Inf3cted_b3ast
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I already bought the 49" version and was surprise to see a thread about it here. I guess I'm set to go. Ps4 pro pre prdered already + this TV.
What is HDR10? Goddamn, I feel so confused about 4K resolution stuff. I thought there was only HDR? Or is HDR10 just an extended name for HDR?
...I'm still not even sure I understand what HDR is. I need to read more about this, was thinking of getting a 4K TV this holiday.
HDR10
Why didn't Samsung choose to add support for Dolby Vision to its new UBD-K8500 disc player? It's simple really: Samsung is one of the leading supporters of the other HDR format, HDR10.
As HDR moved closer to becoming a viable TV technology, TV manufacturers like Samsung, Sony, and (originally) LG wanted a more open platform than Dolby offered. They probably didn't want to pay Dolby licensing fees, nor did they want to submit to a certification process that takes away some of their control over their own products. So, they began developing their own approaches to HDR video, which eventually evolved into one officially defined profile, labeled by the Consumer Technology Association in August 2015 as the HDR10 media profile.
HDR10 is built around the SMPTE ST 2084 electro-optical transfer function (again, it's the same as Dolby's PQ), and HDR10 content can have similar specs as Dolby Vision content in terms of brightness and color, although the HDR10 profile only lists 10-bit color versus Dolby's 12-bit color. [Editor's note: The original version of the story said that the mastering target for HDR10 is 1,000 nits, but we were informed by a respected source that Dolby Vision and HDR10 are essentially mastered in the same way in terms of nits. It's really dictated by the capabilities of the mastering monitor. Some of the first HDR10 titles were mastered at 4,000 nits, while others were around 1,000 to 1,200 nits.]
The major difference is in how the content is handled at the display end. The HDR10 approach doesn't dynamically map content based on the specific brightness and color output capabilities of a certain TV the way Dolby Vision can, and there isn't a set algorithm to ensure that the color is remapped the same way on every HDR10 display. So, in general, HDR10 is less precise. How that plays out in the real world depends on the specific capabilities/limitations of your TV.
The HDR10 profile has indeed become the format of choice on the vast majority of new HDR-capable TVs. Basically, if the HDR TV doesn't specifically mention Dolby Vision, then it most likely uses HDR10. HDR10 is also the mandated format in the Ultra HD Blu-ray spec, which means every UHD BD player must support playback of HDR10 content.
Vizio p series is also a stellar deal with amazingly low input lag.
Not with hdr on, though
Wow this seems like the best you can buy for PC usage atm
VA panel
10bit WCG
HDR10
4K60 4:4:4
43" not too big
4K 33ms input lag which is ok for mouse gaming
putting it in my upgrade list.
Does Samsung or Panasonic offers a similar class model?
The Z9D has a 100 inch model too in the same link. It's also Sony's latest TV this year.No, the ones on the stage were like, closer to 80 or 100 inches or whatever. Look at this samsung, 120,000 dollars.
https://www.engadget.com/2014/07/22/samsung-105-inch-4k-tv-costs-129-000-dollars/
I think this Samsung TV is in the same class.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EBG6CTG/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2ZU6DPWIGTIE3&coliid=IGRQ5CKH52P5V&psc=1
I had my eye on it but ended up getting the Sony xbr
I was literally in Best Buy today, about to buy this exact damn TV. The box didn't say HDR anywhere on it, so I asked the sales person if it was HDR and he told me no. So I didn't buy it.
what the heck best buy
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d
any downsides in going with the next model up? specifically the 55"
Yes. I bought the 2015 850C. Pre-firmware update it was buggy as hell... Post update it's solid.Did Sony sort out their issues with Android being really buggy? I purchased one of their 4K TVs last year, and it was so bad I returned it. Freezes, and reboots on a regular bases, and a ton of missing features, such as hdd recording.
I was literally in Best Buy today, about to buy this exact damn TV. The box didn't say HDR anywhere on it, so I asked the sales person if it was HDR and he told me no. So I didn't buy it.
what the heck best buy
Not quite as good in several areas that are important.
Sony is certainly better here IMO.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku7000
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800d
8 bit vs 10 bit alone would be a determining factor for me.
Were you looking at the 800C?I was literally in Best Buy today, about to buy this exact damn TV. The box didn't say HDR anywhere on it, so I asked the sales person if it was HDR and he told me no. So I didn't buy it.
what the heck best buy
That was probably the 700 series or last year's 800.I was literally in Best Buy today, about to buy this exact damn TV. The box didn't say HDR anywhere on it, so I asked the sales person if it was HDR and he told me no. So I didn't buy it.
what the heck best buy
Were you looking at the 700 series? I don't think those are HDR. Obviously, as indicated by the reviews and other such sources, the 800 series is HDR.
