Goldenmoney
Member
Does not surprise me in the slightest. Why wouldn't they try to recapture the glory days of the Wii? If they think they have something that will attract families again, then that it absolutely what they will try to do.
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Ubi: NX will "recapture lapsed Wii players," Nintendo "addressing the family market"
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Bring back the classics
Banned
I feel though that we are jumping the gun and Nintendo are actually going to show us a way of playing differently all again!
I believe in Kiminishua he has said it time and time again.
BBTC
I believe in Kiminishua he has said it time and time again.
BBTC
Ubisoft only has Just Dance announced for NX so far - obv. means thats all the system is getting. Same way Nintendo will only release Zelda BotW for NX and then be done with the system that isnt even officially unveiled yet.
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
If the core principles for systemically important functions of the NX are similar to that of Wii I'm not at the slightest worried. Wii was marketed as a system for everyone, and it received games in all sorts of genres - from child friendly party games to bombastic action titles; and the system was also blessed with some of the best games ever like Super Mario Galaxy, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword and Donkey Kong Country Returns, to name a few.
Of course, NX and Nintendo should not be custodians for a success based on only a wealth of games family friendly software, but instead be oriented towards stability in the short, medium and long term with focus on deepening and widening the amount of game genres presented. Furthermore, I deem it extremely important for Nintendo to envelop an ever closer union with both established and new third party publishers, and really use the competitive pressure from the others (Microsoft, Sony etc.). Adopting cutting-edge technologies (not necessarily in terms of raw power) and seeking non-fixed power parity with Project Scorpio and Neo. Preventive supervision to ensure that the hardware of NX would not result in severe restrictions in terms of portability and competition I believe is monumental. A level playing field for game development in the new generation should be a goal for Nintendo. Certainly should they be bringing unanticipated features and innovative services too, power parity alone I personally do not find enough.
More generally, we have not yet seen NX and I find that it is still premature, many options are still open, to cry doomsday based on Ubisoft's words. There may be many exogenous factors of influence here, and numerous solutions may exist. Intrinsically, I think Alain Corre's comments are slightly careless; this kind of communication should be left for Nintendo to distribute. As evidenced by this thread, it mainly creates turmoil.
Of course, NX and Nintendo should not be custodians for a success based on only a wealth of games family friendly software, but instead be oriented towards stability in the short, medium and long term with focus on deepening and widening the amount of game genres presented. Furthermore, I deem it extremely important for Nintendo to envelop an ever closer union with both established and new third party publishers, and really use the competitive pressure from the others (Microsoft, Sony etc.). Adopting cutting-edge technologies (not necessarily in terms of raw power) and seeking non-fixed power parity with Project Scorpio and Neo. Preventive supervision to ensure that the hardware of NX would not result in severe restrictions in terms of portability and competition I believe is monumental. A level playing field for game development in the new generation should be a goal for Nintendo. Certainly should they be bringing unanticipated features and innovative services too, power parity alone I personally do not find enough.
More generally, we have not yet seen NX and I find that it is still premature, many options are still open, to cry doomsday based on Ubisoft's words. There may be many exogenous factors of influence here, and numerous solutions may exist. Intrinsically, I think Alain Corre's comments are slightly careless; this kind of communication should be left for Nintendo to distribute. As evidenced by this thread, it mainly creates turmoil.
SliceSabre
Banned
My alarm bells have begun ringing.
This doesnt make even sense on sarcastic levels
OrbitalBeard
Member
Yeah, I think it's funny that there are actually people on GAF who think Nintendo wouldn't focus on the family market going forward. It is absolutely the best course for them.
"Family market" doesn't have to mean Wii Muisc or Wii Fit. I would absolutely consider a game like Breath of the Wild to be something that appeals to families.
Why should Nintendo have launched with hardcore games when their third-party partners already did that? Like, do you understand that a) there has to be a balance between core and casual games at every console launch and b) Nintendo happens to be talented at doing family friendly games?
Besides, Nintendo core games at launch would have eaten up sales from the other third party releases - do you think they would have been okay with launching their core games next to Nintendo core games?
