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[Akiller]

Best post I've read here. Thank you.

And it'll be likely ignored sigh

 

[KingSnake]

Any SCD capable of turning a low powered handheld console into the equivalent of a high powered home console would do so by containing the bulk of the hardware you would need to include in a console. Why not just make a console? By "SCD" you are just describing a home console that for some reason requires a separate handheld device to function.

There is more to a console than a dock. Read the SCD patent. A console could work as a SCD, but a SCD is not necessarily a console.

 

[AmyS]

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Controls IMHO

Controls? You mean controls for the game they stripped all the gamepad functionality from? Even if so that would mean it would be a different experience between consoles. Wii and gamecube offered different experiences for Twilight Princess.

So can you buy the handheld without the supplementary device? Or are they sold only as a package?

If the former, why would the handheld be required? What's the advantage over just selling a handheld and a console?

If the latter, the cost would skyrocket and probably kill any chances of success.

Im not saying it will be exactly like thatbit along those lines. Nintendo probably came up witj some work around or technology.

RIP 1080p and increased performance.

Nope

 

[Dagobert Duck]

There is more to a console than a dock. Read the SCD patent. A console could work as a SCD, but a SCD is not necessarily a console.

So wait, my joke post makes sense?

 

[LewieP]

There is more to a console than a dock. Read the SCD patent. A console could work as a SCD, but a SCD is not necessarily a console.

I read it. The cost difference between an SCD and an equivalent console would be extremely small.

Again, I'd like to know how you are suggesting this hybrid would be sold. Is handheld only an option, with an SCD as a very expensive accessory? Or are the two bundled together and the entry price for NX skyrockets? Why do you think either of these options is better to just selling two separate devices that can work together but also work entirely independently of each other should the customer prefer. What is the advantage?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

So wait, my joke post makes sense?

kind of lol

 

[BGBW]

Nintendo brought back the term Gamepad with the Wii U.

They'll bring back the term Control Deck with the NX.

 

[Milly Osworth]

I don't believe leaks is how Nintendo is going to reveal the NX >_>

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I don't believe leaks is how Nintendo is going to reveal the NX >_>

If it leaks, Nintendo wont be revealing

 

[Graphics Horse]

Controls? You mean controls for the game they stripped all the gamepad functionality from? Even if so that would mean it would be a different experience between consoles. Wii and gamecube offered different experiences for Twilight Princess.
Nope

Nothing as big as the Wii, just a quick select for items or something, which the gamepad could have no doubt supported in its own way.

 

[KingSnake]

Are there any Tegra devices that are capable of running a game fully utilising all the system resources available at 540p when not plugged in, which can then by simply plugging it in to a dock or mains or whatever run the same game at the same level of visual fidelity but at 1080p. I am not aware of any such device.

No, there is no device that switches between 540p portable and 1080p docked if you're looking for the exact same resolutions.

But Shield K1 has a console mode that can be switched on when connected to the TV and changes the rendering resolution to 1080p and turns off the screen. I don't know how well it works because I don't have a Shield. But this wasn't my point. My point was that the same GPU is used in both portable and standalone Shield devices, so it seems to be fit for both more or less.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

If it leaks, Nintendo wont be revealing

It might be just prior to some official info.
Just like in E3

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Nothing as big as the Wii, just a quick select for items or something, which the gamepad could have no doubt supported in its own way.

like what?

 

[Graphics Horse]

No, there is no device that switches between 540p portable and 1080p docked if you're looking for the exact same resolutions.

But Shield K1 has a console mode that can be switched on when connected to the TV and changes the rendering resolution to 1080p and turns off the screen. I don't know how well it works because I don't have a Shield. But this wasn't my point. My point was that the same GPU is used in both portable and standalone Shield devices, so it seems to be fit for both more or less.

And they also brought out a home tv based successor device a few years later, point being a portable with TV out is not necessarily indicative of never releasing a home console ever again, which the hybrid detractors seem to be strangely convinced of.
Edit: Shield K1 is a tablet that already has a native res higher than 1080p, but what you said's true for the original 720p handheld.

