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[Aostia]

This, and this, people.

I agree, even if some times some small tips can be shared (being both sure about it and able to hide your source)

I said this because I used to know "something" back in the days (around 2006/08) months prior to official announcements due to job reasons

 

[Deleted member 465307]

I unfortunately can't be much more clear without getting into detail I don't want to get into publicly. Suffice it to say, SMD will sell out a source the minute a man in a suit jacket asks him to.

EDIT: I will say, the source accepted their punishment without argument. The ninjas were merciful.

I have to assume they were fired because what the source leaked was a big no-no. Still can't believe marketing budgets were given out, since that didn't benefit video game enthusiasts very much but could benefit competitors much more. If the person remained employed, Nintendo (or their marketing partner) would be a super merciful company. When I saw the leak, I assumed the person was actually trying to get fired.

Fair enough.
SMD ratting out his source is kind of shocking if true. That was his claim to fame and that probably got the leaker fired or in some serious legal problems. No clue why he shared the marketing info with us, only reason he got caught and it didn't help anyone nor did it add to the discussion/speculation.

I bet the punishment was being fired, and the merciful aspect was the leaker not facing legal trouble. It makes sense to not dispute the punishment if it helps you avoid a legal battle you'd almost certainly lose and not be able to afford compared to a corporation.

 

[Nibel]

It only took like 290 pages but this thread is finally LIT again

 

[MuchoMalo]

https://twitter.com/AMD/status/742455340839493632?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

I can point back to this Tweet all day long.

XboneS is very unlikely to be one of the three, since one of then is ARM-based. Unless Scorpio is using an ARM CPU that is. The thing is that the AMD Crew is insisting on NX being x86 and think that ARM sucks, so yeah. The recent earnings call made it clear that XboneS isn't one of the wins as well. XboneS being a win would also make PS4 Slim a win, so we'd be at 4 wins at that point, none of which are ARM-based... So yeah, it obviously isn't.

 

[maxcriden]

I agree, even if some times some small tips can be shared (being both sure about it and able to hide your source)

I said this because I used to know "something" back in the days (around 2006/08) months prior to official announcements due to job reasons

El Secret Origin confirmed

 

[georly]

It only took like 290 pages but this thread is finally LIT again

Yup.

 

[Deleted member 465307]

El Secret Origin confirmed

Wait, what year did Super Mario Galaxy release? 2007, right? And that was Captain Toad's first appearance...hmm... Aostia, your previous employment wasn't in outer space by any chance, was it?

 

[DerekOfTheDykes]

I have to assume they were fired because what the source leaked was a big no-no. Still can't believe marketing budgets were given out, since that didn't benefit video game enthusiasts very much but could benefit competitors much more.

Nah. Don't attribute to malice what can be more easily attributed to stupidity... or maybe temporary insanity. But trust me when I say, this person would not have been found without SMD giving them up. Although, you know, that doesn't justify the leak.

EDIT: Just saying, somebody who thinks they are safe may be less careful or discriminating with the info they give.

 

[doop_]

Thankfully, the only source I have is my ass.

 

[ggx2ac]

Nah. Don't attribute to malice what can be more easily attributed to stupidity... or maybe temporary insanity. But trust me when I say, this person would not have been found without SMD giving them up. Although, you know, that doesn't justify the leak.

EDIT: Just saying, somebody who thinks they are safe may be less careful or discriminating with the info they give.

Well, that was pretty obvious when Trev/SMD said he was given the okay to leak the whole thing according to his source instead of questioning or using discretion about what to leak so that he doesn't get caught.

You don't go leaking the exact document unless you want to be caught, you just have to interpret things that only need to be known.

 

[balgajo]

Nah. Don't attribute to malice what can be more easily attributed to stupidity... or maybe temporary insanity. But trust me when I say, this person would not have been found without SMD giving them up. Although, you know, that doesn't justify the leak.

EDIT: Just saying, somebody who thinks they are safe may be less careful or discriminating with the info they give.

Man...sigh

 

[Graphics Horse]

Wow so SMD wasn't taping shredded documents back together like Penguin in Batman Returns?

 

[Aostia]

I highly doubt that production has started. It's way too early for that. November-December makes more sense unless yields are really bad and they need a lot of time to build stock. That would mean a massive day-one update though.

