Hey no one has laughed at the idea of supporting NX
because it hasn't been revealed yet.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Hey no one has laughed at the idea of supporting NX
I'd be more than ok with that when used as a home. Don't fuck it up Nintendo.
Yeah, but we can try to guess a ballpark at least. Nintendo is going to get rid of many things the chip has that they don't need for a console, but the performance of their semi custom chip could be quite close to the original. For example, ps4 and xbox one GPUs are based on the hd7850 and 7790, and their specs are pretty close to the off the shelves counterparts.
Most definitely, yeah, but i was thinking about performances when used as a console. They can downclock it to achieve the same graphics at 720p/540p when used on the go (or at least that's what we were speculating). 768 gflops would fit all the info we have (blows the wii u out of the water, close to one but it's a stretch to say that, can handle ports from current gen, ecc), and maybe having 3 SM at a lower clockspeed would help to get those performances at a lower heat/power draw.
I think power consumption and/or heat would prevent that much power in a handheld.
That'd be insane performance, I'd like to see it just for the craziness of it.
Well, wouldn't that be when it's in a device that uses power from the wall ? (meaning the maximum the chip can do).
If so, less for a handheld / portable, but probably still beyond Wii U.
So if the NX info is true everyone is gonna say they copied this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u26WwGz_VIg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u26WwGz_VIg
Interesting. So, the max here is 2 SMs @1.5GHz. So, maybe NX could manage 2 SMs @750MHz? That should be doable. Nearly 400 FP32 or 800 FP16 GFLOPS.
It's still useful for estimating what should be possible.
That's probably at a lower power draw though. Unlikely that Nvidia talk about it though.
EDIT: 850 Mhz like the Pixel C should be doable at least docked, since 850 Mhz Pixel C has a slim form factor and no active cooling (using X1).
Dark Cloud
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This is good news according to you guys?
We also have to be open to the fact if it is indeed a hybrid device intending to be both that there may be no downclocking at all. People keeps setting limitations based on strictly handheld and past requirements.
They were going to make Wii U a handheld. Wii U uses far more power than 5w
For a handheld it's great.
For docked mode, 800Gflops is below Xbox One and will likely run ports at 720p and upscale to 1080.
As someone who isn't that into handhelds, the NX is sounding underwhelming but makes business sense for Nintendo.
Hmm 50% more? And we only got 40% performance increase before due to the die shrink unless the architecture is what more than makes up for it.
This link has been posted a bunch of times today. We've seen it. It's ugly, and clunky. I don't want it. But yes, People will say Nintendo copied a rushed concept that is poorly executed, even though the WiiU was already a step in that direction, and the fact that the NX will have been in the planning stages far longer than this ugly tablet.
This is the first I have heard of this. Got a source?
James Scott
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Nintendo wants to make it cheap so realistically, even with a good deal from NVIDIA, how much can we expect it to actually achieve?
700flops being possible sounds nice and all, but wouldn't that be expensive?
700flops being possible sounds nice and all, but wouldn't that be expensive?
I mean... I guess we can't rule out that the fan being talked about was in the unit itself? Beyond that, it's a physics issue. There's no way Nintendo considered a 40W handheld at any point. The reason those plans failed is likely due to the fact that power consumption and heat made it impossible.
It's basically the same architecture. It's something else.
Given El Capitan's production info. I am starting to think that the PSPlike item may be either preliminary NX or NX chassis going into production.
A PSP or Vita like formfactor would give then a lot of room for the Pascal chip without needing to be a tablet or have some absurd sized screen. Also 540p.
A PSP or Vita like formfactor would give then a lot of room for the Pascal chip without needing to be a tablet or have some absurd sized screen. Also 540p.
jchap
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Oh man that is great on so many levels
It all depends on the form factor, I've said it could be tablet sized. Now we got reports of a PSP-like device at Foxconn but that doesn't tell us if it's the exact same size as a PSP or if it's some android product to be released in China.
can see a bit on it here. http://www.t3.com/news/nintendo-wii-u-controller-was-nearly-a-standalone-handheld
Nintendo was ahead of themselves on the idea. Would have been ridiculously expensive because they wanted to have a separate screen the handheld could connect to for tv like play. Issues like that can easily be solved via a dock now and makes the concept sound pretty much exactly like what we have heard of NX
I'm pretty sure that his info is wrong though, or at least making incorrect comparisons. I mean, final dev kits usually aren't out until around 6 months befoer launch so I don't know how he expects volume production to be well underway 7 months before launch.
Any good comparisons between A9x (iPad pro processor) and the XB1/PS4 CPUs?
The Mate 8 should be faster than even Neo's rumored CPU in most cases.
Any good comparisons between A9x (iPad pro processor) and the XB1/PS4 CPUs?
