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[Venture]

Dany's never shown any interest in religion. The Dothraki already think she's a goddess and the Unsullied have no use for the Lord of Light. I don't see any reason why Dany would bring her along.

Kinvara could come to Westeros on her own accord though. This whole battle between light and dark thing is a big deal for them.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

This is utterly amazing haha

it really is lol

i cant imagine how it feels for jaime, returning after winning a siege without losing a single soldier.... first to see the city was burning and then... seeing his sister crowned.... which surely indicate to him the tommen, his son, has died

all of that just got dropped on him on his return

THAT EXPRESSION

.... that gif really captured it all lol

We have to give props to the person who posted the original gif asking for it to be shopped with Jaime's face. The person tinting it green was a nice touch.

 

[dragonbane]

Pretty cool detail that we finally know what that thing in the intro is supposed to be

 

[Nameless]

I can see this happening, but I feel like Jon is going to give it back to the Mormonts. They were the only House that stayed loyal, giving back their ancestral blade is something I can see Jon doing to repay his debt.

That sounds like something Jon might do, but I think Lyanna would insist he keep it. Jeor wanted him to have it and House Mormont likely takes great pride in their king carrying their family blade.

That's what's been my line of thinking. Maybe that Samwell finds out the secrets of Valyrian steel. Maybe the blades have latent powers that can be woken by people with the right lineage.

It's a little different because unlike the original Son of Fire Jon probably won't attempt forge the great weapon himself, but according to legend it took tempering the blade with the spilled blood of a loved one to unlock its powers. So who knows, some seriously fucked up series of events might have to take place for Lightbringer to "activate".

 

[Chained Prometheus]

Dany's never shown any interest in religion. The Dothraki already think she's a goddess and the Unsullied have no use for the Lord of Light. I don't see any reason why Dany would bring her along.

Kinvara could come to Westeros on her own accord though. This whole battle between light and dark thing is a big deal for them.

Mhmm, I could definitely see this happening. Perhaps we'll end up seeing her get in talks with Melisandre over which of them has the right "candidate" for who is the new Azor Ahai (Jon or Dany).

 

[dragonbane]

So who knows, some seriously fucked up series of events might have to take place for Lightbringer to "activate".

Jon falls in love with LF, but then Sansa kills him. Crisis averted

We have to give props to the person who posted the original gif asking for it to be shopped with Jaime's face. The person tinting it green was a nice touch.

Yup. It honestly seemed like a boring idea to me with just a basic face edit. But the green touch completely killed me lol

 

[DaRealMVP]

She also mentions when she looks into Arya's eyes, she sees brown eyes, blue eyes, and green eyes. Foreshadowing Arya wearing other faces.

And I noticed she also said that these were eyes that Arya would shut forever. I had actually forgot about this part, and upon rewatch, I was trying to think of whose eyes those could be, when I noticed Melisandre has blue eyes.

Do you think Melisandre could be predicting her own death at the hands of Arya? For revenge with the whole gendry kidnapping thing?

What color were Walder Frey's eyes?

 

[televator]

That sounds like something Jon might do, but I think Lyanna would insist he keep it. Jeor wanted him to have it and House Mormont likely takes great pride in their king carrying their family blade.



It's a little different because unlike the original Son of Fire Jon probably won't attempt forge the great weapon himself, but according to legend it took tempering the blade with the spilled blood of a loved one to unlock its powers. So who knows, some seriously fucked up series of events might have to take place for Lightbringer to "activate".

Damn, that's some straight up Naruto stuff. lol

 

[ComputerBlue]

noooooooooooooooooo

she was hot

say it isnt so !

Meli is hotter.

I don't see her returning though, her purpose was to help the people of Essos believe in and follow Dany as their ruler. She agreed and said she would have other priests and preachers speak highly of the queen.

 

[Corpekata]

Kinvara seems to me was mostly a prop to get that Varys moment, to develop his character a bit with his distaste for religion and magic. He's a relatively closed off character and that was one of the few times we've seen behind his public faces (we rarely, if ever, get a scene with him where he's not in the company of a more important character).

If they had plans for her they would have had her meet Dany at the very least. Like barely anything is made of the red priest help after she comes back beyond a single line by Tyrion.