Well I am not so sure.
I work also on the production on Electronic toys (usually called youth electronics ) and I know the usual timings between opening of modulo, chip lead time, production and FOB/landed costs, shipment from China

I understand that a huge cliente as Nintendo will get way better lead time that many other companies that order less quantities and smaller forecasts of course, but still..

Unless they use aerial shipment (very expensive) if the goods must be ready on shelves in march ww, goods need to ship from China in early February

Considering che Chinese new year festivity this could mean be ready FOB around mid January

The plastica moulds should be open for pre production test shots alongside electronics spare parte many weeks before the actual production start

And The production itself (but I repeat that Nintendo lead times will probably be better than "mine") still take weeks

Sum that up and you will see how december is out of question as november and october

If production isnt started yet, at least the pre production for test shot of both plastic and electronics will start in September

 

[wbEMX]

But trust me when I say, this person would not have been found without SMD giving them up. Although, you know, that doesn't justify the leak.

Well, daaaamn. That is really fucked up, to be honest.

 

[Deleted member 465307]

Nah. Don't attribute to malice what can be more easily attributed to stupidity... or maybe temporary insanity. But trust me when I say, this person would not have been found without SMD giving them up. Although, you know, that doesn't justify the leak.

EDIT: Just saying, somebody who thinks they are safe may be less careful or discriminating with the info they give.

Oh, no, I never assumed it was malicious. Just very...short-sighted. That goes for both the leaker and SMD.

 

[MuchoMalo]

...

 

[Matbtz]

It was in the conference call. They confirmed three last year and they have a few more but they're done "numbering them". The audio is on one of SMD's videos.

Yep but I don't see where you found the "5 wins". The question and the response about more custom wins were clearly not towards gaming, this was vague at best. Maybe there is maybe there isn't more than 2 x86 custom wins in gaming.

 

[Aostia]

El Secret Origin confirmed

ahahah XD

Wait, what year did Super Mario Galaxy release? 2007, right? And that was Captain Toad's first appearance...hmm... Aostia, your previous employment wasn't in outer space by any chance, was it?

Lol not exactly
even if Galaxy (2) was one of the leaks I gave in "my" old forum back in those (fun) days

 

[ggx2ac]

Ouch. Sounding like Wii U all over again.

Consider the context of your post since we're in the NX thread, not the Deus Ex thread.

 

[Übermatik]

So SMD was questioned by lawyers (or similar) about a source whom he proceeded to expose, ignoring confidentiality? And this is important because a) SMD presumably had reliable information/a reliable source and b) he's also now not to be trusted with privacy?


Am I reading this correctly?

*EDIT*

Nah. Don't attribute to malice what can be more easily attributed to stupidity... or maybe temporary insanity. But trust me when I say, this person would not have been found without SMD giving them up. Although, you know, that doesn't justify the leak.

EDIT: Just saying, somebody who thinks they are safe may be less careful or discriminating with the info they give.

So really the only thing to take away from this is that SMD is not to be trusted?

 

[James Scott]

Ouch. Sounding like Wii U all over again.

NX is likely going to be very 3DS like (live off of exclusives) so don't expect many AAA ports.
It is basically a handheld first if the leaks are true.
Also, Deus Ex was originally supposed to released in Feburary and delayed till August so they likely had a lot on their plate with release timing never matching up

So SMD was questioned by lawyers (or similar) about a source whom he proceeded to expose, ignoring confidentiality? And this is important because a) SMD presumably had reliable information/a reliable source and b) he's also now not to be trusted with privacy?


Am I reading this correctly?

*EDIT*



So really the only thing to take away from this is that SMD is not to be trusted?

Yeah. He's probably a nice guy, but he doesn't have any sources anymore.

 

[OricWindstar]

For someone who can't follow a 300 page thread, what exactly is the news that came up recently?

 

[DerekOfTheDykes]

Oh, no, I never assumed it was malicious. Just very...short-sighted. That goes for both the leaker and SMD.

The leaker really only initially set out to confirm Zelda on both systems, and some general info about lineups and NX launch timing. Dave pushed to reveal more than that, and the source should have said no, but feeling safe can definitely make you short-sighted.

So SMD was questioned by lawyers (or similar) about a source whom he proceeded to expose, ignoring confidentiality? And this is important because a) SMD presumably had reliable information/a reliable source and b) he's also now not to be trusted with privacy?

Am I reading this correctly?

