perfectchaos007
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Getting gun education is key to not end up being a statistic. If I ever own a home, I'll probably buy a gun, but I'll take some safety courses first.
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Video shows woman shoot at burglars in home invasion
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Getting gun education is key to not end up being a statistic. If I ever own a home, I'll probably buy a gun, but I'll take some safety courses first.
Jawbreaker
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Damn, that lady is intense. Glad she's unharmed.
JetBlackPanda
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Don't invade peoples homes. seems kind of simple?
AllIsOneIsNone
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She's pretty lucky, her form wasn't so hot.
Looks like only one round hit anyone.
I don't think any of them fired their guns.
There is nothing "brave" in shooting people when armed.
In an hypothetical scenario, she saved herself from being killed or worse. So good for her.
On the other hand, she traded getting robbed (of money/mundane things), for the life of another human being.
And potentially getting herself killed or worse (by escalating the situation) in the process.
And potentially killing another bystander when she blindly shoot in the street.
So yeah.
In an hypothetical scenario, she saved herself from being killed or worse. So good for her.
On the other hand, she traded getting robbed (of money/mundane things), for the life of another human being.
And potentially getting herself killed or worse (by escalating the situation) in the process.
And potentially killing another bystander when she blindly shoot in the street.
So yeah.
self defense
How is it not brave to defend your home against 3 armed assholes? Also, we didn't have a street view.
It's crazy how you're making assumptions about what she was "trading" for. They brought guns for a reasons. The cost of home invasion is potentially death.
perfectchaos007
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If the robbers stood their ground and got into a shootoff with her, then her poor aim could have been costly for her. However, 99% of the time just firing the gun will cause robbers to run away because they aren't expecting the home owner to come after them with a gun. And they don't want to die, they just want some loot
RockTurtle
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when 3 dudes bust in your door military style with handguns, getting robbed is the last thing one probably expects
AllIsOneIsNone
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She did the right thing. The guys had guns so they could have very easily got spooked and shot her, even if she didn't have a gun.
And you know shes blindly shooting in the street how?
Hari Seldon
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Banning guns for self defense would mean someone like this would be completely helpless in this scenario. She probably barely weighs 100 lbs.
The Albatross
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Depends on the state. In some states, she can be sued for this. Hell, in some states she could be sued if the home invader cut his leg on the broken window that he broke to climb into the house, or if he tripped on a loose step and broke his foot going up the stairs to murder her.
Or maybe she traded getting raped and killed by 3 people. Who knows at the moment. In any scenario, If 3 people break into your house, they're not usually there to "trade." But, this is NeoGaf, so of course the wrong doer here is the person who's having their home invaded.
That's fucking scary as shit. She did what she had to do to protect herself.
Personally, I'm not a fan of guns, in a perfect world, we wouldn't have them at all, but far be it from me to begrudge people that own them and use them responsibly. She was a badass and protected herself and her guy.
Personally, I'm not a fan of guns, in a perfect world, we wouldn't have them at all, but far be it from me to begrudge people that own them and use them responsibly. She was a badass and protected herself and her guy.
MrChocolate
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Another human being that potentially endangered her own life? Are you being dense on purpose?
What? Dudes entered with weapons drawn. Real chance she could have been killed regardless of whether she had a weapon or not.
Defending yourself and your home against 3 armed men seems pretty brave to me. So yeah.
PandaShake
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Holy shit all three were carrying. They were expecting to meet homeowners. Quick reaction on her part.
Lol. Gun education. America barely struggles with regular education.
On second viewing, nope, still look like her eye was on a target firing that last shot.
That's true, but I suspect that the lives saved to lives killed due to the prevalence of guns is 1:100 if not 1:1000 in the US, so it would not make much sense to have something like this dictate gun policy.
I don't think gun safety courses make the difference. Gun ownership is the apotheosis of the DunningKruger effect; everyone thinks they wouldn't be twitchy enough to shoot at a shadow, or dumb enough to discharge the weapon at themselves when cleaning, or calm enough to lay waste to invaders with accuracy, or even-tempered enough not to shoot someone over a dumb argument. Law of averages says most of those people are wrong, and it's just going to take the right set of circumstances to line up for tragedy to occur.