 

[Heshinsi]

did we see dany's new priestess from the lord of light on the ship? i cant remember

which one is more powerful, btw, you all think?

• melisandre
• thoros
• dany's new priestess

Dany doesn't have a priestess, I don't know who you're referring to. Tyrion brought in a Red Priestess to do some consultation work, with an understanding of there being a permanent position if the bosses approved. She was let go after her one episode contract was finished. Something about their god insisting that Dany take along some children on her sea voyage, and the Red Priestess refusing to give a straight answer as to why, didn't seat well with Dany and co.

 

[dragonbane]

I really really hope Bran won't be a fucking idiot and just cross the wall with his arm still being marked. Both Benjen and the raven made it very clear what a terrible idea that would be. I doubt he will cut it off or anything, but at least if he does cross they hopefully give a better reason than Bran just being a complete tool again and missing this simple fact. Really don't want to hate him even more than I already do (for being dumb and killing everyone and not even showing remorse while Meera has to carry his ass everywhere risking her life too). Would be too fitting though if he condemns the entirety of Westeros to death with his next move

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Dany doesn't have a priestess, I don't know who you're referring to. Tyrion brought in a Red Priestess to do some consultation work, with an understanding of there being a permanent position if the bosses approved. She was let go after her one episode contract was finished.

others have covered this for me :> her name was kinvara and im hoping she wont be dropped ;___;

 

[ComputerBlue]

Kinvara seems to me was mostly a prop to get that Varys moment, to develop his character a bit with his distaste for religion and magic. He's a relatively closed off character and that was one of the few times we've seen behind his public faces (we rarely, if ever, get a scene with him where he's not in the company of a more important character).

If they had plans for her they would have had her meet Dany at the very least. Like barely anything is made of the red priest help after she comes back beyond a single line by Tyrion.

This seems more likely, which reminds me. I wonder what it is that he heard in the flames and I hope they reveal it eventually. Would suck if they didn't.

 

[Helensmith]

Pretty cool detail that we finally know what that thing in the intro is supposed to be

Can you spoiler tag explain it for me please because I don't know what you mean?

 

[dragonbane]

Can you spoiler tag explain it for me please because I don't know what you mean?

During the opening credits you see that chandelier/sun type of thing floating around and we never really knew what it was I don't think. Looks like it's one of the great chandeliers they have in the Citadel

 

[Ferrio]

During the opening credits you see that chandelier/sun type of thing floating around and we never really knew what it was I don't think. Looks like it's one of the great chandeliers they have in the Citadel

Not a chandelier. Most likely some weird kinda astrolab.

 

[televator]

And the lord of light said to Varys "Mmmmm, sausage and eggs."

 

[lastplayed]

Fucked this up and posted in the wrong thread. But for those that wanted to see the mountains face.

Looks like zombie Varys.

 

[Heshinsi]

others have covered this for me :> her name was kinvara and im hoping she wont be dropped ;___;

I've got a question for you Lord of Light fans. I've always maintained that the LoL could in fact be a villainous being, that is manipulating others in doing things it deems "good" but are in reality are for nefarious reasons. With Ser Davos straight up calling the Lord of Light evil last episode, do you still believe your god is a force of good, or are some of you (I know true believers like Nameless still think everything is peachy) starting to now question what his true motives are?

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

I really really hope Bran won't be a fucking idiot and just cross the wall with his arm still being marked. Both Benjen and the raven made it very clear what a terrible idea that would be. I doubt he will cut it off or anything, but at least if he does cross they hopefully give a better reason than Bran just being a complete tool again and missing this simple fact. Really don't want to hate him even more than I already do (for being dumb and killing everyone and not even showing remorse while Meera has to carry his ass everywhere risking her life too). Would be too fitting though if he condemns the entirety of Westeros to death with his next move

I bet he sees a vision where he absolutely has to go back to see Jon and inform him of something. Maybe it would the only way to completely get rid of the threat of White Walkers.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Can you spoiler tag explain it for me please because I don't know what you mean?

pikuuuuuuuuuuul

you never came back to mafia ;___;

 

[Makai]

