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[*Splinter]

First time I called WAMD out and she responded:

Last? Who's the 3rd?

Oops I misread. I thought it was you. Sorry!

Later she responded again:

When I typed this, I had assumed that Blarg was right and that three contestants were already out. Blarg, Kawl, and Stan. Stan had yet to come out and say that he was NOT a contestant, and I was just kind of skimming through posts because there was a lot of Blarg bullshit, so I made an assumption. It was honestly a matter of me misreading (or lack thereof) and assuming things and has nothing to do with me accidentally giving away information. I went back and reread it after you made a stink about it and realized that Stan had yet to say shit about it.

But if you want to keep riding that bus, go for it.

Alright, I'll drop the hyperbole this time. This "could" be just another honest mistake. But it's a pretty clear contradiction and she's only describing her own thoughts.

As much as I'd love to see Blarg lynched today, this is now the safer bet for scum.

VOTE: WhereAreMahDargaonz

 

[Karkador]

Well I be. I guess assuming that a doctor could exist is just as out there as an imaginary 21st player who is pulling the strings around us all.

You got me Kark.

Okay, back up. I'm not trying to catch you off guard. You're reducing the variety of speculative points I'm making to the most outlandish one (a hidden player omitted from the roster). I've presented a lot of different speculation. This is because I might not live to talk about this on D2.

I'm not even backing the "player #21" idea as much as the other ideas I'm putting out there. I more so think the starting # is odd, that the N0 with no kill is odd. I do think, out of caution, that there is more to the bidding game than just an RNG hand-out of items from God. And I'm waiting to see if the Power of the Cloud strikes down the lucky winner with lightning.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Let's say WAMD's slip was real. There are only three ways this could've happened:

1. She's scum and one of her partners told them. If this is true, then would that partner still claim to be a contestant? If WAMD dies and flips scum, then suspicion falls on the other contestants.

If, however, Kawl really isn't a contestant as he claims, scum could be staying silent and Corn and CM as unknowing townies just cleared them.

2. She was actually a contestant, and town. Why wouldn't she come forward then? It would be super easy at that point to catch someone else in a lie.

3. She's a PR and knows someone is a contestant. Considering she didn't refute anyone's claim, someone must be telling the truth. Maybe that someone is worth protecting?

 

[Kawl_USC]

Okay, back up. I'm not trying to catch you off guard. You're reducing the variety of speculative points I'm making to the most outlandish one (a hidden player omitted from the roster). I've presented a lot of different speculation. This is because I might not live to talk about this on D2.

I'm not even backing the "player #21" idea as much as the other ideas I'm putting out there. I more so think the starting # is odd, that the N0 with no kill is odd. I do think, out of caution, that there is more to the bidding game than just an RNG hand-out of items from God. And I'm waiting to see if the Power of the Cloud strikes down the lucky winner with lightning.

You made several, somewhat lengthy, posts about our hidden 21st player. And the idea that perhaps they decided who bid on the item.

That was the only point that I found ludicrous. I didn't deride your other points of speculation because they at least presented the facsimile of being reasonable.

At least one other person asked if you were being serious with this and you didn't clarify. I don't think that level of rampant asspulling does town any good.

Now if your role or pm were to hint at something like this I apologize for being brusque but between this, plinko, and the override nonsense I find myself short on patience.

 

[Sawneeks]

That's a pretty nail there Splinter. Easily worth 1000 points.

Will wait for Dragonz response.

Though I still want to see Blarg lynched

Hey dawg I was just explaining why it tracks that splinter was all up in wamds grill and left that comment from melon alone.

Go reap some more.

....

kawl you're making less sense than normal. how many fingers am i holding up?

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Let's say WAMD's slip was real. There are only three ways this could've happened:

1. She's scum and one of her partners told them. If this is true, then would that partner still claim to be a contestant? If WAMD dies and flips scum, then suspicion falls on the other contestants.

If, however, Kawl really isn't a contestant as he claims, scum could be staying silent and Corn and CM as unknowing townies just cleared them.

2. She was actually a contestant, and town. Why wouldn't she come forward then? It would be super easy at that point to catch someone else in a lie.

3. She's a PR and knows someone is a contestant. Considering she didn't refute anyone's claim, someone must be telling the truth. Maybe that someone is worth protecting?

Yeah well none of these happened because I'm vanilla fucking town

 

[Sawneeks]

Yeah well none of these happened because I'm vanilla fucking town

Question.

Why did you initially think it was Splinter who claimed to play but then later said you thought it was Stan?

 

[Kawl_USC]

That's a pretty nail there Splinter. Easily worth 1000 points.

Will wait for Dragonz response.

Though I still want to see Blarg lynched



....

kawl you're making less sense than normal. how many fingers am i holding up?

