Yea tomorrow or bust lol
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Yea tomorrow or bust lol
ProtomanNeo
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Was just thinking with all of Nintendo's teams now making software for one platform their output is going to be pretty crazy. The idea of droughts might be a thing of the past.
Dark Cloud
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Oh it was Tuesday? Lol I thought it was a Friday!
Yes, the stars are aligning now. Tomorrow has to be the day!
Hero of Legend
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Anyone with a link to the thread of the latter? The invite one.
Yeah, as a matter of fact it happened not too long ago. The past few pages has some discussion and speculation over it.
Hero of Legend
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Has anyone yet talked about how Tegra-Parker's Virtualisation tech is similar to Nintendo's Suplimental computing Patent.
"The chip can power up to 8 virtualised machines with each having their own display pipeline"
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-tegra-parker-soc-hot-chips/
Not sure what it means, but in theory could it mean that up to 8 handhelds/Consoles could share an interconnected environment and share resources.
(Sort of like what Nintendo did with Pokken Tournament, where local multiplayer requires 2 WiiU's Ducttaped togeather)
"The chip can power up to 8 virtualised machines with each having their own display pipeline"
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-tegra-parker-soc-hot-chips/
Not sure what it means, but in theory could it mean that up to 8 handhelds/Consoles could share an interconnected environment and share resources.
(Sort of like what Nintendo did with Pokken Tournament, where local multiplayer requires 2 WiiU's Ducttaped togeather)
As another poster said not too long ago, if we're accepting the Nvidia part of the Eurogamer rumor as likely true, then we should also accept the September reveal as likely true. They come from the same source, after all. And, from there, if the unveiling is in September, why wait until after TGS? Combine that with the Gameblog rumor saying week of 9/12 and the Sony event date being correct, and I think we're in for a reveal the week pre-TGS, which would indicate an announcement this week. I can feel it, guys.
The NX is in actually in a superpostion right now. It's both revealed and unrevealed at the same time. The only one who can change this is Kimishima, and he will only do so when he feels like it.
Mr. Pointy
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You know what would be revolutionary? If Nintendo put a credit card reader in the NFC chip. No need to store card details in the system.
This is off topic but I believe the tech is kind of already in the Wii U. As I understand, a lot of Japanese credit cards have NFC and the eshop supports this, you just tap the card iirc
You know what else would be revolutionary? If the fabled dock for the NX had an ethernet port
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The Hermit
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I miss Drinky Crow's Tuesdayton.
Now would be a great time
Now would be a great time
Dark Cloud
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Since Gameblog was right about Sony, I want to hope they're right about Nintendo. My only thing is John Harker said after the Eurogamer rumor that Nintendo may miss the TGS timeframe, which could mean it won't come until later September.
Nintendo did the Wii U event on Thursday September 13, 2012. If they were to follow that pattern then it would be September 15 which is Thursday this year. Same time TGS is happening. This fits with Gameblogs rumor of the September 12th week.
Mr. Pointy
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That's a bridge too far for Nintendo.
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the...
Actually it's possible NoA tweets about it first. It happened for a few Directs.
James Scott
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I'd honestly just want something that can run Breath of the Wild at 1080p 30fps on the TV or at least have a good dpi on the handheld (540/720 on the screen) and maybe 60fps. Xbox One level spec is a bit of a pipe dream, but BoTW but better and on the go is pretty realistic and what I'd personally want/hope.
There's about a 30% difference. The 922gflops figure from zombies specs would clock in at just under 1.3TF of GCN power (Xbox One) while docked. Which would allow native 1080p30. At 800gflops docked you're looking at perhaps upscaling instead of rendering to 1080p.
RavageDark
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Thing is, when has Nintendo ever make a console that was less powerful than the last gen?
300 pages? You filthy 50ppp.
Maybe this is the streaming tech LCGeek was mentioning? I don't know.
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Another scenario has hit me after posting this:
Considering how it was reported at Foxconn that a PSP-like device was spotted. Rumours point to it being the NX. However, we don't know if it is or some Chinese Android device.
So I thought up two scenarios that could speculate possible outcomes on the NX's form factor and the dock.
Scenario 1) The NX is Handheld-sized, could range anywhere from PSP to Wii U Gamepad in size. (But not that bulky.)
Going by Thraktor's performance estimates of a Pascal-based Tegra GPU at 1W-2W it made me think. If there is no docked mode and if the device doesn't down clock the GPU when in portable mode, then there is no way the device is big or will have an active cooling system.
This means that the device outputs same visuals on portable and on TV. Estimates of resolution go from 540p to 720p to 768p (1366 x 768). I'm still thinking of 768p as a possible resolution.
Considering that there is no docked mode, this would give a reason for the SCD to be created and sold as a product because it could do more than its player reward and cloud features. It can also increase performance to get the NX rendering at 1080p, possibly.
Scenario 2) The device is Tablet-sized. Someone here mentioned in the last couple of pages that the Pixel-C tablet can run an X1 at 850MHz and not require active cooling.
If the NX was Tablet-sized, there could easily be two performance modes where the tablet under clocks the GPU in portable mode. Hence the GPU could easily increase its Wattage to increase FLOPS performance when in docked mode. Whether it would use active cooling I don't know, I just think that a Tablet would make things easier for its size to dissipate heat.
As such, if there is a docked mode then there wouldn't really need to be an SCD for the tablet-sized NX unless it really was for 1080p visuals on the TV as some are claiming.
