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Report: NX to Feature PS4 -style Split D-Pad and Share Button

Oh god no. The PS4 dpad is fine for a few minutes. I remember my thumb hurting after playing Mega Man X4 for hours when I was little playing on the PS1. If you take a Nintendo Dpad and give it the tactility of the Xbox One controller, it would be the best Dpad!
 
I'm starting to wonder who she didn't tell because apparently most of you already knew this stuff...
In general, it is surprising what people will tell you if they know you're not the type to tell anyone else. The bad news is you can't talk about it, so you have to wait and hold your tongue when you see wacky posts. Everyone can't do that. :D
 

Pittree

Member
Oh well.. It seems I wasn't that wrong after all. It is going to be interesting to watch the reveal and see how it really looks like

Pittree said:
I came up with an idea of how to implement shoulder buttons (L/R) for both configurations while mantaining symmetry and ergonomics by adding a protective rim around the unit wich would hide the buttons and obviously protect the system from falls. I would like to know your opinion about it. And man, what a ride! We are pretty much designing a system now and I am willing to bet NX it is going to end up being nothing like it.

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She's not infallible, of course (female Link says hi), but no one person ever is.
Is BOTW out yet? No? Then female Link can still happen. Nintendo has their own marketing schedule and female Link could be announce later so if they were planning to announce female Link later of course they would say theres no female Link.

Since she has gotten good sources the past couple years, the only thing still open is female Link, Mother 3, and the NX stuff which all still have time to be announced. Even if she's wrong about any of them (I expect Mother 3 will be moved to NX at this point atleast) I'd still believe that she just got bad info this time and still think she's highly reliable next time since she has gotten so much right. Like I believe in various other insiders who have a good track record.

The Emily hate in every thread is so unwarranted. I hope everything is confirmed true just for the crow. Jeez.
 

Instro

Member
Is BOTW out yet? No? Then female Link can still happen. Nintendo has their own marketing schedule and female Link could be announce later so if they were planning to announce female Link later of course they would say theres no female Link.

Since she has gotten good sources the past couple years, the only thing still open is female Link, Mother 3, and the NX stuff which all still have time to be announced. Even if she's wrong about any of them (I expect Mother 3 will be moved to NX at this point atleast) I'd still believe that she just got bad info this time and still think she's highly reliable next time since she has gotten so much right. Like I believe in various other insiders who have a good track record.

The Emily hate in every thread is so unwarranted. I hope everything is confirmed true just for the crow. Jeez.

The "voice acting for everyone but Link" doesn't appear to be happening either.
 
The "voice acting for everyone but Link" doesn't appear to be happening either.
Eh, its a E3 demo, they just might not have done voice acting on anyone but Zelda to just show off a voice at E3. Plus we already know some stuff was removed from the demo (the villages) so I guess all we can do is wait to see more.
 
Is BOTW out yet? No? Then female Link can still happen. Nintendo has their own marketing schedule and female Link could be announce later so if they were planning to announce female Link later of course they would say theres no female Link.

Since she has gotten good sources the past couple years, the only thing still open is female Link, Mother 3, and the NX stuff which all still have time to be announced. Even if she's wrong about any of them (I expect Mother 3 will be moved to NX at this point atleast) I'd still believe that she just got bad info this time and still think she's highly reliable next time since she has gotten so much right. Like I believe in various other insiders who have a good track record.

The Emily hate in every thread is so unwarranted. I hope everything is confirmed true just for the crow. Jeez.

Just because people are reluctant to believe her doesn't mean they hate her.
 

spekkeh

Banned
Ok, I'm start to thinking how make a ergonomic mockup. So, I try to understand the standard format of current controls. They basic idea is 2 analogic, 1 dpad and 4 front buttons, with a curvature, like that:



That curvature is necessary to maintain the comfort for long playtimes in one of the 3 ways you need to hold the control:


Two hands in the 2 analogics. Most used for full 3D games.


One hand in one analogic and other hand in the buttons.


One hand in the Dpad and other in the buttons. The classic mode.

Most of the games you fix your hand in one of these 3 positions. You can push the others buttons but most of the time your hand will be fixed in that.

Now lets look at 3DS design:

They put the Apad and Dpad in line, but don't do the same on the other site, because they know it will make it bad to hold.

The truth is that, in a portable, the upper part in the best to put the buttons or analogic and the lower is a bad choice.

Sony try to make a tradicional desing with vita, but in the end, the small analogics don't help for long play times.