There are multiple ways to get educated on how to safely use and keep guns, this is silly.
Aztechnology
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Because when someone breaks into your house they could easily have weapons. Even if they didn't three men could easily overpower you almost instantly and easily kill/rape etc without weapons.
RockTurtle
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entremet
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Rape would've probably been the "best" case scenario here. Home invasions with lone females living in the domicile don't end too hot sadly. Most end up sexually assaulted and killed.
Angelus Errare
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Hari Seldon
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She also didn't get raped which is always good.
Airola
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Didn't the invaders "trade" anything? They were the ones who made the first choice to do something.
Do we really want to wonder why the woman risked her life by defending herself instead of thinking why the invaders risked their lives breaking in someone else's home with the intention to at least rob the place (and possibly wanting also to harm the people living there as they evidently had guns with them)?
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Good for her. Glad she is alright.
A Link to the Past
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The issue with the argument of citing instances like this is that a lot of the people who cite it ignore, either willfully or innocently, all of the instances where gun ownership ends poorly for an innocent person (be it the gun owner, their family or friends, or innocent strangers).
Dynamite Shikoku
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America is a scary place :/
Team bad guys.
Yes, I'm sure these men had so much to offer the world, what a tragic loss.
Give me a break. These guys made their choice. Fuck 'em, the world's better off.
I addressed the possibility of the 1st scenario on the comment you quoted.
And just to be clear, I'm not saying that she is "the wrong doer" in a home invasion. She faced the situation as it came. And repeating myself, it's good that she is ok. But a person is now dead. And shooting first (and thus escalating) always entails a high level of risk on its own.
I (as a lot of people in the world) have faced home invasions, arms included. It's a given that sometimes things goes wrong. But going straight from "someone is in the house" to "kill, kill, kill!" is -in my opinion- rarely justified. Guess I value the life of other people more. Not every robber is a bloody mass murderer.
What did he mean by this?
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Will y'all pro-gun folk show out in support for Keith Scott (if he had a gun...) like you do for this woman? I promise gaffers wont try to argue against you for those posts
gamechanger87
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There's always one.
She should definitely have waited until they shot her so she could return fire. Use the Last Man Standing death perk to revive and finish them off.
If someone kicks in your door, they mean you harm one way or another. You wait and you may get killed or raped or you defend yourself and have a chance.
They were armed, and it looked like two of them weren't wearing masks. There's a high chance that had the robbery been successful, they would have killed her and her roommate because they had seen their faces.
Bullets are dangerous, and yes, and innocent bystanders could have been hurt, but I can understand a citizen in a tense/panic situation probably wouldn't be thinking about it in the heat of the moment. Self preservation kicks in, and she was shooting to protect herself. I'm glad no bystanders were hurt, that's lucky. There's no point in playing the "but what if bystanders had gotten hurt?" game, because that's not what happened. She's alive, her roomate's alive, her neighbors are alive. The guy that broke into her house, armed with a firearm is dead. I generally don't agree with criminals getting shot dead for committing a crime, but in this instance, he was armed, with the weapon drawn, and was breaking into a home to rob it. It was definitely a life or death situation, and she was in the right to defend herself and her roommate.
Bullets are dangerous, and yes, and innocent bystanders could have been hurt, but I can understand a citizen in a tense/panic situation probably wouldn't be thinking about it in the heat of the moment. Self preservation kicks in, and she was shooting to protect herself. I'm glad no bystanders were hurt, that's lucky. There's no point in playing the "but what if bystanders had gotten hurt?" game, because that's not what happened. She's alive, her roomate's alive, her neighbors are alive. The guy that broke into her house, armed with a firearm is dead. I generally don't agree with criminals getting shot dead for committing a crime, but in this instance, he was armed, with the weapon drawn, and was breaking into a home to rob it. It was definitely a life or death situation, and she was in the right to defend herself and her roommate.
Violent criminals have no sympathy from me. They were prepared to kill the home owners if need be.
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