 

[castaction]

So we are getting more info on the nx this week?

 

[Graphics Horse]

like what?

You must have heard of the scrolly shoulder buttons idea! And I'm thinking maybe a touchpad could replace the dpad and right stick, so magnesis would let you swipe up and down to change the distance instead of dpad buttons.

 

[Squall5042]

I feel like this news justifies a new thread so the same questions don't need to be repeated every page

 

[KingSnake]

I read it. The cost difference between an SCD and an equivalent console would be extremely small.

The dock could have just a GPU (with its memory) and nothing more for example. In what world is that as expensive as a separate console. Or not even that, just a disk and power, maybe a chip to handle the sound processing. There are many possibilities.

Again, I'd like to know how you are suggesting this hybrid would be sold. Is handheld only an option, with an SCD as a very expensive accessory? Or are the two bundled together and the entry price for NX skyrockets? Why do you think either of these options is better to just selling two separate devices that can work together but also work entirely independently of each other should the customer prefer. What is the advantage?

$199 handheld + $99 dock. $279 bundle. You keep thinking about the dock being a console, which doesn't make any sense.

I feel like this news justifies a new thread so the same questions don't need to be repeated every page

There was already a thread and got locked with the recommendation to wait for the leak to be published on the big gaming site.

 

[Rösti]

I feel like this news justifies a new thread so the same questions don't need to be repeated every page

What exactly is this news?

 

[AmyS]

Whatever the controller is, it MUST have analog L & R triggers which was stupidly omitted from the GamePad.

 

[Little Mons†er]

For far too long. It doesn't work like that in modern times.

It's a shame tbh. Being surprised is the best!

He is saying that the "leak" is planned. Apparently journalists have been talking to the chip manufacturers as well.

Oh its planned? Now this is getting more and more interesting!

Get perchED!

 

[Squall5042]

What exactly is this news?

Well, rumors of an imminent leak, I've seen threads with less basis being made

 

[LewieP]

No, there is no device that switches between 540p portable and 1080p docked if you're looking for the exact same resolutions.

But Shield K1 has a console mode that can be switched on when connected to the TV and changes the rendering resolution to 1080p and turns off the screen. I don't know how well it works because I don't have a Shield. But this wasn't my point. My point was that the same GPU is used in both portable and standalone Shield devices, so it seems to be fit for both more or less.

Yes the Shield K1, with a 1920x1200 screen is able to be plugged into a TV to play the same games at 1920x1080. This is not at all the same as what you are suggesting.

You can't just dismiss these numbers as not being "the exact same resolutions". Required system resources for a GPU increase in an almost linear scale as you increase resolution.

You need roughly 4x the GPU grunt to render the same game at 1080p than at 540p. No "console mode" will quadruple the performance of any chip.

The dock could have just a GPU (with its memory) and nothing more for example. In what world is that as expensive as a separate console. Or not even that, just a disk and power, maybe a chip to handle the sound processing. There are many possibilities.

$199 handheld + $99 dock. $279 bundle. You keep thinking about the dock being a console, which doesn't make any sense..

So the GPU is only wirelessly connected to the CPU and ram? Is that really the suggestion?

Any "dock" is going to need a CPU, GPU and ram. It's going to need some sort of mass storage, whether a disc/cart slot or a HDD or solid state memory. Plus a power supply.

You are essentially describing a console that for some reason isn't allowed to function on it's own, instead needs a handheld device connected to it.

 

[Big Green Anus]

Is the leak happening today?

 

[Clessidor]

Well, rumors of an imminent leak, I've seen threads with less basis being made

A thread did already exist and it was closed. We are waiting for the actual leak.

 

[Squall5042]

A thread did already exist and it was closed. We are waiting for the actual leak.

Ah, gotcha.

Well I'm hyped either way, I hope this pans out into some substational info.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

You must have heard of the scrolly shoulder buttons idea! And I'm thinking maybe a touchpad could replace the dpad and right stick, so magnesis would let you swipe up and down to change the distance instead of dpad buttons.

