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[Rncewind]

Thats exactly what this thread is about though.

Family Wii-type System ? Urgh...thats why they only have Just Dance announced.

You are free to tell us a other logical explanation. You dont stating any argument, just saying "lolol this is not true".

So why they are only announcing just dance. Because Ubi has a NDA and they can only talk about Just dance NX but not for honor nx? sure that make sense

 

[mcrommert]

Waggle was last gen. The clues are all here.

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, or BoW for short.

BoW at the console to make Link swing the sword. All games on NX will respond to bows, curtsies, and kneeling confirmed. Devs are probably still deciding on shrugs, winks and smirks.

It's as if the scales fell from my eyes and i saw for the first time

 

[Calm Mind]

Can you feel it?

This should be the start to every Nintendo related OP on NeoGAF from now on.

 

[Rncewind]

I tend towards the latter, but not for technical reasons.

Is it not worse when NX is a beefy console but third partys refuse to release anything on it? Would be funny tho

 

[E-phonk]

And please look up the first year of the PS4 and tell my why that console did sell despite Sony's first-party releasing shit on it

Part of the enthousiasm of PS4 was also because of how Sony treated their fans in the last years of PS3. By having great games come out so late in it's lifetime (while MS and Nintendo released almost no first party games) they got a lot of support and credibility, even from people who were previously on xbox.
They were already regarded highly even before they announced anything about ps4.

 

[Father_Brain]

Can you feel it?

Funny how that macro gets dragged out here but not in response to, say, an extremely vague report about "industry-leading chips."

 

[udivision]

Just dance being the only NX game announced during their E3 speaks more than any PR.

 

[FLAguy954]

Come on $199!

Yup, that shit better be cheap if they cheap out on the graphical tech.

 

[Rncewind]

Funny how that macro gets dragged out here but not in response to, say, an extremely vague report about "industry-leading chips."

dont forget the insiders post, but only when its positive.

 

[TheJoRu]

Can you feel it?

I feel it in my bones. GAF being embarrassing as usual when it comes to Nintendo.

Did you people think Nintendo would not want to cater to casual audiences, as they have since the dawn of time, and instead create hardware that targets a 18-34 male core audience that currently have PS4/XBO/PC covering their every need and that has never been of any use to Nintendo? Are you insane?

 

[thenewjeva]

Can't really say I'm surprised by this. Nintendo wants to go back to the days where they were making gangbusters in both hardware and software, and that era was the Wii and DS era. Therefore, they want to get the casual audience back.

For those saying they've now gone to mobile, if Nintendo can provide a unique and different experience, I can see that audience coming back. As long as it's not as complex and confusing as the Wii U Gamepad was, I think Nintendo might be able to create a niche for themselves. Let's just hope that their new feature is more interesting than the gamepad.

 

[LordBaztion]

That's the best for them. Now be cheap, have good games and be big in its specific market.

 

[Dennis]

Match MS and Sony on what? The PS4? The Neo? The Xbox One? The Scorpio?

Given the current tech arms race that MS and Sony are apparently about to engage in, why on earth would Nintendo want to get in the middle of that? For a company that's rarely ever been known for the power of its consoles, that seems like a complete losing proposition.

While it might not be what we want on a gaming forum, I can't blame them for wanting to carve out a totally different part of the market.

Doesn't matter which one. Just getting close enough for 3rd parties.

Why? Because the market you want Nintendo to chase is almost gone.

Getting close to parity while still have the Nintendo exclusives with competitive graphics will ensure much larger uptake than the lackluster Wii U. The core abandoned it, the casuals weren't interested.

Why do people want Nintendo to repeat the same mistake?

Are you trying to tank the stock or something?

 

[Rncewind]

I feel it in my bones. GAF being embarrassing as usual when it comes to Nintendo.

Did you people think Nintendo would not want to cater to casual audiences, as they have since the dawn of time, and instead create hardware that targets a 18-34 male core audience that currently have PS4/XBO/PC covering their every need and that has never been of any use to Nintendo? Are you insane?

