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[SeanC]

There's so much hyperbole surrounding the prequels I don't know what's what anymore. I don't think they're particularly good movies, but they're not horrible pieces of shit either.

I do have a problem with people taking those and shitting on George Lucas because of it, though. Lucas treated as a pariah is fucking shameful.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

The best moments of all three prequels summed up in one gif:

 

[Liamario]

I admit there were problems but I liked them, doesn't mean I HAVE to hate them. I found them enjoyable, to each their own.

Also on the story I said I liked how it attempted to bridge both arcs, again to each their own.

I wish they used Dooku lamenting about Qui Gon's death and the corruption to bridge 1 and 2 but hey in retrospect we'll always see problems that can't be fixed.

Nobody is disputing that you liked them. You're perfectly entitled to like them, I wish I could like them. But your argument like many others, tends to pick individual components of the movies (or even stuff outside the movies themselves) to try and elevate their quality.

This documentary is also going to defend the films in the same way. They're going to use this ring theory and any other fan theory, they can to try and make these movies deeper than the actually are. They're going to talk about the revolutionary special effects and technology and how it has influenced movies as a whole. Not once will they make a decent argument about the movies themselves; specifically the problems which I mentioned in my previous post (acting/story etc).

There's so much hyperbole surrounding the prequels I don't know what's what anymore. I don't think they're particularly good movies, but they're not horrible pieces of shit either.

I do have a problem with people taking those and shitting on George Lucas because of it, though. Lucas treated as a pariah is fucking shameful.

Yeah, they're just bad movies. They didn't cause 9/11 or something. GL was unfairly targeted; but the fanboy expectation being as high as it was meant that their reaction to him was inevitable.

 

[Bishop89]

I have no emotional attachment and I can tell you that the prequels suck donkey balls.

They're just mind numbingly boring and incoherent. Watching one of the prequels is like watching a Michael Bay movie. Just throw lots of CG shit on the screen and hoping that people will eat it up

 

[Copenap]

I'll give it a watch.

The prequels get wayyyy too much hate.

No not at all, they are terrible, that's just it. It's not the end of the world though.

 

[Funkyhamster]

Yeah, that 50s diner and that one Jedi who looked like the penis-headed ghost of Hamlet's father were imaginative as fuck. And let's not forget the dozens and dozens of CG backgrounds like the Jedi Temple and the Senate building that we see over and over and over again.

The rush by an odd minority of people to support shit just because it came from George Lucas, while shitting on a vastly superior film just because Lucas was kept far, far away from its development, is baffling.

Okay, the diner was dumb, but I'll take that one Jedi, the Jedi Temple, and the Senate building over a clone of Tatooine, a clone of the Mos Eisley cantina, a clone of Hoth, and a clone of the Death Star. Again, maybe the execution was bad with the same old CGI backgrounds, but I personally care about vision more than execution.

I honestly enjoyed TFA less than the prequels. I have no agenda--before the movie came out, I was hyping it up to all my friends, scouring r/starwarsleaks daily, and posting every 15-second clip on Facebook. And yet when I walked out of the theater, I was disappointed. I am permanently annoyed with George Lucas for messing with the OT, so it's not like I was going into TFA prepared to hate it because he wasn't involved.

 

[Surfinn]

Too much hate? Sure. Too much love? Yup. Not enough apathy tbh.

The problem is mainly that people just keep talking about them. Take away the name and make it an ordinary dumb and poorly-acted scifi trilogy and nobody would care enough to still be shitting on them or praising them. They'd be dusty DVDs at garage sales and people would go "oh yeah I vaguely remember those. Huh."

These aren't good movies, and it must be sad for people who really like them to keep hearing from people who hate them how bad they are. But I seriously hope this trailer is a joke or some kind of metacommentary. If not, this takes fanxiety to heretofore unknown levels.

It's hard not to talk about them when they're making new films that follow the same story. Of course they're going to creep back into discussion, with or without this documentary. We're getting brand new SW fans everyday now because of EP7. That's a great thing. Those fans are going to return to the prequels (some of them) and this conversation happens all over again? Why? Because there's such an immense drop in quality between the PT and the OT/ST. Sure, some fans take the hate too far.

But the conversation is still relevant because the continuing story is connected to the PT. And it even still references it.