I really really hope Bran won't be a fucking idiot and just cross the wall with his arm still being marked. Both Benjen and the raven made it very clear what a terrible idea that would be. I doubt he will cut it off or anything, but at least if he does cross they hopefully give a better reason than Bran just being a complete tool again and missing this simple fact. Really don't want to hate him even more than I already do (for being dumb and killing everyone and not even showing remorse while Meera has to carry his ass everywhere risking her life too). Would be too fitting though if he condemns the entirety of Westeros to death with his next move

Oh he will.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

I've got a question for you Lord of Light fans. I've always maintained that the LoL could in fact be a villainous being, that is manipulating others in doing things it deems "good" but are in reality for nefarious reasons. With Ser Davos straight up calling the Lord of Light evil last episode, do you still believe your god is a force of good, or are starting to now question what his true motives are?

im not a LoL fan, i think all the religions in the series are just vehicular and none of them are good good.

 

[televator]

I like to think Martin based the LoL on our "real" gods. Fickle bastards who love gambling with our souls.

 

[Volimar]

There's no reason to think that Bran's mark was anything but a way to get to the 3ER. Do we even know if he still has it?

 

[sangreal]

The day has come

 

[Heshinsi]

But there's only one god running around doing things, and his followers are adamant that they are fighting for good. It's part of the sales pitch. But what he demands of them is mostly evil things. I don't think it is a coincidence that what Ser Davos said about the Lol is actually the first time I've ever heard anyone making that same connection. Why did this evil bastard bring Jon back? He's like the Little Finger of gods.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Jon has the blood of Old Valyria and is already wielding a Valyrian Sword with deep roots in the North. Longclaw is perfect for him on so many levels, even more so now that he's the "White Wolf". I'd much rather see it double as Lightbringer.

I have a theory on that (possible book, spoilers)

Spoiler

to make Lightbringer he's gonna have to plunge his sword into someone he loves (probably dany), that's what Azor Ahai had to do originally to forge Lightbringer after failing 3 times.

 

[Zetta]

That sounds like something Jon might do, but I think Lyanna would insist he keep it. Jeor wanted him to have it and House Mormont likely takes great pride in their king carrying their family blade.



It's a little different because unlike the original Son of Fire Jon probably won't attempt forge the great weapon himself, but according to legend it took tempering the blade with the spilled blood of a loved one to unlock its powers. So who knows, some seriously fucked up series of events might have to take place for Lightbringer to "activate".

Well aside from finding out some truths I think this may be Sam's other destiny, lets hope this isn't the case though.

 

[Volimar]

I don't recall any of this sword stuff being discussed in the show aside from a mention from Melisandre. So why is all this info in the no book thread?

But there's only one god running around doing things, and his followers are adamant that they are fighting for good. It's part of the sales pitch. But what he demands of them is mostly evil things. I don't think it is a coincidence that what Ser Davos said about the Lol is actually the first time I've ever heard anyone making that same connection. Why did this evil bastard bring Jon back? He's like the Little Finger of gods.

Oh, I don't know about that. Catlyn Stark prayed to the gods and promised to treat Jon well if only they'd heal him. He recovered and she went back on her word. Fast forward a few years and she was punished by watching her actual favored son killed in front of her. I feel like the Lord of Light is flashy and gives out cool tricks where as the other Gods are content to take the long view of punishing people for their sins.

 

[dragonbane]

I've got a question for you Lord of Light fans. I've always maintained that the LoL could in fact be a villainous being, that is manipulating others in doing things it deems "good" but are in reality are for nefarious reasons. With Ser Davos straight up calling the Lord of Light evil last episode, do you still believe your god is a force of good, or are some of you (I know true believers like Nameless still think everything is peachy) starting to now question what his true motives are?

I believed in the LoL, but moved away from it recently. I now share the belief there are really no gods and it's all just magic done by witches and priests who don't believe in their own abilities and think the LoL does it. Of course it's sort of unlikely a drunken ass Thoros of Myr would be able to bring someone back while others presumably can't. So that speaks for the LoL existing. But if so he really screwed up by sending Mel confusing messages that indicated to her that Stannis was the chosen one, when he never really was

Oh, I don't know about that. Catlyn Stark prayed to the gods and promised to treat Jon well if only they'd heal him. He recovered and she went back on her word. Fast forward a few years and she was punished by watching her actual favored son killed in front of her. I feel like the Lord of Light is flashy and gives out cool tricks where as the other Gods are content to take the long view of punishing people for their sins.

