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FakeGAF 8: Overthirst
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Transhuman
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I guess I have to stop procrastinating and finally do the-
http://amp.smh.com.au/federal-polit...be-fined-government-says-20160809-gqot09.html
THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED JUST FOR ME
Nerdkiller
Membeur
Wake me up when the next thread starts.
You Know Nothing
Member
Can't wake up
No Man's Lies
(for context, people managed to be in the same location at the same time as eachother, already, and simply couldn't see eachother)
I told you this guy was basically Moly Jr. Been saying it forever and would always get yelled at for it. I have such great people intuition it's crazy
(for context, people managed to be in the same location at the same time as eachother, already, and simply couldn't see eachother)
I told you this guy was basically Moly Jr. Been saying it forever and would always get yelled at for it. I have such great people intuition it's crazy
To be fair I'm sympathetic to the nature of gamedev and how things change and how people ask questions you may not have final answers for, but still
You Know Nothing
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EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
No Man's Pie in the Sky
liliththepale
Banned
That's like Hillary email-scandal level of controversy. It's just people who want to hate the game latching onto whatever they can instead of actually talking about what real problems there are with the game as delivered. If a feature isn't listed at the point of sale then it doesn't need to be in the thing.
Here's a good comparison. In a couple of the trailers for Suicide Squad, the group is at a bar and Harley asks everyone what they want to drink. El Diablo says he just wants water, and Harley remarks that that's a good idea. This shot isn't in the movie, but that doesn't mean the trailers lied. It means the final cut of the movie was different than they thought it would be, and it's something that happens all the time with films. But if people were talking about how that scene is missing instead of how boring the movie is, it would be weird.
Talking about the missing multiplayer in a game where the devs stressed that multiplayer would be rare and impractical (possible or not) is stupid.
Here's a good comparison. In a couple of the trailers for Suicide Squad, the group is at a bar and Harley asks everyone what they want to drink. El Diablo says he just wants water, and Harley remarks that that's a good idea. This shot isn't in the movie, but that doesn't mean the trailers lied. It means the final cut of the movie was different than they thought it would be, and it's something that happens all the time with films. But if people were talking about how that scene is missing instead of how boring the movie is, it would be weird.
Talking about the missing multiplayer in a game where the devs stressed that multiplayer would be rare and impractical (possible or not) is stupid.
Nerdkiller
Membeur
liliththepale
Banned
Save us from the nothing we've become.
That's where I'm at. I'm actually really looking forward to Friday, plus hopefully the mod community is awesome for it.
I'm guessing the reason they've been cagey about the online interaction is it's an even more poorly implemented form of Dark Souls 1.
edit: Also isn't it listed as a single player game?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Trump just wants to take America back to when it was great - you know, when politicians actually shot at each other.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Pretty much. And I mean, I don't want to take the high horse faux superiority stance here (lies: I do), but I really feel it's been abundantly obvious exactly what No Man's Sky is for a very, very long time. It's like people are incapable of making critical judgment from footage and demo reels, and imbue the project's pitch with their own romanticized hopes and dreams and feel cheated when they don't come to fruition.
I haven't played it yet (waiting for PC), but all the reports both positive and negative speak volumes on exactly what I expected the game to be. I went from being overwhelmingly excited from the initial reveal, to finally pretty subdued and convinced I won't actually enjoy the game much, entirely because of the heavy empty procedural generation, resource gathering heavy formula evident in the numerous gameplay sessions shown.
And yeah, like the multiplayer, I get that being cheated sucks ass, but how many times did Sean and co have to stress over and over that multiplayer was so improbable it was basically negligible to not believe this to be true? They probably should have outright clarified the specifics because transparency is more valuable than ambiguity, but NMS has been so obviously billed as a solitary, almost lonely experience by nature of design and scope that you'd be a fool to expect anything else.
"All you do is gather resources to upgrade shit to get to the next procedural generation planet to look at animals that use remixed templates of stuff you've already seen", is literally how the game has looked for a year plus now. I partially blame Sony for seriously overinflating the hype and marketing machine behind No Man's Sky, but I also blame fans for not paying attention and lacking critical judgment skills and instead letting their wishes overrule reality.
But that's about on par for gaming criticism. Too often people don't actually want to discuss the nuances of what they do/don't like about a project, what works and what doesn't and more importantly why, and would instead prefer to whine about a game not being something that it was never promised to be.