Playstation 4 has more casul/family games then wiiu, and one of their launch games from first party studios was knack, clearly intended to be family friendly. No publisher said Sony is retrying to recapture the wii market or designing a specific family friendly console. So the statment from ubisoft indicates there is some special commitment which is worth mentioning.

There is a reason Wii is mentioned first until this day when people mention casul console and not the ps2, despite having more casul games on it and also stuff like singstar. Its the ratio and level of commitment.

 

[Mashing]

If this is true then Nintendo should just get out of the home console market. There is no market for the Wii crowd anymore.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Nintendo: If we want something hard enough it's sure to happen eventually!

The casual audience moved on, that's what they do, they're not coming back.

 

[Griss]

This is good news. Nintendo can't compete with high-end Sony and MS hardware. It's a different audience. It looks like they're going to laser-focus on the correct audience this time, rather than the mixed 'we can appeal to everybody!' approach with the Wii U that left them with nothing but their hardcore fans.

I hope pointer controls return. I fucking loved the Wiimote + nunchuck, so an advanced version of that would be great, and I still think it has some appeal to the casual market.

I just hope that they're able to get close to PS4 specs. That would be enough for me for now if the console is cheap.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

I don't like the sound of that at all. Hated the Wii. Love the Wii U. Just hope NX has traditional control for traditional games and leaves any motion stuff to games designed for it.

 

[Mithos]

Come on $199!

$199 ?

Well that depends on what an Xbox One / PS4 cost in March 2017, and how powerful the NX console is compared to them.

 

[oreomunsta]

Waggle stick confirmed

Nuhuh. You have to put the NX controller in your pockets and dance that way

 

[Rncewind]

This is good news. Nintendo can't compete with high-end Sony and MS hardware. It's a different audience. It looks like they're going to laser-focus on the correct audience this time, rather than the mixed 'we can appeal to everybody!' approach with the Wii U that left them with nothing but their hardcore fans.

I hope pointer controls return. I fucking loved the Wiimote + nunchuck, so an advanced version of that would be great, and I still think it has some appeal to the casual market.

I just hope that they're able to get close to PS4 specs. That would be enough for me for now if the console is cheap.

yeah i can still not belive they ditched motion controls and not evolved it, especially with vr now comming they would have such a advantage. Hope returns with NX

 

[Saven]

If this means the return of the wiimote/motion controls, then I'm happy that Nintendo made my decision to stick with the Wii U as far as choosing between which version of the new Zelda I'm going to buy.

 

[lwilliams3]

Just Dance is not graphically intensive at all, so the game can be on a console, portable, or even mobile. A recent Just Dance game was also recently shipped for the Wii U. Just Dance on the NX was a no-brainer, so it is reasonable that Nintendo didn't care that they announced it.

Rather this is the case or not, announcing a graphically intensive game would give more hints on what the NX is.

As for Ubisoft actually having dev-kits, it will be interesting to see if they can prevent leaks this time.

Funny how that macro gets dragged out here but not in response to, say, an extremely vague report about "industry-leading chips."

If I recall correctly, even the most optimistic posters were already very cautious about that statement due to what happen with the Wii U.

 

[Rncewind]

If I recall correctly, alot of people were already very cautious about that statement due to what happen with the Wii U.

Dont know a lot of people which state here dont jump on anything jumped pretty hard on the emilly rogers stuffs and so on with above xbox level

 

[Dennis]

The starting point of any discussion should be that Wii U was a failure.

The idea that lapsed Wii (casuals) gamers are coming back seems really far fetched.

We are deep in the tablet/phone era.

Additionally, the big disruptive tech now is VR. And Sony, MS and PC will all have that as well. No crazy ass controller to dazzle anyone anymore.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Thats exactly what this thread is about though.

Family Wii-type System ? Urgh...thats why they only have Just Dance announced.

Plus Zelda and DQ11.

Edit: Unless you meant Ubi, then yeah.

 

[Blam]

I have full faith in Nintendo in what they are doing for NX's Launch.

