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Obama is the most popular modern US president

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Damerman

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Affordable care act, civil rights for LGBT, strong stance against NRA, fair stance on immigration, repairing relations with fucking Iran and Cuba, getting ben laden... The list goes on.

There is still a lot of things that could have been done, like more transparent trade agreements, and better military tactics in the middle east... But this guy and his team have done a lot to steer america in the right direction.

Incredible.
 

ezekial45

Banned
Real talk, Obama isn't even that good.

He's an average to slightly above average president that looks like a fucking superstar due to the insane levels of incompetent, ignorant fuckery surrounding him.

The fact that he was able to get the ACA through in the first place puts him above many other presidents (about 7 of his predecessors tried and failed). That's not including the other the sweeping changes to scientific/medical research and more progressive changes to positions of power in government, and civil rights.
 

BobLoblaw

Banned
People are gonna miss this man. His legacy is secured. I just wish he didn't have to deal with those bumblefucks in the House and Senate. He could've done even more.
 

Xe4

Banned
The ACA, end of gay marriage ban (which may have not happened without Sotomayor or Kagan), end of DADT, improved relations with Cuba, improved relations with Iran, ended Bin Laden. I'm gonna miss Barack "the Islamic Shock" Superallah Hussain Obama Jr. I hope hillary can do as good as he, but only time will tell.
 

Paches

Member
My biggest issue with Obama, other than his drone strike and TPP stances, is his overuse of executive orders. He's really become dependant on them to push his agendas.

Of course, that's a clear product of fighting with an obstructionist congress for 8yrs, and I do agree with most of his executive orders, but just because I agree doesn't mean it's not an abuse of power. If it were a Republican POTUS, I'm sure I'd be livid.

Otherwise, he's been a good President hamstrung by an inept legislative branch.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

Seems to be in line with other recent presidents in terms of the usage amount, if not slightly under average just eyeballing it. Unless you have a problem with executive orders themselves, then I understand, but it isn't like he is making unprecedented amounts of them.
 
Started off not liking him in his first year, and now in his eighth year... I'm going to miss him. He's really done a lot of notable things imho. Perfect? No. But a good president, I say.

Definitely going to miss him more when either Clinton or Trump officially takes his place.
 
Good on the 'bama.

But...still seems like Clinton clinched it? I feel that it's a greater accomplishment considering the scandals that rocked his term(s). Obama never had to deal with impeachment hearings, after all.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/156362/bill-clinton-popular.aspx
I mean...Obama's a black president in a country where a lot of people hate black people because reasons. Did any other president have to deal with that?
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
My biggest issue with Obama, other than his drone strike and TPP stances, is his overuse of executive orders. He's really become dependant on them to push his agendas.

Of course, that's a clear product of fighting with an obstructionist congress for 8yrs, and I do agree with most of his executive orders, but just because I agree doesn't mean it's not an abuse of power. If it were a Republican POTUS, I'm sure I'd be livid.

Otherwise, he's been a good President hamstrung by an inept legislative branch.
cue the graph where he used less executive orders than Bush.
 

Vyrance

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My biggest issue with Obama, other than his drone strike and TPP stances, is his overuse of executive orders. He's really become dependant on them to push his agendas.

Of course, that's a clear product of fighting with an obstructionist congress for 8yrs, and I do agree with most of his executive orders, but just because I agree doesn't mean it's not an abuse of power. If it were a Republican POTUS, I'm sure I'd be livid.

Otherwise, he's been a good President hamstrung by an inept legislative branch.

It actually isnt an overuse of executive orders. He has issued the least amount on average out of any President in the last 100 years or so.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
People are gonna miss this man. His legacy is secured. I just wish he didn't have to deal with those bumblefucks in the House and Senate. He could've done even more.
^

The only blemish on his tenure is probably Libya, but that was an international blemish on the UN and NATO, not a US-only one.
 

Raxus

Member
He's going to go down as top 10 for the ACA alone. If the Iran deal goes well that's going to be even more solid. We've definitely had better, but his influence is going to be felt long after he's gone. He's not top 5, but it's hard to outdo Lincoln, Washington and the Roosevelts.