This also. This is particularly evident on GAF the moment hardware/technology/engines come into discussion. Outside of a niche group of knowledgeable folk with an innate interest in the nitty gritty behind software and hardware, GAF is a terrible place to have a discussion about hardware/software pros and cons, what works and what does not, and what limitations software might have when being built for or ported to a platform.
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Transhuman
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Minecraft had multiplayer.
I didn't expect it to be a multiplayer game. But the guy did go on multiple talk shows -- He went on television -- And said you could see other players. He said you could play with your friends. That's not like some little incidental thing from a movie that got changed in editing later. That's just "shit that's not true" and he said it during multiple appearances.
One feature that I think would be neat in Ghost Song is some "loosely connected world" type stuff where you can see things where others have died -- or whatever. I looked into it a little but it's not going to end up in the game.
If someone asked me if my game has asynchronous multiplayer and loosely connected worlds, which is a logical question for a game patterning itself after Dark Souls in some ways, I wouldn't giggle and say "yes" repeatedly because I want to hype people up. I'd say "no" because it's no.
One feature that I think would be neat in Ghost Song is some "loosely connected world" type stuff where you can see things where others have died -- or whatever. I looked into it a little but it's not going to end up in the game.
If someone asked me if my game has asynchronous multiplayer and loosely connected worlds, which is a logical question for a game patterning itself after Dark Souls in some ways, I wouldn't giggle and say "yes" repeatedly because I want to hype people up. I'd say "no" because it's no.
Don't recall him ever saying you could play with your friends. What are you referring to?
And to EatChildren's point, after seeing someone complain that people were using outlets at an airport I think I'm totally done at being surprised by people's reactions to anything anymore.
And to EatChildren's point, after seeing someone complain that people were using outlets at an airport I think I'm totally done at being surprised by people's reactions to anything anymore.
Nerdkiller
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EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Right, and this is where transparency is important because it just sounds like a lie. Maybe it was planned and it got cut but Sean shouldn't have implied otherwise, or at least stuck to the narrative that player interactivity was borderline impossible and not verify anything else outside of that.
I seem to remember him saying outright that you can see other players in some form, and this was actually the only way you'd ever get a good look of what the player character looks like. And I mean, that's not vague, that's very specific even if the likelihood is routinely addressed as low.
Maybe it does have some Dark Souls-like shared data that maps player movements.
At a fraction of the size of NMS though, and with the option to host servers.
Baroquemantic
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Damn yo. The Love Below is still one of the best albums of all time. I been chillin to it for the past hour. There's just so many amazing tracks.
This guy has come off to me as kind of Molyneuxy from the start, and so when major features he bragged about on major platforms are simply missing from the game it's easy for me to draw conclusions. Easier when I find the game really boring.
And yes, development can be fluid, sometimes features get cut. But saying "you can play with your friends" multiple times then it just not being true isn't nothing.
liliththepale
Banned
Watch the video Jobbs linked.
Well at that point in development it was probably either an existing feature or a planned feature. I doubt he was actually lying, just describing something that eventually had to be cut for probably a few different reasons.
I suppose you could argue that he should have described as a planned feature instead of a certainty, but that language would get very stale and legalese super quickly.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I don't get a Molyneuxy vibe from Sean so I'll just disagree with you there. But yes, false information is false information, as highlighted in the post you quoted.
Is it Friday or Saturday for PC? I want to know so I can play it, get bored, and enjoy shitting up the OT.
Listen. I'm sensitive to the reality that in game dev features can change or be cut. But you can't really just give a free pass to this. "Can you play with your friends?" is such a major, elemental question about a game, and one that everyone understands. You have to be more careful with your words on stuff like this or you come off like a bullshit artist.
I understand about how you need to keep it succinct and not speak in legalese every second, but when it comes to such a major question you should know if it's a thing or not being answering.
I don't understand how you can't get a moly vibe out of this guy. All of his analogies about the size of the universe -- it'd take eight million years for every person on earth playing around the clock to see 1/10 of the planets in the game -- or whatever -- it's just bullshit for dumb people. You could say the same thing about seeing every combination of creature options in Spore. By that standard you'd never see every possible level in Spelunky even if you played for a hundred billion years.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
He did say you could play with friends, true.
But I don't get Molyneux from him. I get over-excited. Which is different. Still a negative? Kind of, but there is nothing to suggest that he just says shit to say it.