I did, I dont think thats the differences though.. idk. The way BoTW runs on Wii U I believe it has to have an upgraded version somewhere.

I feel like this news justifies a new thread so the same questions don't need to be repeated every page

It was already made and already locked

 

[KingSnake]

Yes the Shield K1, with a 1920x1200 screen is able to be plugged into a TV to play the same games at 1920x1080. This is not at all the same as what you are suggesting.

You can't just dismiss these numbers as not being "the exact same resolutions". Required system resources for a GPU increase in an almost linear scale as you increase resolution.

You need roughly 4x the GPU grunt to render the same game at 1080p than at 540p. No "console mode" will quadruple the performance of any chip.

Why don't you look at this the other way around. You have a device capable of rendering at 1080p, but if you use a native 540p resolution you can run your device at 25% of its capacity which possibly make it very power efficient.

Anyhow, I'm not convinced that the native resolution of the console mode for NX will be 1080p, so the difference in power is even less.

 

[Dagobert Duck]

kind of lol

Well then, you heard it here first

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Well, rumors of an imminent leak, I've seen threads with less basis being made

So a thread of about a presumable leak soon which will need a thread once the leak occurred that details an announcement of date of a reveal which will have its own thread.
Modding is hard

 

[AmyS]

So a thread of about a presumable leak soon which will need a thread once the leak occurred that details an announcement of date of a reveal which will have its own thread.
Modding is hard

Oh man, lol

 

[SweetDonuts]

A thread did already exist and it was closed. We are waiting for the actual leak.

Emily? The one who was sure about a gender choice in Zelda? Right.

 

[LewieP]

Why don't you look at this the other way around. You have a device capable of rendering at 1080p, but if you use a native 540p resolution you can run your device at 25% of its capacity which possibly make it very power efficient.

Anyhow, I'm not convinced that the native resolution of the console mode for NX will be 1080p, so the difference in power is even less.

Because I think it would be utter madness to design, manufacture and sell a device that for the majority of users it will only ever be running at 25% capacity just because sometimes they might connect it to their TV.

It would be borderline suicidal.

"We've filled our new handheld with super high end chips, but the games are going to be really basic because they're operating at 25% of their capacity because it's a hybrid". How is that an appealing pitch?

Same applies but to a lesser extent even if the games are 540p on the handheld and 720p on a TV.

 

[KingSnake]

Because I think it would be utter madness to design, manufacture and sell a device that for the majority of users it will only ever be running at 25% capacity just because sometimes they might connect it to their TV.

It would be borderline suicidal.

"We've filled our new handheld with super high end chips, but the games are going to be really basic because they're operating at 25% of their capacity because it's a hybrid". How is that an appealing pitch?

OK.

 

[R00bot]

Because I think it would be utter madness to design, manufacture and sell a device that for the majority of users it will only ever be running at 25% capacity just because sometimes they might connect it to their TV.

It would be borderline suicidal.

"We've filled our new handheld with super high end chips, but the games are going to be really basic because they're operating at 25% of their capacity because it's a hybrid". How is that an appealing pitch?

Same applies but to a lesser extent even if the games are 540p on the handheld and 720p on a TV.

Also just lowering the resolution doesn't change most of the game, thus wouldn't change the capacity used as much as expected. CPU and stuff still need to do the exact same amount of work.

 

[KingSnake]

Also just lowering the resolution doesn't change most of the game, thus wouldn't change the capacity used as much as expected. CPU and stuff still need to do the exact same amount of work.

There are Shield portable devices rendering at higher resolution than 540p (like the Tegra K1 tablet mentioned above). It was just an example. It just up to how much it needs to be underclocked to meet Nintendo power demands.

 

[AmyS]

Link to the SCD patent thread for those who haven't read it.

Really quite interesting. I had to read it a number of times before I even began to have a basic understanding of the ways it could work.

 

[Peterc]

Wasn't something along those lines rumored for Project Cafe's controller / Wii U GamePad screen ?