I'd also like to remind the circumstances Obama was elected were bad but not nearly as dire as the others. I may not have agreed with him 100% of the time but damn if I am not proud to have voted for him twice. Considering the political climate I think he would have been one of the all time greats easily if he wasn't handicapped so hard. Either way it is a great precedent to set to have out first black president be one of the best.

Pie in the sky: Hildawg nominates him to the Supreme Court and Republicans die from salt overload.
 

Gattsu25

Banned
My biggest issue with Obama, other than his drone strike and TPP stances, is his overuse of executive orders. He's really become dependant on them to push his agendas.

Of course, that's a clear product of fighting with an obstructionist congress for 8yrs, and I do agree with most of his executive orders, but just because I agree doesn't mean it's not an abuse of power. If it were a Republican POTUS, I'm sure I'd be livid.

Otherwise, he's been a good President hamstrung by an inept legislative branch.
Doesn't he have less executive orders, vacation days, and prison pardons than any other recent president, tho?
 

andthebeatgoeson

Junior Member
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

Seems to be in line with other recent presidents in terms of the usage amount, if not slightly under average just eyeballing it. Unless you have a problem with executive orders themselves, then I understand, but it isn't like he is making unprecedented amounts of them.
This too. Against sopa and pipa, for net neutrality, first president to visit a prison, first president to publicly personalize/empathise with a dead black man/victim ('he could have been my son').
 

aliengmr

Member
Obama will forever be my President. When I am a dusty old man, he'll be the president I tell the younguns about while they fight to keep their eyes from rolling out of their head from cringing so hard.

Really doubt anyone will ever come close.
 
Imagine how popular he'd be if the GOP hadn't spent the last eight years trying to convince their fanatical base that he sneaks into their house at night to steal their wife's panties out of the laundry hamper.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Imagine how popular he'd be if the GOP hadn't spent the last eight years trying to convince their fanatical base that he sneaks into their house at night to steal their wife's panties out of the laundry hamper.
Seriously I just saw a video yesterday that said Obama was the worst president ever. /facepalm
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
thesis:
- obama is the most popular modern US president

definitions:
- modern is a subset of 4 of the last 5 presidents, excluding ghwb because he didn't get a second term
- most popular is defined by highest job approval, except that he doesn't have the highest job approval, clinton did, so for the comparison with clinton it's defined as personal approval (i wonder why clinton had high job approval and low personal approval in his last two years)

argument:
- obama did good

I would not submit this for your college application.
 

Cyan

Banned
thesis:
- obama is the most popular modern US president

definitions:
- modern is a subset of 4 of the last 5 presidents, excluding ghwb because he didn't get a second term
- most popular is defined by highest job approval, except that he doesn't have the highest job approval, clinton did, so for the comparison with clinton it's defined as personal approval (i wonder why clinton had high job approval and low personal approval in his last two years)

argument:
- obama did good

I would not submit this for your college application.

Obama is the most popular current US president. Fite me.
 
He's got the swag.

ht_obama_chewing_ll_1nfkht.gif

I wish someone would resize this gif so it had a proper ratio.
 

TaterTots

Banned
Affordable care act, civil rights for LGBT, strong stance against NRA, fair stance on immigration, repairing relations with fucking Iran and Cuba, getting ben laden... The list goes on.

There is still a lot of things that could have been done, like more transparent trade agreements, and better military tactics in the middle east... But this guy and his team have done a lot to steer america in the right direction.

Incredible.

I find it fascinating that more immigrants have been deported while he is in office than any other president. Republican presidents couldn't even get that done.
 

guek

Banned
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

Seems to be in line with other recent presidents in terms of the usage amount, if not slightly under average just eyeballing it. Unless you have a problem with executive orders themselves, then I understand, but it isn't like he is making unprecedented amounts of them.
Yeah, I know, but it's also a matter of what those orders entail and what kind of policies they're enforcing. I just so happen to agree with many of them but like you said, I have a problem with executive orders to enact policy in general outside of war time or economic crisis.
 
Also as much as I really respect Obama and think he's a great President he isn't the GOAT, come on.

That is and will probably always be Lincoln. Ending slavery and saving the US intact through the Civil War are kinda big deals
 

Drain You

Member
I registered to vote specifically because for the first time I felt strongly enough to do so because of Obama. Very happy with him as Prez. Gonna be sad to see him go.
 
