Hopefully this helps Gaffers understand whats going on
Notice how the SDR image looks washed out in comparison to the HDR image.
It has the same problems as 3D and VR. A lot of this tech relies on the end users experience and HDR doesn't have the same "nostalgia" (for lack of a better word) as 3D and VR.
HDR is great in person
Precisely this, to be honest. Exactly as the jump from EGA to VGA to SVGA to current 8-bit displays were. I think the biggest difference is a lot of media (games, especially) is technically forward-compatible now because of rendering techniques that can be updated, hence why the discussion is a little different w.r.t the PS4 Pro as opposed, to, say, remakes of EGA games in VGA.
PSY・S;216477498 said:
I feel ya xD
I think the first few years of HDR is going to be a lot of creators 'lens-flaring' it up. In other words, things are going to look gaudy when they try to show how awesome HDR is by using the extreme contrast for no other reason than they can. A lot of the 'demo' HDR images such as the one below make the image look like it's been run through some gaudy instagram filter.
Like the blue went from something natural into some cartoonish blue. I know HDR gives a lot of potential for creators of content, but I hope they get the gaudiness in check quickly and use the expanded contrast/color palette in a more tasteful fashion.
Ahhhhhhhh, great info. Much clearer now thanks!
Now, that's how i explain HDR
You need two separate pictures to understand the difference, because, heh, you're seeing things through a SDR screen.
There you go.
On the left, the picture as shot. To be able to show some detail in the dark, everything outside the window is blown out, almost solid white.
That's not overexposed though: the camera still captured details and colors correctly for that area, as would your eyes.
Those details are there, but your monitor cannot display them.
That's why cranking down exposure in post processing using lightroom or camera raw, I am able to recover the blue sky and the foliage outside. (Pic on the right.)
Of course, now i lost details in the shadows and everything turned black.
HDR screens, if we're not being lied to, should be able to show you the entire range captured by the camera at the same time.
So you'd see what's inside and what's outside of the window.
No, merging the two pics and tone mapping is not the same, you'd just compress brightness values of the scene within the 0-255 range your tv can display.
HDR screens can only display something more comparable to what eyes see, but not quite the full range.Now, that's how i explain HDR
You need two separate pictures to understand the difference, because, heh, you're seeing things through a SDR screen.
There you go.
On the left, the picture as shot. To be able to show some detail in the dark, everything outside the window is blown out, almost solid white.
That's not overexposed though: the camera still captured details and colors correctly for that area, as would your eyes.
Those details are there, but your monitor cannot display them.
That's why cranking down exposure in post processing using lightroom or camera raw, I am able to recover the blue sky and the foliage outside. (Pic on the right.)
Of course, now i lost details in the shadows and everything turned black.
HDR screens, if we're not being lied to, should be able to show you the entire range captured by the camera at the same time.
So you'd see what's inside and what's outside of the window.
No, merging the two pics and tone mapping is not the same, you'd just compress brightness values of the scene within the 0-255 range your tv can display.
Braketed HDR image is basically what we have before tonemap to the crappy 256 values of RGB on standard TV, lot of the data just vanishes at that moment.
I saw a display yesterday at a best buy that was two identical TVs side by side running the same video on a loop where one had HDR and the other didn't, and it wasn't nearly the difference that these photographs are showing. Like it was still noticeable that the colors were better, but I wouldn't call it a night and day difference, unless "night and day" just means "I could see a difference at all".
Cameras can capture it, just it that needs to be captured properly. (Bracketed shot.)