Even hit good ol Walder now for breaking the important rule to not harm the invited party at your table. Just took a while.

 

[Sande]

Looks like zombie Varys.

It's Wilson Fisk.

 

[Heshinsi]

Oh, I don't know about that. Catlyn Stark prayed to the gods and promised to treat Jon well if only they'd heal him. He recovered and she went back on her word. Fast forward a few years and she was punished by watching her actual favored son killed in front of her. I feel like the Lord of Light is flashy and gives out cool tricks where as the other Gods are content to take the long view of punishing people for their sins.

Except any non-religious person in Westeros can argue what you posted is coincidental and is only attributed to the Seven due to ignorance. The other guy is literally bringing the dead back to life.

I believed in the LoL, but moved away from it recently. I now share the belief there are really no gods and it's all just magic done by witches and priests who don't believe in their own abilities and think the LoL does it. Of course it's sort of unlikely a drunken ass Thoros of Myr would be able to bring someone back while others presumably can't. So that speaks for the LoL existing. But if so he really screwed up by sending Mel confusing messages that indicated to her that Stannis was the chosen one, when he never really was

All in all, Red Priestess give me the willies, and I'm glad Kinevila was ditched back in Mereen. Tyrion almost fucked us again.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

But there's only one god running around doing things, and his followers are adamant that they are fighting for good. It's part of the sales pitch. But what he demands of them is mostly evil things. I don't think it is a coincidence that what Ser Davos said about the Lol is actually the first time I've ever heard anyone making that same connection. Why did this evil bastard bring Jon back? He's like the Little Finger of gods.

LoL is the new monotheistic god, right? maybe he's still on his Old Testament era here, having closer involvements in the going ons of things

The Seven (and by their extension, the Sparrows and the Septs) are the old polytheistic religion, they are farther by feelings but their followers and priests are still doing a lot of damage in the world

then there was the Old Religion of the Children, which basically has passed into folklore and old wives tales and stuff, like the mysticism of old that predated even the polytheistic system



anyway, i think LoL is mostly doing a lot of self-promotion and i never see him as a force of good. he is an ambitious power and he seeks to 'win' out in the religion war of the people of westeros. bringing jon back may further his cause, is all.

 

[Volimar]

Except any non-religious person in Westeros can argue what you posted is coincidental and is only attributed to the Seven due to ignorance. The other guy is literally bringing the dead back to life.

Oh definitely, there's a case to be made for coincidence. It's just personal head canon for me that the Old Gods learned long ago not to be so overt in their meddling.

 

[Neospartan]

Jon is going to marry Dany and you will like it. FIRE AND ICE

But, if Jon is Rhaegar's son, he already is Ice and Fire. If he were to marry Dany, that marriage would be 2 parts fire, 1 part ice :b

Maybe he balances it out by marrying both Daenerys AND Arya.

Assuming Jon is destined to wield Dawn, I wonder exactly how he gets it. According to the Wiki, Ned

Spoiler

gave it back to the Dayne family and it's still in Dorne with no worthy owner.

What would Jon have to do to

Spoiler

prove worthy

?

Dawn isn't inheritable. That sword is only given to the most badass swordsman in the realm... With Dayne blood.

 

[Error]

the king in the north scene gives me goosebumps, lyanna's speech "But House Mormont remembers. The North remembers...", the background music, the "king in the north" chants... shiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeetttt.

 

[dragonbane]

Was it ever confirmed what actually makes you a bastard in Westeros? Is it birthing a child outside of marriage or being the son/daughter of one noble person and one who is not? All the bastards we know of meet both criteria as far as I remember and the rumour was Jon's mother was some random woman too. But now we know both his parents are high born. So maybe he is not a bastard at the end even if there wasn't a marriage?