You asked why splinter didn't jump on the post you quoted a while back when it came before the wamd post he got all up in. I explained how they were different. I'm saying his logic is consistent regardless of whether I believe it is valid.

Also 4 fingers. Wait no, 7. And I always make sense dude.

 

[*Splinter]

Let's say WAMD's slip was real. There are only three ways this could've happened:

1. She's scum and one of her partners told them. If this is true, then would that partner still claim to be a contestant? If WAMD dies and flips scum, then suspicion falls on the other contestants.

If, however, Kawl really isn't a contestant as he claims, scum could be staying silent and Corn and CM as unknowing townies just cleared them.

2. She was actually a contestant, and town. Why wouldn't she come forward then? It would be super easy at that point to catch someone else in a lie.

3. She's a PR and knows someone is a contestant. Considering she didn't refute anyone's claim, someone must be telling the truth. Maybe that someone is worth protecting?

Huh... 1 is a good point actually

 

[Sawneeks]

You asked why splinter didn't jump on the post you quoted a while back when it came before the wamd post he got all up in. I explained how they were different. I'm saying his logic is consistent regardless of whether I believe it is valid.

Do you not believe Splinter caught Dragonz is a lie?

Also 4 fingers. Wait no, 7. And I always make sense dude.

that last part is debatable.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Question.

Why did you initially think it was Splinter who claimed to play but then later said you thought it was Stan?

I thought Stan was the third and splinter the fourth. I thought Stan had claimed to be a contestant but in reality it was just me misreading the conversation that I partially skipped because Blarg was annoying me. I meant what I said about "thought it was you" in regards to splinter being the fourth, not the third.

 

[Sophia]

oceanicair (0)
dusk soldier 53 (333)

cornbro (0)
*splinter 56 (153)

stanleypalmtree (0)
sawneeks 64 (307)

wherearemahdragonz (2)
*splinter 153 (350)
blargonaut 365
kyanrute 423

karkador (0)
blargonaut 206 (208)

magnumboy20xx (1)
blargonaut 215 (231)
karkador 222

blargonaut (4)
sawneeks 307
dusk soldier 333
wherearemahdragonz 336
*splinter 350 (501)
kawl_usc 454

dusk solder (1)
magnumboy20xx 327 (331)
magnumboy20xx 331

*splinter (0)
kyanrute 370 (423)
melonrabbit 383 (413)

wherearemahdargaonz (1)
*splinter 501

Majority is 11

Day 1 ends in

 

[Karkador]

You made several, somewhat lengthy, posts about our hidden 21st player. And the idea that perhaps they decided who bid on the item.

Now you're just lying or not reading my posts. This is all I've I said of a "Player #21"

Call me crazy, but I think there's an invisible player; an invisible hand in all of this. The game is rigged. There's a #21.

Personally, I find myself split between Blarg and Dusk.

Blarg lied about the Xbox, and I've been trying to figure out what the motive is. He may have rushed out of the gate because he thought the other bidders were announced along with him. Or maybe the bidders actually do know each other via PM. But if he is hiding sometjing, he felt it better to confess something than hide everything.

On the other hand, Dusk is folding under pressure, with each new explanation for his weirdness drawing my suspicion. He's even had a potential teammate try to play defense for him with the same weird logic.

But there's other questions I have.

Maybe the bidders aren't RNGed, but selected - by a player, perhaps even by player #21.

RNG would seem 'fair', but it still takes away a bit of player agency - on the other hand, this "picking a group for nighttime fun" thing is likely informed by however it shook out in Archer mafia.

If a player (or players..) did choose the group, they would be able to verify the accuracy of who claims they were picked - but that's very risky.


Nevertheless, I think Blarg coming Hot Out The Door#2 on that claik suggests that he felt he needed to jump the gun on somebody.

I spend more time talking about things other than a potential Player #21. It's not "several, somewhat lengthy posts".

At least one other person asked if you were being serious with this and you didn't clarify. I don't think that level of rampant asspulling does town any good.

I did:

Well I don't know if there's a #21, but I do think the even-numbered player count is an unusual thing that's being counter-balanced in some unusual way.

How is that not clarifying? I then explained what the problem with an even-numbered start is, as clear as I could. I have been pretty clear that there are a number of ways that can be countered, not just a hidden player shenanigans.

But again, I do think we should expect some kind of shenanigans with the bidding game.

Now if your role or pm were to hint at something like this I apologize for being brusque but between this, plinko, and the override nonsense I find myself short on patience.

Nobody seems too phased about MagnumBoy.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

Huh... 1 is a good point actually

Regardless of WAMD's alignment. I do think that there is a strong possibility that one of the contestants was scum, and they had a teammate come into this thread and claim they placed a bid.

--

Also we've got a around 90 mins left and I think over half the players here haven't even voted once.

