YankeeDonB
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No way, story-driven semi-open world rpgs with killer soundtracks. They're bedfellows, not enemies (odd bed-fellows, but nonetheless).
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Final Fantasy XV Hands-On Demo (Chapter 0-3) Previews
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No way, story-driven semi-open world rpgs with killer soundtracks. They're bedfellows, not enemies (odd bed-fellows, but nonetheless).
DarkLordMalik
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Speaking of which, going back to the original Jump Festa 2015 re-reveal trailer, Nocits was talking about meeting Luna in Altissia for marriage.
In the 52 minutes footage, there is no such thing any more and they simply get the news about the invasion from a newspaper. I don't see any mention of Luna or marriage here or is the story basically cut from that footage?
NoctisVsStar
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He gets congratulated on his upcoming wedding.. Remember that footage is cut up.
Big creatures certainly push for technical demand, the type of thing TW3 doesn't have,
but you had to resort to a set pieced focused game which alone shows how FFXV can seemingly be compared to several titles/genres
and it still pull it off with some graphical downgrades to the fault of consoles.
Keep undermining it though.
Because this isn't "technically demanding"
okay
AkirraKrylon
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The 52 minutes of footage is cut up a lot. There is a lot of plot that we aren't seeing clearly. Even the scene where Ignis comes in with the newspaper jumps from one point in the conversation to the next. Lot of dialogue missing.
chozen
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You just compared an ant to an elephant. That thing isn't even bigger than a Behemoth or Iron Giant.
butman
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It's fucking awful. Not sure if those guys played a PC demo or what. I made a gif.
It must be XBOne version.
Blackleg-sanji1
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I literally do not care anymore because you guys do this every thread where were to the point it outta be a separate thread for the discussion but um.. unless my eyes are deceiving me...those are completely different scales
Answers like that is how you give the impression that you are a serious fan of this game, so much so, that any faults that have to do with it, are simply justified for various reasons.
Instead you could question yourself all those years of development hell, the numerous changes in pretty much every facet of its production, the poor showings and generally the way SE works for the past 10+ years.
Also, its not like SE have a tremendous experience in regards to open world games or something...
And finally, that still you posted from FFXV... if that looks impressive to you, then I rest my case.
chozen
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Noctis is smaller than the adamantoises pupil and this guy pulled out some 8 ft beast
Yes especially when you don't take into consideration that the texture when Noctis gets close to the titan to fight it looks like complete shit
DarkLordMalik
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There is graphical parity between both of them, as confirmed by Tabata.
That's a simple snapshot of a highly compressed video from a livestream that was uploaded to Twitter. It is not even direct-feed video, lmao. The textures will look piss poor compared to your super sampled PC screenshot of Witcher 3
TheGreatDirector
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It's fucking awful. Not sure if those guys played a PC demo or what. I made a gif.
That area is lacking the crowd density the previous versions of FFXV had.
NoctisVsStar
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True, the art style of P5 and Nier does help mitigate a lot of problems. We all seen the footage of XV running on a dev PC and it's amazing but that's besides the point since they have make it work for the consoles that we all payed for. In that regard they aren't getting no pity from me.
ãInaba Residentã
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Both sides are really dragging down XV threads
someone said you got to choose Duscae, Platinum and a 3rd.....I wonder if the 3rd one was the one with the wait system?
NoctisVsStar
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『Inaba Resident』;214093119 said:
It's always the same thing over and over. But you get accused of defending it against legit criticism.. So I just stay shut.. both sides at this point in time are unbearable.
chozen
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I admit to the graphical downgrade and that seems to be your biggest complaint as well, yet somehow that bogs down everything else this game has to offer cause...?
FFXV looks impressive to millions cept for those who realized the downgrades, but there is an appealing game underneath that.
You probably need a quick refresher of what the game has to offer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP3eq8eou6c < take one quick minute.
if that isn't "impressive" by any means then you are full of hyperbole.
Blackleg-sanji1
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I just wanna talk about the game..find myself"arguing"(if I can even call it) about it more often than not. Than there's you guys and the darn neo
TheGreatDirector
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The inherent problem of the game though is that the art-style heavily relies on the game looking as photo realistic as possible. When that's the case, basic things like lighting, IQ, AA, draw distance, and pop-in issues become all the more important.