The conversation itself is a natural one to have but it can get unnecessarily heated.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Okay, the diner was dumb, but I'll take that one Jedi, the Jedi Temple, and the Senate building over a clone of Tatooine, a clone of the Mos Eisley cantina, a clone of Hoth, and a clone of the Death Star. Again, maybe the execution was bad with the same old CGI backgrounds, but I personally care about vision more than execution.

I honestly enjoyed TFA less than the prequels. I have no agenda--before the movie came out, I was hyping it up to all my friends, scouring r/starwarsleaks daily, and posting every 15-second clip on Facebook. And yet when I walked out of the theater, I was disappointed. I am permanently annoyed with George Lucas for messing with the OT, so it's not like I was going into TFA prepared to hate it because he wasn't involved.

How do you knock TFA for a Tatooine ripoff when the prequels spend so much time literally on Tatooine? I loved the creatures on Rey's planet.

In the prequels you had pod racing and those species, but you also had the Hutts, the sand people, Greedo. They were stuffed with "Hey look, remember this!" crap that people hate on TFA for. The Jedi uniform are just the robes Obi-Wan wears, even though Owen Lars also wears them suggesting they were just desert clothing, but nope. The remote shooting target from IV is now a standard Jedi training protocol. Anakin built C3PO. All of this is dumb.

 

[Gunslinger]

How can anyone even defend that Attack of the clones was a good movie?

 

[JeTmAn81]

Too much hate? Sure. Too much love? Yup. Not enough apathy tbh.

The problem is mainly that people just keep talking about them. Take away the name and make it an ordinary dumb and poorly-acted scifi trilogy and nobody would care enough to still be shitting on them or praising them. They'd be dusty DVDs at garage sales and people would go "oh yeah I vaguely remember those. Huh."

These aren't good movies, and it must be sad for people who really like them to keep hearing from people who hate them how bad they are. But I seriously hope this trailer is a joke or some kind of metacommentary. If not, this takes fanxiety to heretofore unknown levels.

The fact that George Lucas, the originator of this whole phenomenon, created the prequels will always give them that cache they wouldn't have if they'd been unaffiliated with the series. That said, the prequels do carry many of the same creative hallmarks that the original trilogy did, but they misfire in so many ways that the originals didn't.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

How do you knock TFA for a Tatooine ripoff when the prequels spend so much time literally on Tatooine? I loved the creatures on Rey's planet.

In the prequels you had pod racing and those species, but you also had the Hutts, the sand people, Greedo. They were stuffed with "Hey look, remember this!" crap that people hate on TFA for. The Jedi uniform are just the robes Obi-Wan wears, even though Owen Lars also wears them suggesting they were just desert clothing, but nope. The remote shooting target from IV is now a standard Jedi training protocol. Anakin built C3PO. All of this is dumb.

Don't forget throwing in Chewbacca cuz "hey, people will recognize him!"

 

[jstripes]

I swear no one understands AotC. It's the closest to the silly serial inspiration Star Wars ever got. The title of the movie to the shot framing, to the acting, to the action situations, the plotting, and all. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Even Christopher Lee is wearing a damn Dracula cape but it seemingly went over the head of everyone.

Maybe what made Star Wars originally work was that it was inspired by that stuff but never fully replicated it?

 

[JeTmAn81]

The revisionist hatred for AOTC still befuddles me. Yes, it's terrible in many ways but in no way is it worse than TPM. Surely the people who think so were not there from the beginning when TPM debuted.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

For all the shit the prequels get, at the least people should be able to give them credit for introducing so many new concepts and ideas into the Star Wars world. Things like other light saber configurations, podracing (which spawned awesome games), Jedi Temple, Sith, etc. I think it's why I came out of TFA pretty underwhelmed. It's like, start at the sequels, go 30 years back and you have a world that feels different. Go 30 years forward and you have everything essentially the same

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

How do you knock TFA for a Tatooine ripoff when the prequels spend so much time literally on Tatooine? I loved the creatures on Rey's planet.

In the prequels you had pod racing and those species, but you also had the Hutts, the sand people, Greedo. They were stuffed with "Hey look, remember this!" crap that people hate on TFA for. The Jedi uniform are just the robes Obi-Wan wears, even though Owen Lars also wears them suggesting they were just desert clothing, but nope. The remote shooting target from IV is now a standard Jedi training protocol. Anakin built C3PO. All of this is dumb.