It's another TV with trade offs again.
X800D
-Average contrast for VA
-Color is eh
-/+Input lag is just acceptable
+Very Good pixel response on blur
+PC friendly (4:4:4 or 10bit)
KS8000
-Panel lottery for no bleed hopefully.
-Slightly above average pixel response on blur
-$300 more more 3" (min size)
+Awesome contrast
+Awesome colors
+PC friendly (4:4:4 or 10bit)
+Input lag is good
VizioP
-Average pixel response on blur
-$300 more for 3" (min size)
-No 4:4:4
+Awesome contrast
+Good colors
+PC 10bit
+Input lag is supurb
Now that you mention that, I think the sales person confused it for a 700 series. He told me the 700 series wasn't HDR, but I was definitely looking at this model. I had the model number written down and everything.
I think I'm gonna go back and buy it tomorrow.
Furthermore, here is a listing of TV's that have 10 bit color and 8 bit color in regards to HDR. You want 10 bit. Avoid 8 bit. The TV linked in the OP is 10 bit color. (Sony X800D)
But see the entire list for yourself here:
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/gradient
Hehe.. seeing new threads about "what is the best TVs for next gen etc" somehow bring nostalgic feeling to me. I remember the day I used to play console games using 14" CRT TV back in the 90s. Now? even a 40" HDTV is not enough ^_^
Furthermore, here is a listing of TV's that have 10 bit color and 8 bit color in regards to HDR. You want 10 bit. Avoid 8 bit. The TV linked in the OP is 10 bit color. (Sony X800D)
But see the entire list for yourself here:
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/gradient
LG 55' 4K Ultra HD with HDR + Xbox One S for 799.98
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/offer/182850/pcmcat748302046878.c?id=pcmcat748302046878
P sure that's not HDR, it doesn't list it on the page. Plus 43' screens are only 50 bucks cheaper, there's no way that's an HDR compatible set.
Thanks, very helpful.
I played PS2 on a 12 inch CRT in college.
Remember playing around with the blur settings to make the aliasing least apparent.
It was fucking brilliant. I still have that TV, and surprisingly haven't lost the remote either.
LG 55' 4K Ultra HD with HDR + Xbox One S for 799.98
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/offer/182850/pcmcat748302046878.c?id=pcmcat748302046878
The UH6150, on the other hand, offers a subpar HDR due to the lack of either Color Prime Pro, Ultra Luminance, or local dimming. In other words, the UH6150 can detect and display HDR content but without the ability to achieve the needed wide color gamut and higher peak brightness, the HDR content would appear more like a SDR (Standard Dynamic Range) than HDR.
The UH6550 fares significantly better in that regard than the UH6150 thanks to the inclusion of both local dimming and Ultra Luminance. Local dimming, as the name suggests, dims the LEDs for the darker areas of the image whereas the Ultra Luminance boosts the peak brightness. When used together, they can deliver deeper blacks and brighter highlights at the same time (and within the same frame) thus widening the brightness range. The UH6550 is also equipped with Color Prime Pro technology for expanding the range of colors that can be displayed on the screen. The wider range of both contrast and color the UH6550 is capable of ensures you can watch HDR movies the way they’re meant to be seen.
LG 55' 4K Ultra HD with HDR + Xbox One S for 799.98
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/offer/182850/pcmcat748302046878.c?id=pcmcat748302046878
LG 6150 uses a WRGB panels that substitutes a white subpixel for either the R, G, or B in each trio. With colored material, this represents a 25-33% resolution loss on average so you might say they're more like 3K rather than 4K. It's "legal" to sell them as 4K because the standards resolution patterns are black and white (which it passes), not color. There is a very real and noticeable loss of detail.
I read it(LG 55" UH6150) has a 8 bit panel with no Wide Color Gamut
http://tvevaluate.com/lg-uh6150-vs-...50-60uh6150-vs-60uh6550-55uh6150-vs-55uh6550/
Get the LG 55" UH6550 instead.
What's the average input lag of a 1080p lcd panel?
33ms
low
No No NO NOOOOOO
Tv industry is such a mess, this is one place i support apple to come in and reinvent the TV
It varies a lot, but some of the best Sony 1080p TV's had input lag around 15ms.