I was not talking about scale, it was mostly about the fact that only "scale" mattered reading that post, like because TW3 creatures are not as big they are not technically demanding as well
You can make a damn giant with poor texture work and as imprerssive as it will be to fight , it will still look poor
Also "you guys", first time i ever engage in "discussion" in this thread but i guess i should just keep out from now on
And i wasn't the one to bring TW3 into the thread as well
Oh you took out the "pathetic" good on you sir
NoctisVsStar
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No lies detected.
DarkConfidant
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But...but...but..we have to pessimistic. It's Final Fantasy!
Turns out when you actually play the game, instead of imagining shit while reading threads about how characters you barely know have changed, your opinion of it is generally positive.
Death Penalty
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I felt Duscae's visuals were enough to let the art design come through and shine, hence why they would be enough for me. I don't speak for everyone, of course.
chozen
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Your comparison was laughably pathetic. There you go.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Wait it was two different versions? So how do people know what to look for than?
button prompts lol
Expected nothing less
Anyway, i got the 90$ version pre-ordered anyway, i just hope that i'll warm up to the combat system more once the game releases, plat. demo i didn't really like
Blackleg-sanji1
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Lol no I meant the graphics
orthodoxy1095
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Let's say I like banter and care about their relationships.
What happens if any of the banter starts repeating? Is there really going to be enough continuously flowing dialogue to justify the car rolling at 20 mile an hour the entire game?
...watch for the button prompt to know wich version it is?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Well, with the shurikens you can attack from a distance, the backflip makes you pretty much invincible and a warp strike will stun the giant for quite some time. You only have to worry about regular attacks that can hit you in the air, the ground stuff and AoE stuff is as easy to avoid as just slightly moving the left stick while attacking.
I didn't quite look at the numbers to see if we do more damage with aerial attacks, though, so maybe they could buff that, but I found the balance very decent. It was much harder to get hit while in the air, and once you stun the enemy you can go for the greatsword attacks to build back MP. It'll also probably be the only way to deal with some fights, and a decent way to avoid getting hit by multiple enemies.
You do lose the OP parry though, so there's that.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Ooo that's what he meant. Thx
Thank you
It is rich in features yes. Although that video was made by a serious fanboy, at one point it seemed like he was going to include walking as a feature...
But yes the game has a lot of features. Point is, I have 2 major gripes and no graphics is not among my 2 most serious issues.
Number 1 is the world. The environment video was impressive, I liked that. But the in between looks so barren, so bland... i was looking at the 50 minute video and there was not even one moment that I saw something interesting enough in the distance to shout : "wow, I want to go there".
Number 2 is the combat. I am not still convinced. Not because I believe it is shallow, yes I have played numerous times the PD (also played Duscae) , yes i get the aerial combat and how things work, but it somehow doesnt click with me. Warping to a safe location to wait for your health/mp to go up is such a pace killer for me... also the hit detection and the overall character response is just sub par. I guess if I could over simplify it, it just doesnt feel "nice".
Granted that could be much better now, but these 2 things as well as graphics downgrade, the development hell the game has been through and the completely questionable competence of SE the past 10+ years, doesnt give me much hope.
I want the game to be great. I really do. But what I have seen thus far, a lot of it is rather disappointing. Mostly in terms of execution.
vainglorious
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Well at least we have a definitive answer for KH3 and FF7R moving to Unreal.
What's amazing to me is that if this is master copy of the game that was going to ship in Sept - when the fuck did they even begin optimization for current gen hardware? I know all game development starts on PC but it looks like they got Luminous to finally cooperate with them on high end PC hardware maybe a year or so ago and when they began porting everything to Xbox One and PS4 something just fucking broke and they've been forced to make hard sacrifices and cuts everywhere. Like what the fuck.
I'm not expecting any significant graphical improvements with only a 2 month delay, especially knowing the history this company has had with engines. White Engine, Crystal Tools, Luminous - it's all shit.
What's amazing to me is that if this is master copy of the game that was going to ship in Sept - when the fuck did they even begin optimization for current gen hardware? I know all game development starts on PC but it looks like they got Luminous to finally cooperate with them on high end PC hardware maybe a year or so ago and when they began porting everything to Xbox One and PS4 something just fucking broke and they've been forced to make hard sacrifices and cuts everywhere. Like what the fuck.
I'm not expecting any significant graphical improvements with only a 2 month delay, especially knowing the history this company has had with engines. White Engine, Crystal Tools, Luminous - it's all shit.
Perhaps. This game is all about the roadtrip feel, so I guess it will contain tons of dialogue.
