasons. stare into abyss and all that.
 
Second game.

Just want to ask, what are you attempting to get out of TheExodu5? Do you want him to post more substance, or do you legitimately think he might be scum here, and that's why you're voting for him.

Actually Barry, I wouldn't mind hearing your answer to this to.

Why did you vote for Hyper's scum teammate?

I figured that a nice wholesale response to these questions that, to me, ultimately give you nothing of real substance is likely to be the way at least one mafia member handles Hypers questioning. It looks helpful and diligent but you won't actually get real info out of it. Kind of like people that were early suspicious on AbsolutBro for posting a newb card. The Exodu5 and Dragonz were the first people I noted that answered in this way.

I had mistaken Dragonz being in a first game so I figured that first game + first vote led to answering the questions in a way I found too "helpful" (ie the bit in question 4 about wanting to analyze posting patterns from all the little banter and whole lot of nothing you can get on day 1 before the pacing starts to solidify with deaths and role reveals). When I realized that it was actually her second game, I gave her less leeway and voted for her.

The Exodu5 was the same sort of post to me, but it triggered my alarm less so once I had less reasoning in my mind for Dragonz to have excuses, I took my vote off of Exodu5.
 

*Splinter

Member
A friendly reminder that I was pretty lazy in Danganronpa Mafia, but in the end...

Gundam-Tanaka-super-dangan-ronpa-2-37362302-600-379.jpg


(I was mafia)

Although I did wind up replacing because I felt like I was a burden to the team, so take that with a grain of salt.

As for Dragonz...hmm. I must have misread. Hyper actually just says that he's never been in a game with her, not that it's her first game.

There's still the thing about her making her post with an early vote on her back...but it's day 1, she probably won't die from that sort of thing so the actual pressure is low (though her perceived pressure might have been high).

VOTE: Wherearemahdragonz
Lazy? You told us you where busy >:mad:

Joking aside, I was talking about claiming to be lazy, not actually being lazy.

It's wifom of course, but if scum are caught not answering a question I expect excuses or and maybe a late answer. By the same logic that Hyper could be scum trying to appear helpful, Cat seemed to be less concerned with appearing helpful.

(But Splinter, what if that's what they want you to think?)

That said, anyone who thinks they can use this for a free pass is going to be very disappointed.
 
I WAS busy! My definition of lazy here was more that they were significantly less posts coming out of me compared to the par.

...I feel like an evil past life version of me is getting dirty glares from you for some reason...

I do see what you mean about CLAIMING to be lazy though vs. claiming to be busy (regardless of which is actually true). Although I don't see me ever placing personal weight on that sort of line of thought.
 

batsnacks

Member
so why is batsnacks' vote still on MattyG yet he hasn't mentioned him since his vote soon after the game started
It will be helpful later if MattyG flips mafia. It's small but it's better than the nothing I'd be accomplishing by not voting on a hunch this early. This is just sort of how I play.
 
Lazy? You told us you where busy >:mad:

Joking aside, I was talking about claiming to be lazy, not actually being lazy.

It's wifom of course, but if scum are caught not answering a question I expect excuses or and maybe a late answer. By the same logic that Hyper could be scum trying to appear helpful, Cat seemed to be less concerned with appearing helpful.

(But Splinter, what if that's what they want you to think?)

That said, anyone who thinks they can use this for a free pass is going to be very disappointed.


What about work? ;_;
 
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