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[Hilarion]

Just saying...last gen Nintendo put out three of the biggest new IPs ever: Wii Sports, Nintendogs, and Brain Age. People were all "what's this shit? Give us more Mario, Zelda, and Metroid!" This gen Nintendo has restricted its focus a lot more to providing core Nintendo experiences on its console and people are all "Nintendo just makes the same shit over and over again? Where's the new IP?" (Barring Splatoon, of course)

I'm kind of amazed that they haven't just said "screw you guys" and switched focus to making mobile Free to Play Brain Age by now.

 

[HeartlessNobody213]

If they are trying to catch lightning in a bottle again, I can't say I really blame them if I'm being honest.

I've never been one to be on the Nintendo is doomed train but unless the NX has some sort of gimmick to make it stand out and attract a large casual audience, I don't see it doing that much better than the Wii U sales wise, even if it has a standard controller and decent third party support.

 

[Father_Brain]

It is worth noting that "family" is not interchangeable with "casual." This market is not being catered to on higher-end consoles and neither Sony nor Microsoft seem to have much of an interest in cultivating it.

It could just as easily mean things like Rayman Legends rather than Carnival Games.

This is true as well, at least in theory.

However, outside the Lego and Skylanders franchises, third parties these days don't have much interest in pursuing that audience on consoles, and I don't see NX changing that.

 

[Rncewind]

The assumption that Nintendo can suddenly compete with MS and Sony because they have a Xbox One equivalent powered box isn't something I can follow you on. "Competitive graphics" and the same 3rd party support isn't going to sell those boxes. By the end of next year, we'll have Scorpio and Neo, and what was once seen as competitive is going to shift back again, and you'd be play inferior versions of third party titles on that box. That isn't going to just bring the "core" back. They've spent two generations outside of that fight, and I don't see them getting back into it now just by seeking parity.

Now, if you want to say that the audience or sector of the market that Nintendo would theoretically be going after doesn't exist, maybe that is the case. But I also don't think the Wii U was an attractive option for the Wii crowd. If that market doesn't exist anymore, the Wii U didn't prove that; it only proved that Nintendo's marketing was abysmal and their Wii U system design was behind the times.

We don't have any idea what the NX is and I don't know what their overall approach will be, but I cannot fathom why anyone would think a powerful box would be enough to solve Nintendo's problems.

Also something i found which many dont consider.


As we can see on Wii U Nintendo obviously is "stuck in time" because they dont go HD in 2005-06 like Microsoft and SOny back then. Because of that they struggle with these game because there devs and teams are not suited for that.

I mean theoretically they can release next year something on the level of scorpio. But who is gonna use that graphic power? Its not like you have a more powerfull console and the assets and textures gonna look super by default lol.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

This is true as well, at least in theory.

However, outside the Lego and Skylanders franchises, third parties these days don't have much interest in pursuing that audience on consoles, and I don't see NX changing that.

Sure, I am not saying it will be successful. I am saying it is open to interpretation.

 

[Rncewind]

Just saying...last gen Nintendo put out three of the biggest new IPs ever: Wii Sports, Nintendogs, and Brain Age. People were all "what's this shit? Give us more Mario, Zelda, and Metroid!" This gen Nintendo has restricted its focus a lot more to providing core Nintendo experiences on its console and people are all "Nintendo just makes the same shit over and over again? Where's the new IP?" (Barring Splatoon, of course)

I'm kind of amazed that they haven't just said "screw you guys" and switched focus to making mobile Free to Play Brain Age by now.

well i dont know about your wii u but my has neither zelda, metroid nor a open world 3d mario like sunshine D:

 

[geordiemp]

Hmm... A "lapsed Wii player" to me is someone who enjoyed motion control. But the new Zelda seems to imply that the NX will have traditional controls. Guess we will see.

Nintendo imaging of Kinect with pro controller, lets dance OR its a hybrid and you dance with it, Strictly come dancing with NX !

I for one thought the Wiimote had potential, if they could of made it absolute somehow with the TV (instead of mouse type relative)....

I always had the idea of 2 led strips along 2 sides of your TV for perfect calibration.

 

[DeuceGamer]

Not going to get concerned until I hear this from Nintendo. That said, looking at the comments in this thread it shows the exact reason why Nintendo needs to end the silent treatment and start talking about the NX before the perception becomes reality.

 

[Donnie]

The developer of Just Dance doesn't mention graphics and focuses his comments on family oriented gaming? Wow that's telling. . hmm no it isn't.

 

[Rncewind]

The developer of Just Dance doesn't mention graphics and focuses his comments on family oriented gaming? Wow that's telling. . hmm no it isn't.

And the publisher who publish besides Just dance, ac, watch dogs and many other titles dont announce one for wii u besides just dance

hmmm, nope everything is finde

 

[Zaventem]

Or they learned that all those other game's ( besides maybe Steep) just won't sale on a Nintendo console.

They know that without trying?

 

[LordRaptor]

This is true as well, at least in theory.

However, outside the Lego and Skylanders franchises, third parties these days don't have much interest in pursuing that audience on consoles, and I don't see NX changing that.