Similar resolutions mentioned for scenario 1 apply to the tablet-sized NX.
Again though, this is mere speculation. There could be the scenario that it is Tablet-sized NX and doesn't have a docked mode but does have an SCD. Things are just getting somewhat clearer since we're at Hot Chips now and the reveal could be soon.
wasn't he perma-banned?
The Giant
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My right eye twitches when I see NOJ instead of NCL.
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Best thing for ME personally is that's more than enough flops to run most of today's indie games unless they try to be really expansive ie Witness or No Man Sky.
It should be more than enough to run all of the Hyper Light Drifters and Axiom Verges of the world without having some of the frame rate issues current Vita ports have.
So if we get the usual slate of Nintendo games, quirky 3rd party Japanese games, and enough horse power to finally run a large swath of indie games I'll be happy.
It should be more than enough to run all of the Hyper Light Drifters and Axiom Verges of the world without having some of the frame rate issues current Vita ports have.
So if we get the usual slate of Nintendo games, quirky 3rd party Japanese games, and enough horse power to finally run a large swath of indie games I'll be happy.
Fourth Storm
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Very interesting, DerekOfTheDykes. Very interesting, indeed. Thanks for your insights. I wonder, though, how did Eurogamer's source get away with leaking what they did? Or didn't they? Why nothing else since?
Plinko
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When is the last time they announced a Direct outside of the week of the actual Direct? Aren't they usually announced like 2-3 days before?
This is exactly why I think the news was leaked on purpose.
Fourth Storm said:
This is exactly why I think the news was leaked on purpose.
Oh yeah, that should be done.
Most of us aren't expecting a standard Direct. Nintendo would be nuts to not at least invite press to a private demo event, so there's no way there's just going to be a Direct with no press hands-on unless something is seriously wrong.
Someone posted that yesterday so I moved on to the next card.
Never I think. But this could be a special case considering a new console. I feel like they'll want to hype people up at least a week instead of springing it on everyone 3 days before
crooked spin
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Journalists (Eurogamer, Mochi) protect their sources. Teenagers who play internet detective don't.
That's why I am just coming up with possible scenarios. The NX could be PSP-like more than it could be Wii U Gamepad like. I remember when I heard how Japanese consumers had negative perceptions of the Wii U because they thought the Gamepad was heavy due to its bulky design...
The most ridiculous thing to happen and Nintendo had to get the damn thing in people's hands to change that perception. I don't think they would want to make a bulky handheld like device ever again after that.
Dark Cloud
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I think Sakurai announced one for Smash like a month prior for the Bayonetta reveal, but other than that it never happens. Directs get announced a couple days in advance the most. I guess Nintendo could do a direct for the NX reveal, which means we won't find out until the week of TGS the earliest if they do that.
I just can't see it though considering this is a brand new system and its their future. I would think they'd give a bigger notice and do a press event.
Edit: I should add Nintendo wants to create and build up hype for the NX reveal. They should want to give the news of when the reveal date enough time to spread around the world so many people watch. I just can't see them waiting a few days prior to the reveal to announce it.
I know you said Nintendo may have did this control leak before too. I can see that considering it's been wayyyyyy to quiet for something that's supposed to reveal. Usually way more leaks happen as we get closer.
Fourth Storm
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A virtual machine is basically when hardware is emulated in a sandbox within another OS. Supporting up to 8 is alot and I'm not sure what that would be useful for outside of a dev environment. This might have more to do with the automotive side.
Right, which is why I am thinking that PSP-like device could well be production parts for the NX, and a PSP/Vita like design actually could work for the sizes we'd need to be ~tablet-esque~ without requiring it to be a tablet or have a 7" screen.
Controlled leak, and with dated/old info to set expectations lower for the reveal.
DerekOfTheDykes
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Alright, I'm not an expert on this, but my understanding is that prosecuting someone for reporting leaked information is pretty shaky legal ground. Leaking the actual information, sure, because you broke an NDA. The sources are in danger because they are breaking NDAs, but those who report the information did no such thing, and are thus on safer ground. Otherwise, how the hell would any game information ever get leaked? Kotaku would have been sued into the ground YEARS ago.
So, it's POSSIBLE that Nintendo contacted the author of that article. But if the author of that article was legally safe, and chose not to give up his source, there may not be much that Nintendo could do.
Also, you assume that Eurogamer's source was never found. Would anyone have known that SMD's source was found out if I didn't say anything? Dave sure wasn't going to offer up that he sold someone out.
Omg can you not, this post makes it sound like those tweets have happened already.
KojiKnight
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March next year being release, I don't see how it could be final nx hardware... I don't suppose they actually mass produce dev kits though either....
This is purely speculation..edit: based on zero knowledge of how VMs actually work. Monster Hunter and any arena based local multiplayer game.
If Nintendo could link say 4 handhelds wirelessly. The combined power of those 4 devices could render the assets in the arena at higher resolutions/frame rates then each individual device could, and then output individual screens to each handheld.
Shared VR environments based on proximity could also be possible.
Edit. The Virtual Machine concept also fits with the idea of the NX as an IOS like iterative console. If the NXs "console" environment is tied to software as opposed to hardware then it's much easier to release next years iterative model that will allow games to run on both. Because essentially both devices despite the difference in power are running the same NX virtual console
Fourth Storm
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Or it comes from a particularly indispensable western 3rd party.
Sadly, many internet detectives are grown ass men who should know better. But I'm not into bashing people. I'm done on the topic.
Oh. So I'm not the only one. lol
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