This is the larger point. I don't mean to get too swept up in ancient history, but the point is that SMD is particularly untrustworthy, and I'd like to believe that after what he did no source is willing to give him jack. But I can't outright say he has no sources or anything, I just think anyone who thought about it probably has more reason to pause now than they would have before February.

 

[sfried]

Anything new from that Hot Chips conference?

Any live tweets?

 

[Oregano]

Ouch. Sounding like Wii U all over again.

Game coming out over half a year before system not considered for release on said system. News at eleven.

Also we already know if it's a hybrid it's not getting AAA western games so why bother trying to sensationalise it?

 

[MomoQca]

Ouch. Sounding like Wii U all over again.

It's pretty foolish for anyone to think the NX will have a large amount of 3rd party support. It's been like that since N64.

 

[BluePikmin11]

What's the summary of the situation with SMD right now. I trust him and subscribe to him.

 

[BuggyMike]

NX is likely going to be very 3DS like (live off of exclusives) so don't expect many AAA ports.
It is basically a handheld first if the leaks are true.
Also, Deus Ex was originally supposed to released in Feburary and delayed till August so they likely had a lot on their plate with release timing never matching up

You're jumping to a lot of conclusions about the console here. Lets wait before we declare this a handheld first or things of the sort with such certainty. We dont even have close to the full picture yet.

 

[Father_Brain]

I'm not surprised to hear SMD is a shitty person, but I'm surprised NOA even needed him to rat out his source. One would think that specific marketing budgets are the sort of detail that can easily be traced to a handful of employees with access to those numbers.

 

[Oddduck]

I unfortunately can't be much more clear without getting into detail I don't want to get into publicly. Suffice it to say, SMD will sell out a source the minute a man in a suit jacket asks him to.

EDIT: I will say, the source accepted their punishment without argument. The ninjas were merciful.

Wow, SuperMetalDave sure seems like a nice guy....

 

[MogCakes]

This may well be the only new hardware I buy for the remainder of this generation. The hybrid concept is tantalizing

 

[ggx2ac]

So SMD was questioned by lawyers (or similar) about a source whom he proceeded to expose, ignoring confidentiality? And this is important because a) SMD presumably had reliable information/a reliable source and b) he's also now not to be trusted with privacy?


Am I reading this correctly?

*EDIT*



So really the only thing to take away from this is that SMD is not to be trusted?

It's easier to feel safe feeding someone with false information compared to something that is bound by NDA. Look at Rosti when he said he was having health problems because he was trying to be cryptic with his posts to avoid getting caught.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Well I am not so sure.
I work also on the production on Electronic toys (usually called youth electronics ) and I know the usual timings between opening of modulo, chip lead time, production and FOB/landed costs, shipment from China

I understand that a huge cliente as Nintendo will get way better lead time that many other companies that order less quantities and smaller forecasts of course, but still..

Unless they use aerial shipment (very expensive) if the goods must be ready on shelves in march ww, goods need to ship from China in early February

Considering che Chinese new year festivity this could mean be ready FOB around mid January

The plastica moulds should be open for pre production test shots alongside electronics spare parte many weeks before the actual production start

And The production itself (but I repeat that Nintendo lead times will probably be better than "mine") still take weeks

Sum that up and you will see how december is out of question as november and october

If production isnt started yet, at least the pre production for test shot of both plastic and electronics will start in September

I've never heard of a console starting production over 7 months in advance. If what you're saying is true, we can pretty much rule out anything newer than the X1. Pre-production sure, but volume production would be only a few months before launch because they won't want them just sitting there.

 

[James Scott]

You're jumping to a lot of conclusions about the console here. Lets wait before we declare this a handheld first or things of the sort with such certainty. We dont even have close to the full picture yet.

That's what this thread is about, though?

I'm not surprised to hear SMD is a shitty person, but I'm surprised NOA even needed him to rat out his source. One would think that specific marketing budgets are the sort of detail that can easily be traced to a handful of employees with access to those numbers.

Yeah, a bit surprising. Can't imagine many have access to all that data

 

[DerekOfTheDykes]

What's the summary of the situation with SMD right now. I trust him and subscribe to him.

You shouldn't trust him, and you should unsubscribe. End of discussion.

I'm not surprised to hear SMD is a shitty person, but I'm surprised NOA even needed him to rat out his source. One would think that specific marketing budgets are the sort of detail that can easily be traced to a handful of employees with access to those numbers.