Sony made a pretty big deal about Poochy The Bandicoot at their presser

e: although I'll concede Platform Owner != Third Party

 

[Rncewind]

They know that without trying?

he says they learned, so he obviously refering to wii u and other nintendo consoles

 

[Plinko]

Pointless making any judgments right now about the NX based on one quote.

Anyway, do you guys think NX will be Nintendo's last console hardware? Based on that quote I think Nintendo might go 3rd party when the machine flops.

They have enough cash to weather at least another console flop and maybe one after that, especially with them starting to release mobile games.

 

[therapist]

do not like the sounds of that

will wait and see though

 

[Stormhammer]

maybe it's because the 2nd screen is actually your smartphone :OOOOO

 

[Griss]

Assuming NX is multiple devices, and the library shared, pointer controls are dead.

I see your point but I'm not sure. Nintendo knows people love touch-screen gaming. Perhaps the handheld has a touch screen and pointer controls attempt to duplicate that gameplay on the TV screen.

Makes more sense to capture the family audience than to just make a traditional gamepad control scheme.

 

[Mit-]

The NX gimmick has to be innovative enough to generate the viral buzz that the Wii once did, only it has to do so in 2017.

Wii was an extremely rare, massive innovation. You could explain it with one sentence to anyone in the world and have them interested. You can't repeat that every gaming generation. Nintendo probably won't be able to ever repeat that. Most companies will never create something so innovative.

However without that, they will not recapture that "family" audience they had for that generation. NX doesn't sound like another groundbreaking innovation, and if they are relying on whatever their new gimmick is to appeal to that market in order to succeed, they are going to crash and burn, again.

 

[Peterc]

Not sure what i've to think about that, nx was sure not for family purpose, thats what nintendo told us before. maybe wiiu would be once the nx is released.

Could be for ubisoft his game only

I think people would quickly believe those comments, but it seems at the moment,all comments not comming from nintendo self was wrong or didn't had any proof.
Even like 99% believed Emily, but even she was fake with her leaks about zelda.

 

[KurtSloane]

Willing to bet money this doesn't happen, recapture people who bought into a fad?

Dream on Ubisoft.

 

[Freezie KO]

I don't really care about power. I just want them to consolidate their handheld and console platforms.

They seem to be going in that direction, and it would preclude any wacky input methods. The games would have to play on a handheld as easily as they play at home.

 

[Omega Kirby]

So whats everybodys predicition on the price?

 

[Wagram]

Chasing the casual market is going to be a huge mistake for them.

 

[Gator86]

Pointless making any judgments right now about the NX based on one quote.

Anyway, do you guys think NX will be Nintendo's last console hardware? Based on that quote I think Nintendo might go 3rd party when the machine flops.

Like others have said, they run a tight ship and still have a lot of cash on hand. Unfortunately, the trend for Nintendo consoles is almost a perfect line straight into the ground. With one exception in the last 30 years, Nintendo consoles sell about 10-12m units fewer than their predecessors. Why would you bet against thst? I haven't heard anything to make me expect otherwise.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

RIP

 

[BRocknRolla]

So whats everybodys predicition on the price?

If they're going for the "family" market? $300 or less.

Then again, it's hard to know what kind of tech they would consider lumped in with the rest of the family market. If they consider iPads to be part of the family market, maybe they would go higher. I think that would be a really bad move, but I could see that sort of faulty logic occurring.

 

[Demon Lizardman]

Uh, you mean the audience that left for the Ps4, PC and Tablet gaming? I don't see them coming back at all.

 

[KingBroly]

I see your point but I'm not sure. Nintendo knows people love touch-screen gaming. Perhaps the handheld has a touch screen and pointer controls attempt to duplicate that gameplay on the TV screen.

Makes more sense to capture the family audience than to just make a traditional gamepad control scheme.

Zelda limiting the Gamepad seems to make it pretty clear that NX, at least, won't have a Gamepad controller. There is one thing, however, that makes me think scroll-wheel triggers will be a thing.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Pointless making any judgments right now about the NX based on one quote.

Anyway, do you guys think NX will be Nintendo's last console hardware? Based on that quote I think Nintendo might go 3rd party when the machine flops.

If this post is intentional, I applaud it.

 

[Gospel]

The Nintendo FamWii


Nintendo: "What you want?"

Fam: "Gimme dat controller with all the gimmicks."

Nintendo: "I got U Fam."

Haha

 

[Z3M0G]

This doesnt sound good....

Where's my VR out-of-the-box, BC with 3DS/DS/WiiU/Wii cartridge based NX?

The latest thing that MIGHT capture the minds of the wider public is VR... Nintendo would be smart to jump on that train and make experiences fun for all ages (that are old enough to play VR). But Sony may have beat them to the punch. Though Nintendo VR titles would likely have more "heart" and be more enjoyable than Sony games. Look at Wii Sports VS Sports Champions... even if Sports Champions came first, I doubt it would have the appeal that Wii Sports had to a wide audience.

 

[Rival]

If the definitive experiences on the NX require me to stand up and pretend to bowl or dance I'm going to be pissed.

 

[Pyrrhus]

What does it mean for semi-core/core gamers?