Doesnt seem like something bad. Then again this isn't nintendo talking.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

That title screams Nintendo has not learned jack shit.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Guys just because Nintendo is "addressing the family market" doesn't mean the NX will be geared only towards the family market. I wouldn't be too worried about that.

 

[Captain Smoker]

Funny how that macro gets dragged out here but not in response to, say, an extremely vague report about "industry-leading chips."

Those threads are usually far more into tech-talk and analyzing possibilities than general "NX won't be for hardcore gamers" - statements.

 

[Hilarion]

I have to say...

I never owned a Wii, but I've played a fair number of Wii games through backwards compatibility (No More Heroes 1+2, Sakura Wars V, Sin and Punishment Star Successor, Madworld, Samba de Amigo, Okami, Super Mario Galaxy, Punch Out Wii, Kirby's Return to Dreamland, the Wii version of Rodea the Sky Soldier)...

and I feel you guys have been lying to me about motion controls when you warned me off them for years. The Wiimote is an absolute blast. It's just a bit archaic because it's using 2005 technology.

I loved how Rodea the Sky Soldier, especially, was basically a one-handed game with ultra-simplistic controls and yet had a ton of depth to the actual gameplay. Punch-Out was a delight as well.

The biggest downside to the Wiimote? The utterly shitty Nunchuck, which doesn't detect motions half the time. It made me ragequit a fucking rhythm game, Samba de Amigo, because I got almost none of the responses on the left side.

A new, built-for-2017 Wiimote design (probably renamed and rebranded) could be a blast. Not only is the Wiimote outdated, so too even is the PS Move that the PSVR is going to rely on. A super-precise new motion controller could be highly impressive.

 

[KingBroly]

This is good news. Nintendo can't compete with high-end Sony and MS hardware. It's a different audience. It looks like they're going to laser-focus on the correct audience this time, rather than the mixed 'we can appeal to everybody!' approach with the Wii U that left them with nothing but their hardcore fans.

I hope pointer controls return. I fucking loved the Wiimote + nunchuck, so an advanced version of that would be great, and I still think it has some appeal to the casual market.

I just hope that they're able to get close to PS4 specs. That would be enough for me for now if the console is cheap.

Assuming NX is multiple devices, and the library shared, pointer controls are dead.

 

[Rncewind]

Those threads are usually far more into tech-talk and analyzing possibilities than general "NX won't be for hardcore gamers" - statements.

So talking about something vaugely, and proven wrong like in case of wiiu, is somehow better then talking about clear statments which doenst leave that much room for interpretation?

ok then

 

[Zombie James]

I feel it in my bones. GAF being embarrassing as usual when it comes to Nintendo.

Did you people think Nintendo would not want to cater to casual audiences, as they have since the dawn of time, and instead create hardware that targets a 18-34 male core audience that currently have PS4/XBO/PC covering their every need and that has never been of any use to Nintendo? Are you insane?

I would have liked to see them try something different considering their situation, yes. The Wii audience abandoned them almost as quickly as they hopped on board and the Wii U was a bomb from the start, but yeah, let's try it again. What could go wrong?

 

[Zombegoast]

In other words Ubisoft is trying to find money by releasing Just Dance on the NX and act like their big supporters.

 

[Father_Brain]

Those threads are usually far more into tech-talk and analyzing possibilities than general "NX won't be for hardcore gamers" - statements.

Are they? I wouldn't call it a majority, but a fair few people seemed to treat those three words as some sort of smoking gun proving that Nintendo was focused on directly competing with Sony/MS.

 

[Godzilla's Left Toe]

The fact that Ubisoft did not announce all there other games coming to NX leads me to believe NX will be sub Xbox One power level.

I just hope it's dirt cheap at the least. I'm talking £180 cheap for the console.

Or they learned that all those other game's ( besides maybe Steep) just won't sale on a Nintendo console.

 

[pinkurocket]

They just mean that no one besides Nintendo fans bought the Wii U and with NX they want to have a product that appeals to people outside of this bubble. More than anything that means a product that finds a bigger audience due to something that catches the attention, which isn't necessarily the same approach that worked with the Wii.