 

[Sawneeks]

I thought Stan was the third and splinter the fourth. I thought Stan had claimed to be a contestant but in reality it was just me misreading the conversation that I partially skipped because Blarg was annoying me. I meant what I said about "thought it was you" in regards to splinter being the fourth, not the third.

What part of the conversation did you misread?

Also the 'thought it was you' seems, at least to me, that you thought Splinter was the 3rd and final contestant and not the other way around with Stan being 3rd and Splints being 4th.

 

[El Topo]

If you vote, please make sure your spelling is correct, Splinter.

 

[StarSketch]

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[Sophia]

If you vote, please make sure your spelling is correct, Splinter.

Spelling mistakes will be accepted only if I get my sub sandwich before the day phase, because I can't be assed to manually fix it on an empty stomach.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I'm not gonna be able to be on much from this point on cause I'm at work, but you're gonna be lynching vanilla town if you don't believe me. Call my bluff if you feel so inclined. When I flip town, look at Splinter.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

What part of the conversation did you misread?

Also the 'thought it was you' seems, at least to me, that you thought Splinter was the 3rd and final contestant and not the other way around with Stan being 3rd and Splints being 4th.

It was not that at all. I read the flavor and then blarg's "all the contestants are confirmed in the opening post!!" and then skipped a good chunk of it so i just put two and two together but was wrong, obviously.

 

[Sawneeks]

Unfortunately I have to leave for work and probably won't be here for the end of the Day. >.>;

I'll try to squeeze some time in but I promise nothing and will likely deliver less than that.

My vote on Blarg is going to stay but I'm really not opposed to a Dragonz lynch anymore.

 

[Karkador]

I doubt Dragonz is scum

 

[melonrabbit]

I don't feel confident in a Blarg lynch.

VOTE: WhereAreMahDragonz

 

[StarSketch]

Alright, I back read and we're split between Dragons and Blarg right now?

I pick....

Vote: Blargonaut

Still totally open to Dragons getting voted on, of course.

 

[Karkador]

How did we get away from the Dusk Soldier topic, anyway?

 

[El Topo]

I'd prefer to keep Blarg around for now. We can still lynch him later and should he be town, then any day he survives he'll be a thorn in mafia's side. I definitely won't vote for Blarg today.

 

[Kawl_USC]

I would take the lack of response regarding the plinko choice as less a statement on magnum and more of a statement on how little people believe you after repeated gambits tbqh.

 

[StarSketch]

I would take the lack of response regarding the plinko choice as less a statement on magnum and more of a statement on how little people believe you after repeated gambits tbqh.

I had zero intent on voting on whoever lost Plinko, I was just bored.

 

[OceanicAir]

Alright, I back read and we're split between Dragons and Blarg right now?

I pick....

Vote: Blargonaut

Still totally open to Dragons getting voted on, of course.

Of course! Because you've made it so clear before. And after going silent for so long you only have to say this?

vote: StarSketch

I have heard anything remotely relevant besides Blarg v Dusk or Blarg v Dragonz

 

[Kalor]

I'm split on who to vote for. Blarg will continue to be a topic of discussion as the game goes on and potentially distract from other players. While Dragonz has made their "slip" I don't know if it necessarily proves they are scum.

Vote: Blargonaut

Though Karkador might override and make the outcome of the vote worthless if he's telling the truth.

 

[Ynnek7]

VOTE: dusk soldier

Placing a vote on dusk soldier right now for a couple reasons.

1) I want to make sure I know how to highlight before the day ends.
2) He's who magnum has a vote on.
3) On the off chance that Karkador does override Magnum, it was my last LEFT that put it on him. Figured I'd owe him one.

 

[Karkador]

The outcome of the vote isn't worthless, it's still stuff to look at

 

[StarSketch]

I'm split on who to vote for. Blarg will continue to be a topic of discussion as the game goes on and potentially distract from other players. While Dragonz has made their "slip" I don't know if it necessarily proves they are scum.

Vote: Blargonaut

Though Karkador might override and make the outcome of the vote worthless if he's telling the truth.

Are we really going to believe Kark has an override? and that he's going to blow it on a random? Really?

Of course! Because you've made it so clear before. And after going silent for so long you only have to say this?

vote: StarSketch

I have heard anything remotely relevant besides Blarg v Dusk or Blarg v Dragonz

K dude. I was busy.

 

[Kyanrute]

VOTE: *Splinter

Out of everyone, Splinter feels the worst for me. I don't fancy a Blarg. Dusk's plan is silly but very normal for him. While I disagree with Dragonz about Blarg, that is something I myself could be wrong about. The slip is interesting, but I wouldn't call that conclusive. Splinter is the strongest feeling I have.

 

[Karkador]

Are we really going to believe Kark has an override? and that he's going to blow it on a random? Really?