Start saving your cash for PS4k and Scorpio? I jest. In truth, we don't know enough to know what to make of this yet. It's not an encouraging thing to hear, but we need more information.

 

[Big Green Anus]

Hoping for a $149.99-$199.99 price point, which should be good for most people for a platform with potentially little Western third party support.

 

[stargateheaven]

Pointless making any judgments right now about the NX based on one quote.

Anyway, do you guys think NX will be Nintendo's last console hardware? Based on that quote I think Nintendo might go 3rd party when the machine flops.

3rd party nintendo would be the ultimate!!!

But no. I dont think that will happen. If anything they will go mobile.

Mario on ps4 would be a dream come true though. The one thing you can count on with nintendos own games is quality. Super talented developers who make games which i think deserve to be called "games"

 

[platina]

If true then i wish this console fails miserably. Nintendo you have not learned shit and the gamers will speak with their wallet. Release another shitty ass spec console with no third party support. Can't wait to laugh again, how the mighty have fallen.

 

[pvpness]

I'm super shocked that nintendo will continue on as they always have.

 

[Ansatz]

For me this quote means low end hardware and at best very little western AAA franchise support. In other words Nintendo won't invest and actively pursue the PS4/XBO multiplat gamer.

In terms of which innovations they are going for with NX, what kind of 1st party software they will make, etc. there is no way to tell.

 

[joecanada]

If the definitive experiences on the NX require me to stand up and pretend to bowl or dance I'm going to be pissed.

lol this reminded me of my friend "playing " wii baseball while sitting on his couch drinking a beer........ flick , flick , flick, home run every time.

 

[Father_Brain]

The NX gimmick has to be innovative enough to generate the viral buzz that the Wii once did, only it has to do so in 2017.

Wii was an extremely rare, massive innovation. You could explain it with one sentence to anyone in the world and have them interested. You can't repeat that every gaming generation. Nintendo probably won't be able to ever repeat that. Most companies will never create something so innovative.

However without that, they will not recapture that "family" audience they had for that generation. NX doesn't sound like another groundbreaking innovation, and if they are relying on whatever their new gimmick is to appeal to that market in order to succeed, they are going to crash and burn, again.

The crucial difference between now and 2006 is that mobile has lowered gaming's barrier to entry to a point where it can't be lowered any further. Unlike ten years ago, almost literally everyone with any interest in gaming, however simple or casual, now owns and regularly uses hardware that can play games.

Given that, can Nintendo really make $40-60 games on $200-300 hardware a more appealing proposition than free games on effectively free hardware?

 

[FiveMinuteHero]

What's the reason Nintendo don't go 3rd party? Pride? I mean, can you imagine their potential userbase if they released the new Zelda for PS4?

PS. I am not trolling

 

[spock]

I see it as Nintendo hopefully learning from their wii and wiiu experiences. Learn from what they did right and what they did wrong. For example, focusing on a control or interface that is more intuitive than the current standard game controller but also not making the assumption that because a tech already has widespread appeal that they can piggy back off of it instead of bringing something fresh. I get why people dont like Nintendo trying new control schemes, but personally I love that they are trying to create a new experience, especially a more intuitive one. I think current controllers are stale as fuck. Sure they work, but I see the existing control model as the primary bottleneck in creating more powerful experiences for the player (when strictly talking about what can be done with hardware).

 

[geordiemp]

Look at Wii Sports VS Sports Champions... even if Sports Champions came first, I doubt it would have the appeal that Wii Sports had to a wide audience.

I thought the tennis was good in wii sports and table tennis was good on champions, but Wii was first, but they were equal in my eyes.

The best experience I had on Wii was RE4, wii pointer worked BUT it was more like a relative mouse device, if they had an absolute pointer to screens gun games would have been so much better.

 

[HeartlessNobody213]

So whats everybodys predicition on the price?

I'm thinking $250 at most. Anything above that would be a major mistake, especially considering that the Xbox One and PS4 will most likely be $299 by the time the NX is released.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I expect the vast majority of the 'family market' has moved onto tablets and mobiles, and it will be extremely hard to recapture those consumers. I know a few people who bought a Wii (like my sister, for instance) who have zero interest in console gaming in any other form.

 

[Ansatz]

What's the reason Nintendo don't go 3rd party? Pride? I mean, can you imagine their potential userbase if they released the new Zelda for PS4?

PS. I am not trolling

Abandoning the home console market doesn't necessarily mean they will go 3rd party.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

Apparently the Nintendo I enjoy isn't the same Nintendo that the masses do. I adored the Wii U. Felt like a return to form after the waggle nonsense of the Wii. This Ubi comment has me worried...

 

[geordiemp]

Its telling that one of the first western publishers to talk about Nx is talking about a dance game.

They are going to have some crazy image recognition kinect thing going on I can feel it, but maybe cheaper.

 

[a916]

That's not a quote I wanted to hear... open to the idea, but going in with my guard up.

 

[FiveMinuteHero]

Abandoning the home console market doesn't necessarily mean they will go 3rd party.

What are the arguments against Nintendo's chance of success if they published their games on the (for example) PS4 and stopped making their own hardware?