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So, the best we can have in a portable, is put the main buttons or analogic in the upper part. But since it can chance for each game you play, how they can do that?

Simple:

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and


The curvature to use different ways is not necessary if you ca always chance the main buttons or pads. Problem solved.
If the NX is like a tablet, you don't need to switch the individual elements around, you can also just flip the NX upside down. Put the two thumbsticks up top for modern 3D games, have the d-pad and buttons below, so that if you turn the NX around, you get a traditional controller.
 

Nanashrew

Banned
The "voice acting for everyone but Link" doesn't appear to be happening either.

We don't know. I personally don't expect every NPC to get a voice like say The Witcher has, just major ones in key scenarios/cinematics. We know Zelda is voiced at least but it's hard to tell much else from a demo that was stripped of towns and a majority of people.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
maybe these threads shouldn't be made when the person sharing the rumor hasn't even proved to be creditable tho.

I don't understand this kind of behaviour, really. You have the right to not believe her or these rumours, but we have as much right to believe and discuss them. So why don't you (not just you personally) stop acting like jerks and let people discuss what they're interested in?

This back and forth discussion about who's right and who's wrong and who's more credible doesn't lead anywhere. Why don't you let the mods decide if a rumour is reasonable enough to have a discussion based on it?
 

Richie

Member
Is BOTW out yet? No? Then female Link can still happen. Nintendo has their own marketing schedule and female Link could be announce later so if they were planning to announce female Link later of course they would say theres no female Link.

Since she has gotten good sources the past couple years, the only thing still open is female Link, Mother 3, and the NX stuff which all still have time to be announced. Even if she's wrong about any of them (I expect Mother 3 will be moved to NX at this point atleast) I'd still believe that she just got bad info this time and still think she's highly reliable next time since she has gotten so much right. Like I believe in various other insiders who have a good track record.

The Emily hate in every thread is so unwarranted. I hope everything is confirmed true just for the crow. Jeez.

On one hand, they've confirmed no playable female characters; that if there WERE to put one, it'd be the lady the series is named after, but that at least in mainline games they're gonna stick with male Link. So female Link is out.

On the other hand, Emily never really said female -Link-, she said female character, and there WERE discussions about this on the development team, so it's possible she got information from a time where it -seemed- like this could be a possibility...Her sources messed up in that one but there was smoke at least.

And in my third monster hand, where is the -hate- for Emily in this thread? I just searched for her name in all the pages this topic has (100 posts per page ftw) and she's really barely mentioned at all. Sure, some guys are skeptic, but "hate"?
 

Dystify

Member
Emily just said on twitter that she's extremely confident in all of her NX reports. I choose to believe her reports, even when many here won't. You're not forced to believe her, but resorting to personal attacks just cause you don't like it isn't very appropriate.

Either way, it's reassuring for me to hear this, because not only Emily reported these things as we know. Many sites did.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
LPVG says they're looking into it. I'm interested. No one has mentioned the scroll wheels, analog triggers, or anything really.
Especially if the controllers are supposed to function like Wii Mote/Vive controllers when detached.
A bit of a prediction/wishful thinking:
Like the L button on the 3DS boat, the shoulder buttons are going to be part of the system with ZR/ZL being on the detachable unit
Would make the until smaller and allow for more games to be playable with only the touch screen if you decide not to bring your controller

Yeah, I think scroll wheels are not happening at this point.

If the shoulder buttons are on the tablet, the detachable controllers must be pretty thin to be comfortable to reach those.
 
Emily just said on twitter that she's extremely confident in all of her NX reports. I choose to believe her reports, even when many here won't. You're not forced to believe her, but resorting to personal attacks just cause you don't like it isn't very appropriate.

Either way, it's reassuring for me to hear this, because not only Emily reported these things as we know. Many sites did.
Asking what evidence their is that someone's claims have been proven true is resorting to personal attacks?
 

MCN

Banned
Asking what evidence their is that someone's claims have been proven true is resorting to personal attacks?

Shut up, shit like this is what gets threads locked. What does it matter, it's all rumours anyway, and it's fun to discuss the rumours themselves without getting bogged down in the history of the person providing said rumours.
 

Dystify

Member
Asking what evidence their is that someone's claims have been proven true is resorting to personal attacks?