My biggest issue with Obama, other than his drone strike and TPP stances, is his overuse of executive orders. He's really become dependant on them to push his agendas.

Of course, that's a clear product of fighting with an obstructionist congress for 8yrs, and I do agree with most of his executive orders, but just because I agree doesn't mean it's not an abuse of power. If it were a Republican POTUS, I'm sure I'd be livid.

Otherwise, he's been a good President hamstrung by an inept legislative branch.

Has he had to do as many EO's as previous presidents though? I remember a chart being thrown around that he's on the low end for this.
 
He doesn't want a third term. He has stated this multiple times. Can't force the guy. Hillary will continue his work imo.

Oh I know and can't blame him at all. That has to be quite literally the most stressful job on Earth. I mean president of the world's largest superpower? No thanks

I'm just saying I like him so much more than either of the next candidates :-(
 

WillyFive

Member
Also as much as I really respect Obama and think he's a great President he isn't the GOAT, come on.

That is and will probably always be Lincoln. Ending slavery and saving the US intact through the Civil War are kinda big deals

At the same time, how would any other president ever hope to compete with that?

Freeing the slaves and ending the Civil War was only possible in that time period where those problems existed. What could someone do in the modern day that is anywhere close to that other than curing cancer or creating a united world order?
 

20cent

Banned
It's not like the other modern US presidents had anything likable, between Clinton's cigar and Benny Hill W...
 
thesis:
- obama is the most popular modern US president

definitions:
- modern is a subset of 4 of the last 5 presidents, excluding ghwb because he didn't get a second term
- most popular is defined by highest job approval, except that he doesn't have the highest job approval, clinton did, so for the comparison with clinton it's defined as personal approval (i wonder why clinton had high job approval and low personal approval in his last two years)

argument:
- obama did good

I would not submit this for your college application.
- George HW Bush's approval rating in July 1992 per Gallup was 29%, a record low for his presidency. So yes he's still above HW. That he was a one termer should be a further hint that he wasn't the most popular president near the end of his run. Any definition of modern that goes further back is really straining the word "modern" for me.

- I think the fact that Clinton's personal reputation was tarnished is a pretty large caveat and that it speaks well of Obama that his high job approval tracks closely to his personal favorability but you can infer for yourself whether this should make him more "popular" I guess. I'm having trouble finding personal favorability numbers for past presidents.

Edit: Bush I, Bush II and Clinton's favorability ratings were all in the toilet in the final year of their presidency per Gallup (for Bush I and Clinton) and CNN (Bush II). So Obama is beating them by that metric.

- This is a forum post not a college thesis.

omg you totally owned me ;( how will i ever show my face here again
 

Bustanen

Member
Those against Obama will be in for a rude awakening whoever the next president is. Obama is too good for Americans.
 
B-but B-rock "The Islamic Shock" Hussein Super-Allah Obama is covering for Shillary "Butcher of Benghazi" Rodham Foster-Slayer Clinton! Reeee!

[mouth frothing intensifies]

Stay winning, indeed. I was upset at Obama for going with what the DNC was doing as a whole after he was elected, but the last year of his first term and every year since, he's grown more bold, given fewer fucks, and just repeatedly smacked the GOP about just about everywhere. The only thing that could make his presidency better would be the Republicans losing the Senate AND House because they tried their damnedest to block him at every turn and it ruined their own party in the process. Make no mistake, that's an Obama accomplishment.

four more years/Obama for Supreme Court
 

Tansut

Member
He's got the swag.

ht_obama_chewing_ll_1nfkht.gif
This gif always makes me think he had an appearnce on WWE Raw that I never saw. It just looks like something Jim Ross would be narrating over.

JR: The Commander in Chief has just entered the arena, King, and he'll be giving us his State of the WWE Universe address next!

Lawler: AAHH!

*cut to commercial*
 

Cyan

Banned
omg you totally owned me ;( how will i ever show my face here again

I don't think the point of stump's post was to zomg own you (I mean, unless I'm misunderstanding, this isn't your argument, this is from a blog). Stump is pointing out that this just isn't very meaningful. Obama is the most popular of four people, and only then if you sort of fiddle with the metrics on Clinton.
 
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