Like basically the Playstation has become a family product to the point that any kid wants a PS4 because it's a trending product, that is the kind of status Nintendo wants to achieve as well.

 

[Illucio]

Mhmmhmhmm. I'm not happy hearing those words, then again I have no idea what NX even is so I'm in no placed to judge.

 

[nelchaar]

Where in the world did you pull that out of???

Ugh, I was trying to frame that as a question but mistyped. I was wondering if the new Zelda was running on prototype NX hardware

 

[Übermatik]

Yeah, I was thinking that too. Maybe they're targeting the family market by not adding expensive nonsense that nobody wants like the Wii U GamePad?

Not getting my hopes up though.

Right. I think the correct interpretation of this statement leads to a positive outlook for Nintendo.
To be honest, 'family' should be all inclusive anyway - from little Timmy's Lego game to Uncle Dude's gorefest FPS. Or whatever. You get the idea.

 

[chrisPjelly]

Oh boy oh boy. Hope your next games are free to play, Nintendo, because if they aren't, you're not going to recapture shit

 

[mrjohill]

Look I seen this new Zelda and I want to play it on nx. Simple as that

 

[Rncewind]

Oh boy oh boy. Hope your next games are free to play, Nintendo, because if they aren't, you're not going to recapture shit

Wating for that Nintendo all stars moba since wii u release

 

[JigglesBunny]

I don't think so, just asked my grandmother, said she isn't coming back for NX. She's still pissed about her dislocated hip from Wii Sports Resort.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

It is worth noting that "family" is not interchangeable with "casual." This market is not being catered to on higher-end consoles and neither Sony nor Microsoft seem to have much of an interest in cultivating it.

It could just as easily mean things like Rayman Legends rather than Carnival Games.

 

[Ganzlinger]

I miss the SNES and 64 era from Nintendo, not the Wii.

 

[BRocknRolla]

Doesn't matter which one. Just getting close enough for 3rd parties.

Why? Because the market you want Nintendo to chase is almost gone.

Getting close to parity while still have the Nintendo exclusives with competitive graphics will ensure much larger uptake than the lackluster Wii U. The core abandoned it, the casuals weren't interested.

Why do people want Nintendo to repeat the same mistake?

Are you trying to tank the stock or something?

The assumption that Nintendo can suddenly compete with MS and Sony because they have a Xbox One equivalent powered box isn't something I can follow you on. "Competitive graphics" and the same 3rd party support isn't going to sell those boxes. By the end of next year, we'll have Scorpio and Neo, and what was once seen as competitive is going to shift back again, and you'd be play inferior versions of third party titles on that box. That isn't going to just bring the "core" back. They've spent two generations outside of that fight, and I don't see them getting back into it now just by seeking parity.

Now, if you want to say that the audience or sector of the market that Nintendo would theoretically be going after doesn't exist, maybe that is the case. But I also don't think the Wii U was an attractive option for the Wii crowd. If that market doesn't exist anymore, the Wii U didn't prove that; it only proved that Nintendo's marketing was abysmal and their Wii U system design was behind the times.

We don't have any idea what the NX is and I don't know what their overall approach will be, but I cannot fathom why anyone would think a powerful box would be enough to solve Nintendo's problems.

 

[Chaos17]

In other words Ubisoft is trying to find money by releasing Just Dance on the NX and act like their big supporters.

brutal xD

 

[Rncewind]

It is worth noting that "family" is not interchangeable with "casual." This market is not being catered to on higher-end consoles and neither Sony nor Microsoft seem to have much of an interest in cultivating it.

It could just as easily mean things like Rayman Legends rather than Carnival Games.

Would not say they have no intresst, they cant. They tried and failed a couple of times in the past. Nintendos brand recognition in that area is too strong and they have much better devs in that area

Also i agree its not the same however like 90 % of games that considered as "family" games by ubisoft are regulary casuals game tho