 

[Speely]

Was it ever confirmed what actually makes you a bastard in Westeros? Is it birthing a child outside of marriage or being the son/daughter of one noble person and one who is not? All the bastards we know of meet both criteria as far as I remember and the rumour was Jon's mother was some random woman too. But now we know both his parents are high born. So maybe he is not a bastard at the end even if there wasn't a marriage?

Doesn't have to be a marriage. Else Gendry would not exist as a character. It's blood.

Edit: Misread. Yes, bastard status is anything outside of marriage. But your question is a good one. Would out-of-wedlock nobility produce a non-bastard? Hmmm

 

[The Lamonster]

Fucked this up and posted in the wrong thread. But for those that wanted to see the mountains face.

 

[Neospartan]

I've got a question for you Lord of Light fans. I've always maintained that the LoL could in fact be a villainous being, that is manipulating others in doing things it deems "good" but are in reality are for nefarious reasons. With Ser Davos straight up calling the Lord of Light evil last episode, do you still believe your god is a force of good, or are some of you (I know true believers like Nameless still think everything is peachy) starting to now question what his true motives are?

IF, and only if, the Lord of Light actually exists (which he might) then... He is a god of fire. And that's about it. There's no truly "Good" nor truly "Evil" in the world of Ice and Fire.

Was it ever confirmed what actually makes you a bastard in Westeros? Is it birthing a child outside of marriage or being the son/daughter of one noble person and one who is not? All the bastards we know of meet both criteria as far as I remember and the rumour was Jon's mother was some random woman too. But now we know both his parents are high born. So maybe he is not a bastard at the end even if there wasn't a marriage?

Yeah, it's the born-out-of-wedlock thing.

 

[Chained Prometheus]

But, if Jon is Rhaegar's son, he already is Ice and Fire. If he were to marry Dany, that marriage would be 2 parts fire, 1 part ice :b

Maybe he balances it out by marrying both Daenerys AND Arya.

Nothing prevents from the books and/or the show from giving that phrase multiple meanings. Jon himself is a child of Fire and Ice, but he would absolutely be the Ice to Dany's Fire if the two were to unite and marry too.

 

[Elysium-777]

Dawn isn't inheritable. That sword is only given to the most badass swordsman in the realm... With Dayne blood.

I noticed that, but they might change their rules temporarily once they find out that the Wall was destroyed and an army of the dead is coming for them.

Sam might also find something interesting regarding what Dawn is made of. It might be even more potent than Valyrian against the White Walkers. I don't see the Night King going out in just one hit of Valyrian/Dragon Glass like the other White Walkers.

 

[Aselith]

Dany is not marrying some lame ass Kit Harrington. He's not worthy of our Khaleesi

 

[Chained Prometheus]

Dany is not marrying some lame ass Kit Harrington. He's not worthy of our Khaleesi

Better Jon Snow than Euron Greyjoy or Littlefinger (not that Dany's counsel would ever approve of either of the two).

Plus, let's be honest, the odds of Dany hooking up with Jaime are next to zelch. Dude killed her father, even if it were for good reason, and he's probably gonna off himself after killing Cersei next season too.

Hell, Jon being the one to hook up with Dany might partially be a reason as to why both Tyrion and Theon are there now in her team, from an overall narrative perspective. Tyrion was a bit of a bro with Jon back in the days of Season 1 and Theon at least grew up around Jon too. Once they arrive in Westeros and get an update on the political map of the Seven Kingdoms, I could see them pushing for Dany and Jon to make an alliance asap.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

Dany is not marrying some lame ass Kit Harrington. He's not worthy of our Khaleesi

Jon's boring brooding look is more interesting than Danny's entire personality

 

[televator]

Pssshhhh... Jon's too good for Danny. He'll do better with them dragons than Danny too. Everybody in life liked to shit on Jon and now look where he is. From zero to hero, baby. Don't hate.

 

[kaname-san]

I can't believe Dany is willing to get married to some stranger to reach her goals. What happened to her? She could get there just by conquering, as she has been doing this whole time, but I guess she wants a shortcut?

 

[Heshinsi]

Jon's boring brooding look is more interesting than Danny's entire personality

You do know you could be sued in Westeros for libel and slander right?