Ans if they eventually repeat. Just sit and enjoy the beautiful scenery of Eos. Also the great music on the radio.
nelsonroyale
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Sure, but that is a rather non-specific statement. For instance, I think Ramuh in Duscae, froma visual perspective, looked quite a bit more impressive than any beast enemy in W3 and I suspect we will fight him in game as well. Say what you want about FFXV, but I think it is hard to dispute that the creatures at least look impressive. The gigantic bird for instance in the footage, looked quite a bit more impressive to me than say the Griffins in W3. Visually, I think probably the enemies in Blood and Wine are the most impressive in Witcher, but I didn't find any really stood out in terms of scale or complexity.
When did Tabata mention that? I can't remember.There is graphical parity between both of them, as confirmed by Tabata.
That's a simple snapshot of a highly compressed video from a livestream that was uploaded to Twitter. It is not even direct-feed video, lmao. The textures will look piss poor compared to your super sampled PC screenshot of Witcher 3
Here's how it was explained to me when I bugged a SE PR rep @ E3.
road trip to get married>kingsglaive happens> go back to Insomnia to see the city is taken over. > Realize you and you bros can't take back your city alone> Explore the world in search of a power*then he gestured towards the demo stations of the trial of titan*
basically go around the world enlisting the help of the Archeans
It's basically Mass Effect 3's general outline. Except instead of recruiting alien races it's massive summon monsters, and apparently collecting also Lucian swords/the ring from Luna.
CrimsonSquall
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No bullshit, I am really struggling to see how there is a comparison being made here still. How is that more demanding than that big ass adamantoise, I want an explanation and I'm not attempting to pick a side I just don't see it
orthodoxy1095
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About the fast travel on car thing, I have to agree. At least make it an option on NG+/future playthroughs once you beat the game once.
As someone who really enjoys replaying games I like, doing nothing while I wait for the car to get me to where I want to go next will absolutely get boring quickly after my first time with the game.
Don't worry, game devs, I'm not that much of an idiot, I can (and will) take in the environments and explore the hell out of that world by myself, no need to force it on me for every playthrough.
Unless the Chocobo can get me everywhere, and I can just ignore the car for the whole game (except for some scripted segments, probably), then it's fine not to have the fast travel. It would still be good, though.
As someone who really enjoys replaying games I like, doing nothing while I wait for the car to get me to where I want to go next will absolutely get boring quickly after my first time with the game.
Don't worry, game devs, I'm not that much of an idiot, I can (and will) take in the environments and explore the hell out of that world by myself, no need to force it on me for every playthrough.
Unless the Chocobo can get me everywhere, and I can just ignore the car for the whole game (except for some scripted segments, probably), then it's fine not to have the fast travel. It would still be good, though.
xion4360
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here are the transitions based on what im seeing. gamersyde footage.
Chapter 0 scene - may be PS4 due to the start menu prior being PS4, and the higher resolution of the scene.
Chapter 1 opening - Xbox
Cindy scene forward - PS4
Around 25:50 mark the Diner menu - xbox.
about 37:33 mark - starting from the cut right after prompto countdown and the door is locked is PS4 again.
about 39:15 mark - scene with noct on the phone with cor is once again xbox.
starting at the chapter 3 pont, it becomes a heavy mix of footage but look at any on screen buttons.
The start with the chocobo guy asking you to take out deadeye is Xbox.
trackign deadeye ps4.
fighting deadeye down to mission complete is xbox.
chocobo menu is ps4.
chocobo riding and racing is xbox and so is fishing.
cid modding scene, garula hunt ps4.
warping noctis in white shirt is xbox followed by ps4 and back and forth a couple times.
driving into lestallum scene going forward seems to be all ps4.
Im impressed at how much of a noticeable difference there is between the xbox and ps4 footage.. xbox looks much worse.. if they just fix the framerate drops and some minor texture pop in on ps4 it will look really nice. The effects and motion blur are very good. Xbox has more pop in, way blurrier and screen tearing.
"9. Status Effects"
"15. Parkour"
That 200h hours of content
What's this from? the only thing i heard about lenght was 40h+10h of extra quest from the 4chan leak
I dunno, Breaking Bad's story sounds pretty awesome to me! Haha.
But I mean seriously, Final Fantasy IX gets criticized for its story and it's my favorite FF. VII gets crapped on a lot these days for its story because it is very silly, but when you're immersed in it, it never feels that way. That said, I still have concerns (and I still hate the lack of diversity in the cast) but I don't think it should be written off outright.
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