I agree with this. And furthermore, what new stuff did we see in the Prequels that was really new and different? Lava planet, huge city planet, Wookie planet, Naboo. Versus TFA which showed us Han Solo's frigate, an isolated water world, and a Death Star built into a planet (awesome).

I'd say both TFA and the Prequels had great art direction and that was really well executed, but the Prequels really only have a slight edge in terms of "vision." Especially when those locations could have easily been replaced with any number of other sets and it wouldn't have mattered to the action - TFA was aware of its environment and it frequently it played into what was happening. Set design - win.

The revisionist hatred for AOTC still befuddles me. Yes, it's terrible in many ways but in no way is it worse than TPM. Surely the people who think so were not there from the beginning when TPM debuted.

It was immediately obvious to me in the theater that AOTC was a step down from The Phantom Menace. I wasn't movie articulate at the time andI couldn't point at why yet, but I could just tell. To this day I probably couldn't coherently explain the plot and I've seen the film a few times since.

 

[Marty Chinn]

The revisionist hatred for AOTC still befuddles me. Yes, it's terrible in many ways but in no way is it worse than TPM. Surely the people who think so were not there from the beginning when TPM debuted.

Yes it is. TPM is easily the better of the two.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

I agree with this. And furthermore, what new stuff did we see in the Prequels that was really new and different? Lava planet, huge city planet, Wookie planet, Naboo. Versus TFA which showed us Han Solo's frigate, an isolated water world, and a Death Star built into a planet (awesome).

Sorry, but it was kinda dumb. It was like a little kid's idea for how to 1-up the Death Star instead of trying to do something completely different. Not every threat has to be some sort of planet destroying laser

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

Sorry, but it was kinda dumb. It was like a little kid's idea for how to 1-up the Death Star instead of trying to do something completely different. Not every threat has to be some sort of planet destroying laser

Disagree. It's Star Wars, the coolest weapon is going to blow up whole planets. I think that's awesome. Galactic battles where whole planets/systems are at stake <3

The most evil thing anybody did in the Prequels was a tax blockade and (in the end) kill all the Jedi. Even classic sci-fi like Foundation, with all its static characters and G-rated grand space strategy, still managed to up the stakes from that.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

I'll watch the documentary. I still love Revenge of the Sith. But I imagine no talk of expectations, of set design, or of symbolism can change the #1 killers of the prequels---shit writing and acting.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

The revisionist hatred for AOTC still befuddles me. Yes, it's terrible in many ways but in no way is it worse than TPM. Surely the people who think so were not there from the beginning when TPM debuted.

I was there for both when they made their debut. TPM was bad enough it made people come in to see AOTC with drastically lower expectations. The sentiment was "just give us something better than episode 1, surely that's reasonable to hope for". Then episode 2 was worse, much worse, to a depressing degree. It was so bad it made you question your own sanity. You couldn't even complain about visible flaws the way everyone did with TPM, the entire movie felt like a mistake. It was as if we were watching footage hastily assembled from material picked up from the cutting room floor. Perhaps there was a mixup and the wrong set of reels were sent to print. Initially one was too bewildered, confused and exhausted to muster up the strength required to actively hate it.

Edit: I had to watch it a second time at the cinema to convince myself the first viewing hadn't been a delirious insomnia induced hallucination. This is not hyperbole.

 

[Nairume]

Maybe what made Star Wars originally work was that it was inspired by that stuff but never fully replicated it?

Right, but the OT still had the benefit of being good.

It's the same situation as with the Indiana Jones movies. I can accept that Indy 4 was going for a 50's B-Movie feel in the same way the first three were going for 30's adventure serials, but it still doesn't make up for the movie being bad.

 

[jstripes]

How do you knock TFA for a Tatooine ripoff when the prequels spend so much time literally on Tatooine? I loved the creatures on Rey's planet.

In the prequels you had pod racing and those species, but you also had the Hutts, the sand people, Greedo. They were stuffed with "Hey look, remember this!" crap that people hate on TFA for. The Jedi uniform are just the robes Obi-Wan wears, even though Owen Lars also wears them suggesting they were just desert clothing, but nope. The remote shooting target from IV is now a standard Jedi training protocol. Anakin built C3PO. All of this is dumb.

Logically, if you think about it, the outfit Luke wears in RotJ is probably what the Jedi would have worn.