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Transhuman
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Minecraft also let players express their creativity though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz1sBi0-130&t=0m48s
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
wow i love booze
Me too, drunken dragonz, me too.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
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Hiiiiiiii drunk Em.
But anyhow, whenever he's said that I took it to mean it was similar to a Journey/Dark Souls approach of instances, or whatever map tracking they have behind the scenes. The clip of him saying you could play with your friends looks super early, probably from the reveal year, hadn't seen anything backing that up in the last year 1/2.
This sort of backlash was expected, but I still think it's silly that it's latched onto a feature that wasn't prominent to the game's pitch.
Didn't realize the link was to a post with links to videos, thought it was to that thread in general.
But anyhow, whenever he's said that I took it to mean it was similar to a Journey/Dark Souls approach of instances, or whatever map tracking they have behind the scenes. The clip of him saying you could play with your friends looks super early, probably from the reveal year, hadn't seen anything backing that up in the last year 1/2.
This sort of backlash was expected, but I still think it's silly that it's latched onto a feature that wasn't prominent to the game's pitch.
Looks like early Saturday morning.
I never expected it to be a prominently multiplayer game, but I'll admit that early on one of the things that captured my imagination was sharing a universe where maybe you might have the rare exciting event of seeing another player. That actually was a captivating thought, and it's one that they pedaled.
And it wasn't true.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Listen. I'm sensitive to the reality that in game dev features can change or be cut. But you can't really just give a free pass to this. "Can you play with your friends?" is such a major, elemental question about a game, and one that everyone understands. You have to be more careful with your words on stuff like this or you come off like a bullshit artist.
I understand about how you need to keep it succinct and not speak in legalese every second, but when it comes to such a major question you should know if it's a thing or not being answering.
I know. I agree. Which is why I said I remember him saying you had to meet another player to see what you look like. Which is obvious bullshit if such game systems are not implemented.
They marketed the game with technically accurate terminology which is indeed "bullshit for dumb people" if you want to be a cynic about it but really so fucking what. It's a truth, if it's true, and if you're not an idiot it doesn't take long to deduce that the probability of high similarity between multiple planetary bodies numbering in the billions is just like real life. Or even more similar because video games.
I don't know, I guess I just don't give a shit? I hear "bazillion trillion crazy planets" and I'm like okay, that's true, I get that, it's not a lie, but I also expect most of them to be alarmingly similar because video game technology is limited and you can only have a few billion of something before you run out of options. I don't feel robbed or cheated yet (note: haven't played the game) because I guess that was my cynical expectation from the start.
I have a house party up the road on Saturday, so I can get back early Sunday morning and drunkenly shitpost about how much I hate it.
liliththepale
Banned
Fair enough. I'm certainly not going to die fighting on that hill.
That said...
That said...
Was there any update or statement regarding that instance of the two friends going to the same place and not seeing each other? Regarding servers, or feature not implemented, or whatever?
Because I had the same shit happen in Dark Souls 1.
The dueling flannel in the gif is hypnotizing me. I forgot what we're talking about.
I dunno. I'm only latching onto this because it supports previous assumptions I've had about this guy.
I dunno. I'm only latching onto this because it supports previous assumptions I've had about this guy.
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Transhuman
Unconfirmed Member
I remember when Bungie said that Destiny players would be able to play with their friends cross-platform. I remember when David Jaffe lied about Twisted Metal. Basically don't trust someone whose job it is to make you buy their shit. What lies are you telling Jobbs? Is Ghost Song coming to XBLA instead of PC? Does it require a constant internet connection? Is the VA really Ashley Frangipane? I don't know who to trust anymore.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The only lie is that Jobbs is a True American.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
It always fascinates me when tiny little details and cool shit from early game footage and talk is cut for unspecified reasons. It's really trivial but the real time meditation in Witcher 3 is an example of that. I love seeing that kind of stuff in open world games with their dynamic day/night and weather cycles. Early footage had it, then it was gutted from the retail release.
Didn't take long for modders to add it back in, right down to a little animation of Geralt sitting and starting a bonfire.
My lies tend to be sweet and little, as they should be.
liliththepale
Banned
Patty pedaled her paddywagon through the puddle to peddle petals.
Maddie medaled for meddling in metals with mettle in the middle of a meadow.
Cunnilingus practice?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Needs more phonetic Ls.
Lili loves lapping ladyparts lovingly and lasciviously?
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