On that note, y'all can dress as this:
And we will not care. Heck, we will invite you for food! All you gotta do is bring some wine!
Are those pasties?! Lmao
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Disney releases Maui costume that lets kids pretend to be Polynesian
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Are those pasties?! Lmao
Sho_Nuff82
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How the fuck else are they supposed to make the costume?
It's not the same thing. This is a specific case where the skin is a unique and essential part of the character and required as part of the costume.
I don't understand people crying cultural appropriation or whatever when it's done in a way the person is respecting the culture he is trying to portray or whatever it might be.
A white or black person dressing with Asian clothes because they like the design or the culture? No problem. An Asian person dressing with classic Europe costumes? If they are not making fun of it or anything, go ahead? Specially when it's an event.
I think it takes some balls (and ignorance) to just go to someone and tell them not to dress like your culture because reasons. First of all, you can't speak for everybody from that culture to tell others not to appropriate it, second, if they are doing it in a respecting way, why would you even bother trying to stir shit up?
As for this dress, I haven't read the description text but if there's no weird racist shit there, I don't have much of an issue with it. Kids trying to act like heroes or heroines from a different race because they want to be like them? How is that a bad thing?
A white or black person dressing with Asian clothes because they like the design or the culture? No problem. An Asian person dressing with classic Europe costumes? If they are not making fun of it or anything, go ahead? Specially when it's an event.
I think it takes some balls (and ignorance) to just go to someone and tell them not to dress like your culture because reasons. First of all, you can't speak for everybody from that culture to tell others not to appropriate it, second, if they are doing it in a respecting way, why would you even bother trying to stir shit up?
As for this dress, I haven't read the description text but if there's no weird racist shit there, I don't have much of an issue with it. Kids trying to act like heroes or heroines from a different race because they want to be like them? How is that a bad thing?
Hypnotoad
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As a half-German, I only get to be half-offended if someone tries to wear Lederhosen. Then again, it is not even a German attire, but a Bavarian one, so thank God I never wore them before, otherwise I would have appropriated their culture...
...but if someone who is not a native Hamburgian were to wear some of our traditional Hanseatic fashion, or some foreigner wanted to bake a Franzbrötchen and put his own spin on it, or even worse, greet me with "Moinsen" or "Hummel, hummel", then yes, I would be half-offended.
...but if someone who is not a native Hamburgian were to wear some of our traditional Hanseatic fashion, or some foreigner wanted to bake a Franzbrötchen and put his own spin on it, or even worse, greet me with "Moinsen" or "Hummel, hummel", then yes, I would be half-offended.
It's also not used in any kind of pejorative or mocking sense at all.
I don't understand the greetings so can't say much, but for the other stuff.. why would you even care? I'm from Spain and living in Japan. Here they have flamenco classrooms in some places and have seen a couple Japanese people dressing as flamenco dancers, and it has never ever bothered me. I'm happy they like part of the culture I'm from (note: not my culture, I don't own it), so the more power to them. If I see (and have) someone or some restaurant make variants of Spanish food like paella or Spanish omelette, if I like it, good, if I don't, eh that's just the taste is bad, no appropriation issue there.
I seriously don't understand the whole being offended when someone is trying to do something with another culture when it's not to mock it or anything similar.
tattooed cellophane, of course. Jeez
Audioboxer
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This. It's also precisely what I've been trying to say. Children like make believe based upon clothing and feeling like they are a character, not 1:1 copying down to skin colour of all things.
crisdecuba
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Read the thread. People have given various good reasons to clarify why this particular costume isn't offensive. You should still have a problem with blackface.
Hypnotoad
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I should have put a /s at the end. I thought that much was obvious. But I guess this being GAF, I can see a similar post written to be taken at face-value.
RocknRola
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Yup lol
We honestly give no shits about any of this
Though, on a more serious notes, I've read some opinion pieces (not necessarily about blackface mind you) that this sort of attitude (the "don't care what you do with my culture") might have to do with how old the actual culture/country is and just how much suffering/oppresion it has gone through.
In my mind it kinda makes sense in a way, but I'll be honest, I'm no expert on these things and I know very little of how people from oppressed cultures/backgrounds actually do react to these things. So it might be something that applies only in very particular situations.
As for the issue at hand, I don't really see any problem with it but I'm not Polynesian either soo..yeah.
andythinkpad
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I am ok with it.
Not so much in this kind of threads!. Sorry for the serious reply then!
Paracelsus
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I wonder if they're gonna make one with the loss edit.
umm Mulan is chinese so how would her Chinese Hanfu be a Japanese Kimono
Check yourself before you get a twitter campaign started against you
Uh oh, you've just opened the floodgates. Brace yourself.
Herb Alpert
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I just don't understand the issue, apart from the fact that it looks quite ugly...