(Seriously. Obi Wan skulking about all those years in a tattered Jedi uniform wouldn't attract at least one person's attention?)

 

[Nerdkiller]

I think the legacy of the Prequels will be judged in what it brought in terms of technical achievement and the extended universe. Say what you will about Episode's II and III in terms of CG and digital photography, but they are among the first to realise the potential of a wholly digital backlot and workflow that can be argued we're taking for granted these days. Movies like Sky Captain, Avatar, the Marvel movies, and the like (hell, I could mention online content creation as well) can all be argued as to having their technical DNA sourced back to them.

And because of the contest of a new trilogy of movies going on at the time, there came a new set of media related to that trilogy of movies, some, as it would turn out to be among the best that the series has offered yet. From the Clone Wars TV series, to the Battlefront and Knights of the Old Republic games, it's safe to say that other mediums benefited a lot with that close proximity to the Prequels.

Do I think the Prequels are good movies, no, not really, but to say that these movies won't leave any sort of lasting legacy is massively short sighted in my mind.

I have no emotional attachment and I can tell you that the prequels suck donkey balls.

They're just mind numbingly boring and incoherent. Watching one of the prequels is like watching a Michael Bay movie. Just throw lots of CG shit on the screen and hoping that people will eat it up

You've been watching the wrong Michael Bay movies then. The Bad Boys movies and Pain and Gain are great features.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

You've been watching the wrong Michael Bay movies then. The Bad Boys movies and Pain and Gain are great features.

Don't forget The Rock! Great movie.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

The Force Awakens kind of put an end to my giving a fuck about the prequels. I don't like 'em. Whatever. I'll simply just never watch them again. It's beyond time for people to just let those movies go.

The shit that actually pisses me off still is that we don't have high quality versions of the original movies. At this point I'd love a good bluray of the original Special Editions even. Fuck the changes Lucas continued to make with the current versions of the movies.

 

[DrForester]

The revisionist hatred for AOTC still befuddles me. Yes, it's terrible in many ways but in no way is it worse than TPM. Surely the people who think so were not there from the beginning when TPM debuted.

Not even close for me that TPM is better than ATOC. AOTC was horrendous from start to finish.

 

[Htown]

I think you could possibly cut all three prequels back to back into one decent 2+ hour movie.

There's too much awful acting and dialogue for that to work.

 

[NyMartin90]

The most evil thing anybody did in the Prequels was a tax blockade and (in the end) kill all the Jedi.

I feel this point is being understated. The destruction of the galaxy's peacekeepers was a massive impact.

Heck even that tax blockade led to the biggest war in the galaxy, which created the Death Star.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

Also, the ring theory doesn't make the prequels good, but assuming it's correct it does do a pretty good job explaining why they were bad: the emphasis was completely in the wrong place.

 

[Nairume]

Sorry, but it was kinda dumb. It was like a little kid's idea for how to 1-up the Death Star

Well, yeah.

You have a younger group of people who glorify the Empire and want to try and bring things back to those days. Of course they are going to try and recreate one of the most prominent examples of Imperial power and try and make it even bigger and threatening to their enemies.

I feel this point is being understated. The destruction of the galaxy's peacekeepers was a massive impact.

The prequels actually understated it to begin with by stressing how small and ineffective the Jedi were at that point

 

[NyMartin90]

Well, yeah.
The prequels actually understated it to begin with by stressing how small and ineffective the Jedi were at that point

Right because their numbers were getting lower and their enemies were multiplying in 1 and 2. But the final destruction of the Jedi order in 3 is such an important turning point, without it what's the significance of Luke being the new hope of the Jedi? or Rey? or any new force users?

That was clear important event in the Star Wars universe that led to the ascendance of the Empire, bridging both groups of films. The plight of the Jedi between interventionism and isolationism in 1/2 leads to their destruction and overall leads to the context of the original movies which makes me confused as to why people understate its importance.

 

[Copenap]

You've been watching the wrong Michael Bay movies then. The Bad Boys movies and Pain and Gain are great features.

Pain and Gain is a terrible movie even for Bay standards.

 

[Funkyhamster]

How do you knock TFA for a Tatooine ripoff when the prequels spend so much time literally on Tatooine? I loved the creatures on Rey's planet.