Who says I'm talking about you? I wasn't. You're not gonna find many leaks who have been proven with evidence though, that's rather the exception than the norm.
 

bounchfx

Member
there is no good reason to ever do a split d-pad. inferior in every way that matters to me.

nintenplease

hope it's not true or at least significantly more usable/comfortable than the other ones
 
There is a very good reason when the d-pad must be used as buttons when the sides are detached.
That sounds more like a compromise than a good reason. Sacrificing ergonomics and functionality for novelty. Thats why I cant believe Nintendo will do this. Just dont seem right to me if this is the primary control and controllers for the NX. I aint goin 🤐
 
Who says I'm talking about you? I wasn't. You're not gonna find many leaks who have been proven with evidence though, that's rather the exception than the norm.
You can't have been talking about me as I haven't been commenting on that particular issue, I just think it's strange to label someone as attacking just for asking a question.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
That sounds more like a compromise than a good reason. Sacrificing ergonomics and functionality for novelty. Thats why I cant believe Nintendo will do this. Just dont seem right to me if this is the primary control and controllers for the NX. I aint goin 🤐

We don't know yet if the ergonomics are sacrificed as we haven't seen the damn thing. The functionality though should be pretty much the same, I don't see the compromise there.
 

Dystify

Member
You can't have been talking about me as I haven't been commenting on that particular issue, I just think it's strange to label someone as attacking just for asking a question.

I wasn't talking about anyone in particular, because I don't want to call out people about this. There have been some not so nice remarks by some on NeoGAF, but I was also talking about people on twitter. They're usually more rude there.

You asking for evidence is not rude and not really what I was talking about at all with my comment. Let's not derail this topic. NeoGAF NX rumor threads tend to not last very long anyway lately. This only shortens its life span.
 
I wasn't talking about anyone in particular, because I don't want to call out people about this. There have been some not so nice remarks by some on NeoGAF, but I was also talking about people on twitter. They're usually more rude there.

You asking for evidence is not rude and not really what I was talking about at all with my comment. Let's not derail this topic. NeoGAF NX rumor threads tend to not last very long anyway lately. This only shortens its life span.
Ok, no worries.

I don't usually frequent these threads much so I am not up to date on the unwritten rules. It does seem strange to lock threads because some people question the history of the topic of the OP though.

In any regard, I don't want to derail, so enough from me.
 

Shiggy

Member
Shut up, shit like this is what gets threads locked. What does it matter, it's all rumours anyway, and it's fun to discuss the rumours themselves without getting bogged down in the history of the person providing said rumours.

Are you serious? Assessing a person's previous track record is pretty much necessary to check whether there's any truth behind these rumours.
 
We don't know yet if the ergonomics are sacrificed as we haven't seen the damn thing. The functionality though should be pretty much the same, I don't see the compromise there.
Well if its split we do. Theres a reason Nintendo patent the dpad. Its like every new rumor people automatically say, "Yes, this is good!" Like.. Nintendo been playing with cross dpad your whole life then all the sudden button Dpads are great? (ignore if you a playstation fan). If the goal of this NX thing is to achieve multiplayer through 1 portable and thats the end goal.. thats fine. I hope Nintendo win on that. But right now its sounds like an unrefined device.

For instance.. How you gon put 32 gb or even 64gb internal memory on a portable device which by design encourages digital download games? This not a ipad where the games are less than 1GB.. these full console games. They made a mistake with the 8GB Wii U as is. How they make a device you cant even play a game (XCX) properly without buying external memory? Its a handheld aint really an excuse because technically (based off of the rumors) this will be a hybrid like machine in technical terms.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
Well if its split we do. Theres a reason Nintendo patent the dpad. Its like every new rumor people automatically say, "Yes, this is good!" Like.. Nintendo been playing with cross dpad your whole life then all the sudden button Dpads are great? (ignore if you a playstation fan). If the goal of this NX thing is to achieve multiplayer through 1 portable and thats the end goal.. thats fine. I hope Nintendo win on that. But right now its sounds like an unrefined device.

I''m not saying that the button dpads are great or not. I'm saying that you shouldn't assume they are bad until you see what Nintendo is doing. If they were able to this God given never matched d-pad that I keep hearing about, I'm pretty sure they can come up with a great solution for a split d-pad too.

For instance.. How you gon put 32 gb or even 64gb internal memory on a portable device which by design encourages digital download games? This not a ipad where the games are less than 1GB.. these full console games. They made a mistake with the 8GB Wii U as is. How they make a device you cant even play a game (XCX) properly without buying external memory? Its a handheld aint really an excuse because technically (based off of the rumors) this will be a hybrid like machine in technical terms.