I don't mean to imply that Nintendo is anything less than ruthless and efficient when tracking down leaks... but there was only one weak point in this particular leak, and it was SMD. If SMD chose not to sell out, the source would probably be regretting the whole thing at their old job, rather than in a totally different field.

 

[sfried]

Wait, who is SMD again? At first I thought you guys were talking about the Supplemental Computing Device, but then I reallized the "Computing" has a "C" and not "M"...

No new info from the Hot Chips conference?

 

[Doctre81]

Ouch. Sounding like Wii U all over again.

WiiU got the last deus ex though....

 

[Plinko]

Wait, who is SMD again? At first I thought you guys were talking about the Supplemental Computing Device, but then I reallized the "Computing" has a "C" and not "M"...

No new info from the Hot Chips conference?

SuperMetalDave, a guy who claims to have sources.

 

[Aostia]

Game coming out over half a year before system not considered for release on said system. News at eleven.

Also we already know if it's a hybrid it's not getting AAA western games so why bother trying to sensationalise it?

Yep...

I've never heard of a console starting production over 7 months in advance. If what you're saying is true, we can pretty much rule out anything newer than the X1. Pre-production sure, but volume production would be only a few months before launch because they won't want them just sitting there.

As I said they surely have better lead time but in those months you should consider

Moulds opening
Spare parts orders
Pre production sample
Production lead time
Chinese new year
Worldwide shipments

I dont even get why we should rule out something that could have been developed under wraps until few months ago in terms of electronics

Of course a console that will be sold in march will not have on board a chip that will be developed in december but we dont know the development status of such a possible Tegra X pascal-based

 

[ozfunghi]

I'm not surprised to hear SMD is a shitty person, but I'm surprised NOA even needed him to rat out his source. One would think that specific marketing budgets are the sort of detail that can easily be traced to a handful of employees with access to those numbers.

Well, even though it might be traced back to a small number of people, i expect they still need some form of proof to go after the guy.

 

[Übermatik]

I mean, nothing changes for me because I held SMD in no regard prior to this info anyway... sure he's a nice guy, but...

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Ouch. Malo's jumping to conclusions again.

 

[Malus]

Ouch. Sounding like Wii U all over again.

Or any of the other Nintendo consoles/handhelds that didn't get AAA third party support.

Anyways, not surprised lol.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Is there a live blog of the Nvidia Hot Chips event or anything? Even google-fu turned up nothing. Even a tweeter then?

 

[ggx2ac]

As I said they surely have better lead time but in those months you should consider

Moulds opening
Spare parts orders
Pre production sample
Production lead time
Chinese new year
Worldwide shipments

I dont even get why we should rule out something that could have been developed under wraps until few months ago in terms of electronics

Of course a console that will be sold in march will not have on board a chip that will be developed in december but we dont know the development status of such a possible Tegra X pascal-based

Hmm... Because of Chinese New Year, I think a late March release is more likely. Just like 3DS.

 

[sfried]

WiiU got the last deus ex though....

And the (best version of) Director's Cut at that...

So...I thought today was going to be a big day or something? I so a countdown timer of some sorts...

 

[Trago]

So we're not getting info out of the Hot Chips conference until later?

 

[majik13]

Am I the only one who find the name "Hot Chips" incredibly bizarre? It sounds like something off of Arrested Development.

Here is a leak of the Hot Chip presentation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOZjlwIwfk

 

[Maxrunner]

Ouch. Sounding like Wii U all over again.

Thats not a decision for them to make. Its Square.

 

[orioto]

I've had a vision of something that may not be possible, but anyway for the sake of guessing..

What if the NX dock isn't a dock as we imagine, but rather an add on.
They've been playing with wireless streaming so they have that, and many had the idea that it could be a reversed WiiU.

What if the NX is a portable, classic, with great ergonomic, and NO detachable controller. BUT, in the box, you have some kind of hdmi dongle that receive the signal AND an extension for the portable, like something you put on it's bottom, that has it's own battery, and adds power to it (thus their patent), AND the wireless streaming tech.

So you don't have the problem of needing detachable controller that will become something weird or having an other pad. You play the portable as you go. When you're at home, you just plug that add on and you stream it on your tv. The added power make it goes from 540p to 720p (cause you know it's not going 2x the power)