It wasn't random. You even contributed!

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

If kark does legitimately have an override that he is going to use on me because of plinko, I just want you guys to know....I intentionally steered the line towards me.

I was wanting to see if scum would try to jump on the bandwagon, sadly the only two people who did was blarg and kark. I don't consider that a sign that blarg is scum though, since he unvoted me after I did that "find the frequency" equation like he said he would.

I'm going to keep my vote where it is, unless some major revelation is made before the end of this phase. I tried my best to find scum with the little information we have, after all it's only day 1.

 

[StarSketch]

Actually, you know what?

I'm just going to ask this straight out:

Kark, do you seriously have an override?

If you don't, why lie about something like that? If you do, Why threaten to use it on a random?

Then again, if you're lying it probably was for the lulz. You know, like Plinko.

 

[StarSketch]

It wasn't random. You even contributed!

Ok, "Democratically selected." Whatever.

 

[Karkador]

Yes, it's a one-shot override, and I wanted to use it today. I came up with the plinko idea to select the target. I wanted to also be careful to not discourage any regular voting today.

 

[Karkador]

Magnum, I also suggest, if you have a role, just stay quiet and let it flip.

:majora's mask end of day music:

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

All I'm going to say is this: Do not disregard anything I have posted today. I have legitimately tried to help town. Even if I don't win, I still want you guys to.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

All I'm going to say is this: Do not disregard anything I have posted today. I have legitimately tried to help town. Even if I don't win, I still want you guys to.

Are you claiming neutral? With 30 minutes left in the first day?

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

WAMD I think made an honest mistake.

Blarg defended himself pretty well, and even though I don't agree with his methods he is sticking by his guns.

I don't have a good feeling about Dusk. A little too much metagaming, I think.

Splinter has been his usual aggressive self but has picked the WAMD hill to die on. But since it's D1 I expect him to wriggle out of it if WAMD flips town.

VOTE: *Splinter

 

[*Splinter]

Shit, sorry

VOTE: WhereAreMahDragonz

I thought Stan was the third and splinter the fourth. I thought Stan had claimed to be a contestant but in reality it was just me misreading the conversation that I partially skipped because Blarg was annoying me. I meant what I said about "thought it was you" in regards to splinter being the fourth, not the third.

No this makes even less sense. I asked you who you thought was the third, you said me. Later you said Stan. An honest mistake is always possible, but your explanation here doesn't fit anything.

LP did have a good point, I don't know why scum would claim when you've maybe outed one of them, but this is too many contradictions to ignore.

 

[Kalor]

This is too quiet. I would have expected more voting hijinks if either Dragonz or Blarg were scum.

 

[El Topo]

It is 6-5 for Blarg right now, right?

 

[*Splinter]

WAMD I think made an honest mistake.

Blarg defended himself pretty well, and even though I don't agree with his methods he is sticking by his guns.

I don't have a good feeling about Dusk. A little too much metagaming, I think.

Splinter has been his usual aggressive self but has picked the WAMD hill to die on. But since it's D1 I expect him to wriggle out of it if WAMD flips town.

VOTE: *Splinter

Ehm, wtf. "Wriggle out"? Why would I need to wriggle out of lynching someone who has contradicted themselves numerous times and possibly revealed info they weren't supposed to have?

No, if Dragonz is town she has noone to blame but herself, you won't hear an apology out of me, that's ridiculous.

 

[Sophia]

It is 6-5 for Blarg right now, right?

Vote tool shows 6 for Blarg, 3 for Dragonz.

oceanicair (0)
dusk soldier 53 (333)

cornbro (0)
*splinter 56 (153)

stanleypalmtree (0)
sawneeks 64 (307)

wherearemahdragonz (3)
*splinter 153 (350)
blargonaut 365
kyanrute 423 (534)
melonrabbit 523
*splinter 544

karkador (0)
blargonaut 206 (208)

magnumboy20xx (1)
blargonaut 215 (231)
karkador 222

blargonaut (6)
sawneeks 307
dusk soldier 333
wherearemahdragonz 336
*splinter 350 (501)
kawl_usc 454
starsketch 524
kalor 530

dusk solder (1)
magnumboy20xx 327 (331)
magnumboy20xx 331

*splinter (2)
kyanrute 370 (423)
melonrabbit 383 (413)
kyanrute 534
lone_prodigy 543

wherearemahdargaonz (0)
*splinter 501 (544)

starsketch (1)
oceanicair 529

dusk soldier (1)
ynnek7 531

Majority is 11.

Day 1 ends in

 

[El Topo]

Vote tool shows 6 for Blarg, 3 for Dragonz.

Ah, good, good. We should avoid a tie.

 

[*Splinter]

Topo you don't have a vote down?