In the prequels you had pod racing and those species, but you also had the Hutts, the sand people, Greedo. They were stuffed with "Hey look, remember this!" crap that people hate on TFA for. The Jedi uniform are just the robes Obi-Wan wears, even though Owen Lars also wears them suggesting they were just desert clothing, but nope. The remote shooting target from IV is now a standard Jedi training protocol. Anakin built C3PO. All of this is dumb.

Fair enough, I thought the holdovers from the OT in the PT were forced and unnecessary too. I still think the prequels introduced more new stuff though. Battle droids, Naboo, Podracing, the Imperial Senate, the streets of Coruscant, the Jedi Temple, Geonosis, Kamino, and Kashyyk were all totally unlike anything in the OT. But maybe TFA had just as much new stuff and I just personally didn't find it interesting.

 

[Nairume]

Fair enough, I thought the holdovers from the OT in the PT were forced and unnecessary too. I still think the prequels introduced more new stuff though. Battle droids, Naboo, Podracing, the Imperial Senate, the streets of Coruscant, the Jedi Temple, Geonosis, Kamino, and Kashyyk were all totally unlike anything in the OT.

Most of the other stuff sure, but the only thing really separating Kashyyk and Endor is the size difference in their bear-like indigenous population

 

[Measley]

eh there's barely any in 3, and what's there is better than any of it in 2 by a country mile.

It's still extremely cringe-worthy though.

 

[rashbeep]

Once the sequel trilogy wraps up, we'll all look back on the prequels much more fondly.

I really doubt that

 

[UnforgivenTwin]

I don't hate the prequels,but I just don't have the desire to watch them ever again.

 

[GIANKRATOS]

Once the sequel trilogy wraps up, we'll all look back on the prequels much more fondly.

Eh. I don't think so, they (for now) went so safe it's basically impossibile to not please the hc fans.

 

[DoctorFling]

The prequels are horrible films that are endlessly fascinating and fun to discuss due to the sheer volume of baffling creative decisions made by the mad king George.









....that being said I'm weirdly fond of Episode 3 due to Sheev dickery.

 

[Toxi]

If RT is the metric for good and bad, Attack of the Clones is a good movie and Revenge of the Sith is very good movie, which doesn't really support the narrative about the PT being universally shit with no redeeming moments.

They're not universally shit with no redeeming moments. Even Attack of the Clones has a great score with some excellent sound design and a few good moments of visual design.

Lots of bad movies have redeeming features. TRON Legacy is comparable to the Star Wars prequels in terms of story and acting and yet it's got a devoted fanbase on GAF for attributes like its soundtrack.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

As someone with about zero nostalgia for or little stake in Star Wars, that latter opinion has always seemed ridiculously hyperbolic.

It's mostly hyperbolic because it comes from fans who aren't self-aware.

I'm a Star Wars fanatic, but I acknowledge that all 7 of them aren't super good movies. There's nothing in them that elevates them beyond cheesy popcorn flicks like Independence Day and Transformers. It's still just vague plotlines, more holes than rural backroads, and really stupid dialogue. They're fun as shit, but some fans have the opinion that any of these films are actually good (as in, should be compared to the greats), and that's just faaaar from the truth.

The prequels are a bit worse than the OT, but not by much since the OT itself is also cheesy and bad.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

It's sound and world design is 3 tiers below them.

The world design in the Prequel Trilogy is dogshit. Every set is dull and sterile while every background is busy CGI nonsense. It has variety but none of it is well executed.

The aspect of the prequels that I really think excels compared to TFA is their imagination. They're so much more creative with the characters/aliens/sets. I get much more out of watching a movie that's different, even if it's poorly executed at times, versus a movie that nails the standard blockbuster formula.

Again, I think the imagination being a plus point is irrelevant when the characters are so goddamn awful and the worlds are fake looking green screens.

Are there any good scripts out there that completely redo the PT?

Belated Media on YouTube did a good switch-up of the trilogy, leaving sone aspects and plot points in place but sorting out George's mess and horrible nonsensical character developments. His take on episodes 2 & 3 are really quite good, with great artwork accompanying his ideas. He does a lot of sensible ideas like properly introducing Owen Lars, making Anakin a likeable guy, making Obi-Wan the protagonist and keeping Darth Maul as the main villain.

Also, if you fancy a giggle the Auralnauts have done a really great re-dub of episodes 1-4 so far. Very much worth watching.