Might be mis-remembering,

We got this patent:

 

[R00bot]

There are Shield portable devices rendering at higher resolution than 540p (like the Tegra K1 tablet mentioned above). It was just an example. It just up to how much it needs to be underclocked to meet Nintendo power demands.

Doesn't it mostly run mobile games and older games? Can the shield portable run anything close to recent that isn't indie?

 

[The Horror the horror]

I'm more excited for the NX than I ever was for the Wii U at the same stage of development. Last time I was this amped for a Nintendo console was after the Gamecube. I knew Nintendo would bounce back with something different after that commercial failure, and I'm getting the same vibes now.

 

[Davey Cakes]

At first, a "leak" seems unfortunate for Nintendo but it really doesn't matter when the audience for said leak is a bunch of forum-dwelling Nintendo fans, tech heads, and gamers in general who are just really curious about what the thing is.

Nintendo has to worry more about the mainstream audience and how the NX is presented to them. That's what they have to plan for. The official reveal will be done on their terms but they can't keep everything on lockdown forever.

I'm looking forward to new information soon but I don't think it'll greatly lessen the impact of Nintendo's own reveal.

Basically, we already have the "when" for NX. We get the "what" very soon and the rest of the world (including those in Nintendo's potential markets who don't care yet or don't know they're supposed to care) gets that plus the "why" and "how" later when Nintendo themselves are ready.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Can the shield portable run anything close to recent that isn't indie?

Nope. But it's almost as old as the Wii U.

 

[orioto]

So is there really a leak coming ?? is this real ?

 

[Vena]

I wonder if the platform he mentions is NX: https://twitter.com/HenryHoffman/status/757866161979715584

NX to have no RAM! Everyone panic!

Spoiler

The actual discussion in the tweets is super cool.

 

[TheMagician]

Emily Rogers recent posts are that its a home console which will be great for those that love portable gaming.

Also that the specs fit within the realm of what is possible with that sort of hardware.

 

[Akki]

Still amazed that people think Nintendo are going to make a single extremely compromised device despite rudimentary logic and the scant few statements Nintendo have put out regarding NX contradict that notion.

I've never even heard anyone clearly explain what the advantages of a handheld that is also a home console would be. I don't think anyone suggesting it has really put enough thought into the blend of balanced thermal output, power consumption, resolution output and cost that the two device classes require. They are significantly different devices with very different usage scenarios, and are designed as such.

Yeah, I don´t get the appeal of a hybrid device. It will be expensive and only a small audience will use this feature.

Maybe there are 3 SKUs

NX console
NX handheld
NX hybrid (whatever this is)

Given the rumors the NX has to be a console. There´s no way a handheld could be nearly as strong as a XBO (Emily Rogers), could easily run XBO/PS4 ports (OsirisBlack) or have a better cpu than the HD twins (forgot the name).

The question is if there´s more than just the console part. I believe there has to be a handheld device because Nintendo needs to be successful on the japanese market. This is the only way how they can secure japanese support and if they execute their plans correctly this will also lead to a better home console support. If the system fails in Japan the developer will move to different systems. I don´t think a hybrid can accomplish this.

Personally I hope the old theory about the NX ecosystem is true. There will be a seperate NX console and handheld which will share most of the games. Both devices will launch in March 2017. They need a great start in Japan and this is only possible if there´s a handheld.

 

[ASIS]

Is the leak happening today?

What?! There's a leak coming? Why is everyone so hush hush this is major news if true!

But how confident are we that the info will be leaked today?

 

[AmyS]

Yeah, I don´t get the appeal of a hybrid device. It will be expensive and only a small audience will use this feature.

Maybe there are 3 SKUs

NX console
NX handheld
NX hybrid (whatever this is)

I'd say these 3 SKUs are more likely:

NX console
NX SCD
NX handheld

 

[LewieP]

Personally I hope the old theory about the NX ecosystem is true. There will be a seperate NX console and handheld which will share most of the games.

Less of a theory, more pretty much what Nintendo said it would be.

I don't know if they will launch two devices at once, but I expect they'll at least announce them together, even if they keep details of the one to launch last (likely the handheld) a bit more vague.