To make it cheap (hopefully). The people who buy digital games can buy also a SD card. Nintendo needs to have the entry price for this as lower as possible. How would it help you if they would put a storage in it only to charge you $50 or so more?
 
She's not infallible, of course (female Link says hi), but no one person ever is.

The rumor as she originally posted it didn't say "Female Link" but a female playable character. Everyone assumed it was Fem!Link/Linkle/Linkette, though.

Well if its split we do. Theres a reason Nintendo patent the dpad. Its like every new rumor people automatically say, "Yes, this is good!" Like.. Nintendo been playing with cross dpad your whole life then all the sudden button Dpads are great? (ignore if you a playstation fan). If the goal of this NX thing is to achieve multiplayer through 1 portable and thats the end goal.. thats fine. I hope Nintendo win on that. But right now its sounds like an unrefined device.

PlayStation D-pads are a single solid plane under the plastic. So you can't press, say, Up and Down on a PS D-pad simultaneously, same for a Nintendo D-pad. But if this rumor is so you can have controller halves on equal footing, then it must be more like the N64 C-buttons where each one is totally independent from the other (besides all sitting on the same membrane just like ABXY do).
 
I''m not saying that the button dpads are great or not. I'm saying that you shouldn't assume they are bad until you see what Nintendo is doing. If they were able to this God given never matched d-pad that I keep hearing about, I'm pretty sure they can come up with a great solution for a split d-pad too.



To make it cheap (hopefully). The people who buy digital games can buy also a SD card. Nintendo needs to have the entry price for this as lower as possible. How would it help you if they would put a storage in it only to charge you $50 or so more?
Well why not just put no storage and put the price as low as possible? You pay how much storage you want to use
 

Mista Koo

Member
1) Why would it be extremely stupid? They bundled two controllers with Famicom/NES, and most of their most popular games for "casual" players are already multiplayer games that can be played with just directional input + a couple face buttons + maybe motion control. Great idea to make multiplayer in these titles possible right out of the box.

2) People currently have to buy extra controllers just to play with two people. I don't see the problem.
The NES gives you all the controllers you need to play with the max number of players. What you're proposing would be more similar to Wii U if the pad had detachable Wiimotes, and nunchucks were replaced with more Wiimotes.
Can't you imagine how confusing to consumers this would be??

I'd rather the detachable parts work as Wiimote nunchuck combo but sold together for multiple players/replacement, and have more buttons.
 

Yokai

Member
Just because people are reluctant to believe her doesn't mean they hate her.


My only reason for bringing this up was because I always believed that NeoGAF had a lot of policies when it comes to rumors, especially from sources without verification who also have a mixed track record. If zelda ends up with a female playable character option and the NX ends up being all she said it would (including more powerful than the PS4) then she's in the clear in my book.

Edit: turns out I had the wrong source in mind with that ps4 one, will leave it in for continuity's sake.

Also, the mother 3 thing is also still up in the air.
 

Roo

Member
My only reason for bringing this up was because I always believed that NeoGAF had a lot of policies when it comes to rumors, especially from sources without verification who also have a mixed track record. If zelda ends up with a female playable character option and the NX ends up being all she said it would (including more powerful than the PS4) then she's in the clear in my book.

Also, the mother 3 thing is also still up in the air.

lol
 

Hermii

Member
My only reason for bringing this up was because I always believed that NeoGAF had a lot of policies when it comes to rumors, especially from sources without verification who also have a mixed track record. If zelda ends up with a female playable character option and the NX ends up being all she said it would (including more powerful than the PS4) then she's in the clear in my book.

Also, the mother 3 thing is also still up in the air.

She never said it was more powerful than PS4. She did say it was an apple to Orange comparrison (which is true, Nvidia tegra vs AMD APU), and she said calling it Xbox one Level was pushing it.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
There is a very good reason when the d-pad must be used as buttons when the sides are detached.

So once again, compromising their basic control scheme in favor of a gimmick? That does sound like Nintendo.

Not to be overly pessimistic again, but damn I hope Nintendo knows what the fuck they are doing. They made so many missteps with the Wii-U just chasing the idea of 'screen in controller' that they had blinders on for the rest of the device.
Hopefully the NX isn't left to the same fate where Nintendo is endlessly chasing the idea of having detachable controllers without ever stopping to wonder why, especially when it's used to justify garbage design decisions like switching up the D-pad to a segmented one.
 