Drawing comparisons to films from other genres that had similar character arcs, I don't see how the story of Anakin's rise and fall could have been believably told in a PG (even PG 13) setting, to be honest. Not sure if any writer or director could have pulled that off, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

It could be done, and you wouldn't need to go dark or adult. What they should have done is introduce Anakin as a padawan in training, and not wasted a whole film with him as a 10 year old which doesn't really do much for the trilogy's plot as a whole.

I think at best, you can argue some good things came as a result of the Prequels. But the prequels themselves are absolute garbage with a totally nonsensical story that was never thought out properly.

I think the story of Palpy's rise to power is actually pretty interesting, and McDiarmid seems to be the only actor able to have a bit of fun with his role. But Vader's whole plotline was utter shit and his turn to the dark side should have been more subtle and believable rather than being crammed into the last 45 minutes of a six hour film trilogy where he goes from crying about his wife's inevitable death to murdering kids at the request of his new boss. I'd have had episode 1 introducing the characters, their situation and Maul as the main villain (with Palpy working from the shadows), episode 2 showing Anakin turning to the dark side, and episode 3 showing the Empire emerge victorious, with Vader hunting down the Jedi and the Republic being smashed and the Rebellion forming.

 

[Toxi]

It's sound and world design is 3 tiers below them.

???

Outside the score, the sound design of TFA is just as good.

And the visual design is way better when you look at the aliens and tech.

 

[Raiden1018]

Movies are necessary?

From a story telling perspective, yes.

 

[TDLink]

The revisionist hatred for AOTC still befuddles me. Yes, it's terrible in many ways but in no way is it worse than TPM. Surely the people who think so were not there from the beginning when TPM debuted.

Absolutely not. I was "there from the beginning" for both. After TPM everyone was positive going into AOTC that it would definitely better and surely couldn't be worse...and it absolutely was.

The plot is incredibly weak. (Why is the attempt on Padme's life something that leads to the discovery of the clones? It just...kind of is)

Count Dooku was an incredibly weak antagonist who should have been much better...Django Fett was built up to be more of an antagonist who was quickly done away with.

The political conversations were even more prevalent and more boring.

The worst parts of the "romance" between Padme and Anakin were in AOTC and take up a significant portion of the film.

Yoda became a flipping acrobatic fighter despite otherwise using a cane and having no indication that he would ever do that. (Most people believed he was strong in the force, so much so that he would never even need a lightsaber.)

Even the music was weaker, there was nothing stand out like Duel of the Fates.

TPM isn't great, but at least it makes sense as a coherent film even if the pod race is a huge tangent. AOTC moves along with little sense, terrible character development, and horrible writing/acting.

 

[Toxi]

Even the music was weaker, there was nothing stand out like Duel of the Fates.

Though I absolutely agree with AotC being the worst prequel, you forgot Across the Stars.

 

[Discotheque]

Once the sequel trilogy wraps up, we'll all look back on the prequels much more fondly.

Maybe certain design decisions and the like. Didn't like how retreaded force awakens felt but it was a more tolerable movie than the prequels. I think the prequels are more interesting on paper but when you see how they play out its.....god damn.

I think the prequels will have had a bigger cultural impact tho when all is said and done. Still getting fanboy rants and documentaries about the disappointment of them (or in their defense) and it's been more than 10 years now.

 

[brandonh83]

From a story telling perspective, yes.

Right, and the prequels told a story. Folks can not like them, but it still told a story.

It's still extremely cringe-worthy though.

The only cringey lovey scene is when Padme is combing her fucking hair and Anakin is talking about how beautiful she is, but Hayden and Natalie's performances actually made it seem like it wasn't being taken seriously. I think it was self-aware and actually making fun of the love scenes in Episode II, which absolutely were taken seriously. It felt like a knowing parody of the romance stuff from the previous movie.

 

[Rumblebones]

There's little I despise more in pop culture than the open and unabashed hatred for George Lucas.

Yeah, the prequels were bad, but there some good in there, and on the net balance, all the good George Lucas put out in the world far outweighs the bad.

Can't imagine what it must have been like to see the world celebrate after I gave up the rights to something I created and had shepherded for a good few decades of my life.

 

[Raiden1018]

Right, and the prequels told a story. Folks can not like them, but it still told a story.

It was a story that didnt even need to be told. And it fucked up Vaders character and the emperor's and Yoda's in the process. Hell even Obi wan