And regarding their actual commitment for the core: there are dozens of 'core' games on Wii U available that you can read up on Wikipedia, both full retail games and eShop titles. There aren't many of them but that has more to do with the fact that the Wii U tanked and that they forced to shift their focus to other things.
The failure of the Wii U has nothing to do with their 'core market' marketing statement, it has to do with them launching a trash console, period. And yet they release a lot of core content, so that point of yours of "buhuu, they aren't caring enough for gamers like me" falls flat as well
And when you learn to properly paraphrase your posts and have some thematic order in them, I might respond to you in the future
This, this is the right thing.
People who say you shouldn't chase the Wii market, or lets be honest, the widest market, may not fully understand what it takes to sell a consumer product. Every company should aim for the widest market.
However no company should go in without several contingencies. It was clear with WiiU that a lot of the management at Nintendo went not thinking about what happens if it all goes wrong. What do we do. Its easy to think about what you do when you are successful.
Fortunately Kimishima has already said he was vocally skeptical of the WiiU and thought it would fail. It sounds like to me he is a cover your ass kind of guy. The, lets not launch a system without a clear path of software to incent people to buy our system.
So yeah they should have plans to grab the widest and most varied audience they can, but they better have plans if shit goes south fast.
dragonflys545
Member
LOL... Gotta get that Wii money back I guess hahaha, this sounds like a bad idea.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
But will it recapture third parties?
Father_Brain
Banned
Right, that's how Sony and MS did such a great job with core gamers - they just left it all to third parties. Sure.
Oh, whoops. Missed that. But I generally the secondary console idea isn't good as the market isn't THAT large, but perhaps that is all Nintendo can hope for at this point.
The only real information here is that Ubi is happy working with Nintendo and that they're going to support Nintendo.
Not exactly new information.
The whole NX info we have here is a whole lot of nothing.
They want lapsed Wii players? Well pretty much everyone want them anyway.
Maybe not Sony with their focus on gamers, but that clearly was the focus for Nintendo/MSFT this time around to disastrous results for both.
Nintendo is obviously going to try again because to them the lapsed Wii gamer is pretty much the new lapsed NES gamer so they'll try to get that.
It certainly doesn't mean they're going to push for shit like WiiMusic 2 or something.
We may get that but only because Miyamoto wants that to happen.
Not exactly new information.
The whole NX info we have here is a whole lot of nothing.
They want lapsed Wii players? Well pretty much everyone want them anyway.
Maybe not Sony with their focus on gamers, but that clearly was the focus for Nintendo/MSFT this time around to disastrous results for both.
Nintendo is obviously going to try again because to them the lapsed Wii gamer is pretty much the new lapsed NES gamer so they'll try to get that.
It certainly doesn't mean they're going to push for shit like WiiMusic 2 or something.
We may get that but only because Miyamoto wants that to happen.
Thats exactly what this thread is about though.
Family Wii-type System ? Urgh...thats why they only have Just Dance announced.
So, it IS a tablet!
No question. But can they bring them back? Odds are no.
Seriously.
It's not as if there isn't heaps of data to back this assertion up, by the way.
AstroNut325
Member
So the blue ocean strategy still persists.
I shall persist in not having interest.
I shall persist in not having interest.
Efren is G.O.A.T.
Member
What are you guys afraid of exactly?
Didn't talk about inventory selection. But there are gyro controls and a map on the GamePad for sure.
I tend towards the latter, but not for technical reasons.
maquiladora
Member
Hmmm. Lapsed Wii "family" players mostly moved on to smartphones and tablets.
Not sure I understand what this means.
Not sure I understand what this means.
Father_Brain
Banned
There's nothing wrong with it, but in the context of Just Dance being the only Ubi title announced for the platform, it suggests that there won't be any sea change in Nintendo's approach (or lack thereof) to AAA third-party support.
Which doesn't surprise me at all, but the Nintendo Corebox dream doesn't die easily.
Already Torn
Banned
Hmmm... what is the controller was a tablet?