E-phonk

Banned
My only reason for bringing this up was because I always believed that NeoGAF had a lot of policies when it comes to rumors, especially from sources without verification who also have a mixed track record. If zelda ends up with a female playable character option and the NX ends up being all she said it would (including more powerful than the PS4) then she's in the clear in my book.

Also, the mother 3 thing is also still up in the air.

She never said that.
This was her NX news 3 months ago:

https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/so-about-nx/

After speaking to seven different people this week, I can say with confidence that this is false. NX isnot using x86 architecture like PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. The NX has special, custom-made chips and the overall design of the hardware is very modern. The chips are industry leading because they are very modern chips, but having modern chips doesn’t necessarily mean Nintendo is aiming to create the most powerful hardware on the market. Furthermore, any rumors on “Polaris chips” and “Polaris architecture” regarding NX is wacky. There’s a good reason why those discussions are wacky.

In terms of raw power, numerous sources tell me that NX is much closer to Xbox One than PlayStation 4. Even that might be stretching it a tiny bit.Anyone who is claiming that NX is “two times the power of PS4 GPU” is being misled by their sources. Based on what I’ve heard, I don’t believe the NX will compete directly with PS4 (Neo) / PS4K in raw power.
 

ggx2ac

Member
I don't get why people are worried about the D-pad. Nintendo have barely had any 3D games* that require precise and active input from the D-pad since the N64. (*Games where the controller has an analog stick or circle pad along with a D-pad.)

Even Nintendo weren't planning to have the D-pad in both the N64 and the GameCube controller. (I guess that explains why we had that tiny Gameboy Advance D-pad)

They only kept it there just to appease consumers.

I just went to check Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, it had the option for using the analog stick or the D-pad but, I noticed there were analog controls because Donkey Kong could walk or run with the analog stick.

Yoshi's Wooly World used both controls but there wasn't any analog movements, you push the stick and Yoshi moves the same regardless of pressure.

Then we have Smash Bros, a 2D game that technically could have used the D-pad as standard yet it's controls require analog movements.

Seriously, you guys should be concerned that we need to get good analog controls, those are where 95% of games for the NX will be for.

And again, you'll most likely be able to use classic controllers via Bluetooth when you have to play Virtual Console games. That or even make detachable controllers that have classic controls although I doubt that would sell well for a peripheral. Plenty of people have Classic controllers or Pro Controllers as it is.

Edit: lol I just noticed the overreaction someone was having over a D-pad.
 

jblank83

Member
All of a sudden the d-pad is the best thing nintendo ever made.

But it's not the first time people thought nintendo would lose the dpad.

Also in earlier d-pad discussion threads people seemed to hate the DS/3DS d-pad and I see people praising xbox's, so yeah...

All of a sudden? A few people hating the crosspad are outliers. The Nintendo crosspad is widely accepted as one of the best if not the very best d-pad.

There were a few implementations of the crosspad on the DS that were less than perfect. That doesn't mean the design is bad, just that particular implementation. Specifically the DS lite had problems hitting diagonals.
 

E-phonk

Banned
All of a sudden? A few people hating the crosspad are outliers. The Nintendo crosspad is widely accepted as one of the best if not the very best d-pad.

There were a few implementations of the crosspad on the DS that were less than perfect. That doesn't mean the design is bad, just that particular implementation. Specifically the DS lite had problems hitting diagonals.

It was tong in cheeck because of the many overreactions. I'm quite confident nintendo can make a good alternative to a normal dpad. I've used the PS3/4 one for years without ever feeling like my games controlled any less fluent.
 

Dystify

Member
Emily posted an article with a recap of NX hardware details. https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/recap-of-nx-hardware-details/

  • In May, I said Nvidia was involved with the system. (Source)
  • The screen is around 6 inches (6.2 to be specific)
  • The portable screen has a 720p resolution.
  • Multi-touch touchscreen (Haven’t heard anything about a stylus.)
  • 32 GB of internal storage is on the NX dev kit. (They may increase storage to 64GB for the final retail unit, but I doubt it.)
  • There is an SD Card port.
  • Dock Station has at least 2 USB ports on prototype. Not sure about final product.
  • NX will support Unreal Engine 4 and Unity engine
  • NX is below Xbox One and PlayStation 4 in raw power.
  • Dev kits are region free. I heard retail units might be region free too.
  • Nintendo still plans to support the 3DS with software through 2018.

A mockup posted in it:
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More in the link.
 
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