How can people see this as offensive? Serious and honest question.
How can people see this as offensive? Serious and honest question.
Scientist Supreme!
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Hypnotoad
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No problem, but you are right, in this kind of thread it could be a serious post. And then the equally-serious counterargument would point out that Hamburg culture is predominantly white, which of course automatically disqualifies it for the appropriation discourse.
I'd only be offended if it came with taro and a box of corned beef. But since it doesn't, nah.
There is no way you could make a costume for this character and not piss of people who are screaming cultural appropriation.
Ok its the skin colour, sweet we'll make it clear?(Side note we now have half naked children wearing our costume, but we cant make it white either)
Ok now its the tattoos because thats cultural appropriation as well ok we'll take them away!
Ok now its the necklace and the traditional dress quick remove those!
But now we dont have a costume for the kids to enjoy. I'd say the vast majority complaining about this have no idea about this culture or its people, they just must have an opinion on it.
It looks cool nuff' said hope kids enjoy it.
Ok its the skin colour, sweet we'll make it clear?(Side note we now have half naked children wearing our costume, but we cant make it white either)
Ok now its the tattoos because thats cultural appropriation as well ok we'll take them away!
Ok now its the necklace and the traditional dress quick remove those!
But now we dont have a costume for the kids to enjoy. I'd say the vast majority complaining about this have no idea about this culture or its people, they just must have an opinion on it.
It looks cool nuff' said hope kids enjoy it.
Gordon Shumway
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Did..did they skin tiny little people? 🙄
Spaced Harrier
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Hey don't be stealing corned beef from my culture you fuck, that's Irish.
(No, it's not)
Sorry. It belongs to us now just like how we took spam from...where did spam come from again?
Nigeria
What country do you think would shove salty ass pre-cooked pork in a can ready to eat.
MURICA
Also I actually tried Spam Musubi, shit was great.
Then with respect, I think that's your problem to deal with, not Disney's or society's.
Let's keep the costume out of the stores - "WHY IS THERE NO MAUI COSTUME, THAT'S RACISM!"-outrage is unleashed
Can't win in 2016, they should have made this movie years ago.
It really is. Now try some manapua some time. Kalua pork in a bun, steamed. It's heavenly.
We took that idea from the asians. Thank you asian GAF.
Laieon
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I see no problem with this costume.
There was a thread last week for some bad KPOP song where people got angry because Koreans are appropriating black culture by producing hip hop music, so you're not wrong.
There was a thread last week for some bad KPOP song where people got angry because Koreans are appropriating black culture by producing hip hop music, so you're not wrong.
Rabbi_Vole
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The World has gone mad.
We need to setup an ongoing commission to determine what is and what isn't offensive. The commission will have 2 of every race, 1 man/1 woman. The commission can either be used to judge and ban/allow potentially offensive subject matter after the fact and/or they can be used as consultants to hone a product such as this into something that won't trigger certain groups. Just as most electronics have UL certification labels, we will soon have something similar for this group.
Problem solved.
We need to setup an ongoing commission to determine what is and what isn't offensive. The commission will have 2 of every race, 1 man/1 woman. The commission can either be used to judge and ban/allow potentially offensive subject matter after the fact and/or they can be used as consultants to hone a product such as this into something that won't trigger certain groups. Just as most electronics have UL certification labels, we will soon have something similar for this group.
Problem solved.
Do you even intersectionality, bro?
bluelightningduo
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I wonder... are those lightly skin colored inflatable sumo costumes racist or ethnically insensitive?
The outrage culture of today confuses me.
The outrage culture of today confuses me.
Great, only one problem: There are 60 genders
Audioboxer
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But kids don't usually give a shit. Like a skin colour mismatch with their heads and hands on part of a costume is the least of the kids concern. They simply want to be recognized as a character and feel like them. Imagination. Hence why corrupting that in an "innocent" child's mind by controlling them over stupid stuff like this creates precisely the problem soo many are apparently railing against.
So yeah, more often than not it's the parents creating the issue trying to make their kids into something they want (or don't), rather than letting their kids simply dress up and have some fun.
IIRC one kids Halloween event when I was young I wanted to go as Mrs Doubtfire (IIRC because I'm trying to remember if it was a school event or Scouts event). My parents laughed and let/helped me dress up as an old women. No shits were given. Imagination and letting a child be a child. Plus I looked pretty bad ass in a dress and makeup.
Rabbi_Vole
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We can make the positions on the commission rotate every 6 days to account for all 60 genders.
It's not that big a deal if a few costumes arent made for everyone. There are 100s of thousands to choose from, and given how much shit Disney licenses, I wouldnt be surprised if there were several variations on Maui.
He's sort of a difficult character to dress as without the muscle suit though.
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