Otakumegane
Member
-Cartridge based console
-Clickable scrolling triggers
That's all I want. It doesn't have to be a monster in power just let it do 1080p60fps easily.
-Clickable scrolling triggers
That's all I want. It doesn't have to be a monster in power just let it do 1080p60fps easily.
Did I write anywhere that the strategy paid off for Nintendo? Obviously not. You are comparing two different situations here, Sony played the entire industry like a fiddle because a) Nintendo and Microsoft fucked up hard and didn't leave much competition and b) Sony understands exactly what core gamers want, from how the hardware is supposed to be to the software lineup.
And please look up the first year of the PS4 and tell my why that console did sell despite Sony's first-party releasing shit on it
Captain Smoker
Member
It makes sense.
Pejo
Member
Waggle was last gen. The clues are all here.
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, or BoW for short.
BoW at the console to make Link swing the sword. All games on NX will respond to bows, curtsies, and kneeling confirmed. Devs are probably still deciding on shrugs, winks and smirks.
So Microsoft and Sony failed i guess because they got more Core Third Party Titles then Wii u and also their first party where still core title games? lol what an argument. Also yeah Nintendo is talented at that, so the commitmet to more core is still a lie.
Again, dont seems a problem for either Sony nor Microsoft. Not considering that 99 % percentage of that games were late ports that sold badly with or without core games from Nintendo it seems.
And again, i didnt write anywhere "lulz they are no core games on wiiu", i said they said pre launch they are now commited to the core, and nintendo didnt do anything in that regard and the launch combined with the games and the marketing where cleary directed at casuals, or you want deny that too?
This dont mean there are no core games on wiiu, especially from third party. They are there, like on wii. Look up at wiki, it has plenty of them.
And you need to read better, i didnt say one word about "failing wiiu" or "they dont cater to me". It was you who implied that we shouldnt listen to ubisoft and wait for Nintendo employees to speak up. Which is a nonsense argument and i brought that example of Nintendo always telling what they spin pr wise, like every other company. There are countless other examples too like nintendo stating there is no difference between HD and SD graphics back in the past.
But anyway feel free to wait for your nintendo overlords for the truth i guess
Gorilla Shark
Member
We're going to look back at this comment 2 years from now and realize it meant nothing.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Where in the world did you pull that out of???
While they won't have that, I'm still a believer they figured out a way to make android games run with ease on NX by using parts of the AOSP (or through a convertor/recompile). I still think that would be a super smart move of them. They would instantly get support from all mobile devs and get a lot of the apps.
No it doesnt.
He trys to be smart ass but totally get not the facts straight. Nintendo not even unveiled there Console, they talking about Zelda U NX because obviously it gonna get a nx version, the other game they are releasing not.
On the other hand a third party (which is again something totally different) says their XY game comes out on NX but no other.
Feel free to enlighten us why, because Nintendo NDAd them with except Just Dance? sure
JetSetRadio
Banned
A 249 gimmick, start guessing.
Ubi knows what's up obviously as they announced just dance.
Ubi knows what's up obviously as they announced just dance.
Father_Brain
Banned
Three reasons, none of which in any way apply to Nintendo: MS fucking up, Sony still had titles like Killzone, and they were building on three successive generations of success (albeit heavily qualified in PS3's case) in the core market.
PinkyMonkey
Banned
Pointless making any judgments right now about the NX based on one quote.
Anyway, do you guys think NX will be Nintendo's last console hardware? Based on that quote I think Nintendo might go 3rd party when the machine flops.
Anyway, do you guys think NX will be Nintendo's last console hardware? Based on that quote I think Nintendo might go 3rd party when the machine flops.
To be honest after the letdown that was Wii U they'll have to work extra hard to get me to buy another of their consoles, especially if I can just get the new Zelda on Wii U. If it really is aimed at the family market like the original Wii then I'm more than happy to skip on it.
But who am I kidding, as soon as a Monster Hunter or new Mario comes out I'll probably lap that shit up like I always do.
But who am I kidding, as soon as a Monster Hunter or new Mario comes out I'll probably lap that shit up like I always do.