To save you the trouble.
Father_Brain
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I'm not sure what could have made Wii U sell even twice as well without being a fundamentally different platform, so setting that aside for the moment, but if it had just been easier to port to... the most likely scenario is that it would have gotten better support early on, those ports would have bombed due to the audience being on other platforms, and the publishers would have abandoned the platform after a year or so. Which is pretty much exactly what the few Western third parties that actually were initially on board (Ubi, WB, Activision) did anyway.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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BluePikmin11
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With my experience with SMD, he hasn't had any leaks with Nintendo information for a while, after that, he simply talks about the NX and the possibilities. I figured he doesn't have info anymore, but he's a cool to talk about NX info with.
I am speaking of chassis designs and design tests. Those will certainly be hitting production now as kits finalize. Not the finalized good itself.
If there is indeed not a lot of plans from western devs for this machine, it will be another crappy situation again and i am not even considering buying it.
Japanese third party support is also ridiculous because it is based usually in weaboo crap that has truly niche public, while we are missing games like Dark Souls.
Im starting to guess that it is not the sales, the dev support or something like that. I think it comes from the ridiculous and regressive weighting point that japan is for Nintendo, while Sony knew perfectly how to internationalize its balance, Nintendo has not and that also counts aside of all the other stuff we always discuss on this topic. Kinda like what happened with Microsoft in Japan.
Japanese third party support is also ridiculous because it is based usually in weaboo crap that has truly niche public, while we are missing games like Dark Souls.
Im starting to guess that it is not the sales, the dev support or something like that. I think it comes from the ridiculous and regressive weighting point that japan is for Nintendo, while Sony knew perfectly how to internationalize its balance, Nintendo has not and that also counts aside of all the other stuff we always discuss on this topic. Kinda like what happened with Microsoft in Japan.
That's why I'm thinking that the most optimistic performance to expect would be 600 GF at FP32 and 1.2TF at FP16. Nintendo could go with lower clocks or less SMs to reduce performance.
It would help if I could figure out how much wattage is required. That's why I say a slight increase in power over the X1 is the most optimistic scenario to take over a scenario where the NX is more powerful than an Xbox One.
Edit: Oh, that's right. I could dig up Thraktor's post where he mentions different performance levels.
I love these posts, every time I hear Hot Chip, all I do is listen to Hot Chip all afternoon.
No, it would still fall noticeably short.
I can't quote it because it's from a locked thread but here's Thraktor's post back then on performance estimates and what he expects.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=213113883
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=213113883
In that case, the gap between NX and XB1 would be smaller than the gap between XB1 and PS4. Noticeably.
Assuming Nintendo is serious about competing with Sony and Microsoft. They need to be in the 400-500 window as a portable and the 700-800 window when connected to a power supply.
This is looking pretty likely based on these numbers. So Hardware wise Nintendo is looking to be in a very good place if this best case scenario. (Which is looking increasingly likely ) comes true.
It also holds up with what many of the rumours have been saying. " less powerful then an Xbox 1, but real world performance somewhere between an Xbox one and PS4)
This is looking pretty likely based on these numbers. So Hardware wise Nintendo is looking to be in a very good place if this best case scenario. (Which is looking increasingly likely ) comes true.
It also holds up with what many of the rumours have been saying. " less powerful then an Xbox 1, but real world performance somewhere between an Xbox one and PS4)
Maybe? You have to keep in mind that Nvidia's advantages in DX11 and OpenGL don't translate to lower level APIs. It would be around the same gap, if not a bit larger.
Lol, looking at Thraktor's post again I guessed right about the most optimistic performance.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=213113883
Of course that is if Nintendo goes with 4 SM and 2W with the GPU to get approximately 600GF at FP32.
3 SM at 2W gives approximately 500GF at FP32.
2 SM at 2W gives approximately 400GF at FP32.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=213113883
Of course that is if Nintendo goes with 4 SM and 2W with the GPU to get approximately 600GF at FP32.
3 SM at 2W gives approximately 500GF at FP32.
2 SM at 2W gives approximately 400GF at FP32.
Dark Cloud
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Sounds like what everyone saying is this will most definitely be a very powerful handheld. It may even get close to Xbox One which is crazy to play something like that on the go-especially coming off of the 3DS.
The console side however is still in the air depending if there's anything to boosts its power.
The console side however is still in the air depending if there's anything to boosts its power.
TwilightPrincess
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Not only the "Nvidia Pascal Flops", fp16 could double the performance in some instances.
Mr. Pointy
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Cheers to 300 pages. Let's hope for 300 more before September.
I'm still expecting this thing to pull 1TF when docked.
I'm still expecting this thing to pull 1TF when docked.
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