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Video shows woman shoot at burglars in home invasion
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Zoe
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They probably store stuff for the restaurant there.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
It looks like a garage
The cameras are part of the the security system and what probably alerted her to the fact that three men were attempting to break in.
Snkfanatic
Banned
Maybe not shoot someone as soon as she opened the door to them? Why even open the door to a knock in the middle of the night if you are that paranoid.
Unless you are talking about the story in the OP then yeah...I have nothing on that one. But the story from the person you quoted is insane...
Look, each scenario is different, so don't think it's worthwhile to discuss all possibilities. Sure sometimes shooting might be the best option.
All I'm saying is:
1) Some people are too eager to use their weapons at the first provocation, and doing so, may actually makes things worse. A lot worse.
2) This is in clear contradiction with some posters here, but I personally would feel horrible if I had killed someone, if I didn't have the certainty that the person had the intention to hurt my family or me. And if you notice in the video, even though the 3 of them seem to carry guns, none of them shoot back. So, either those were fake or they never had the intention to hurt anyone to begin with.
Sure, in the heat of the moment, you don't know. You have to take the best guess, and act accordingly. I just personally have never considered "shooting first" as my top priority. And thankfully, have no deaths to lament so far.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Happy the woman was able to protect herself.
Hopefully this isn't turned to an argument against gun control by the ignorant masses.
Hopefully this isn't turned to an argument against gun control by the ignorant masses.
Vicetrailia
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Robbers get fucked. But also, that guy up front had a perfect chance to shoot her first but he didn't. Thank god he didn't (she's pretty lucky, although he'd eventually go to jail due to this footage). Cameras rock.
Amory
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You've also never been in the situation where three armed men just kicked your door in, so you actually have no idea what you'd do and you're talking out of your ass.
JHoNNy1OoO
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Video looks like three stooges type comedy. Incredibly surreal.
KurtSloane
Banned
Yeah, taking the moral high ground with relation to a situation that they have never experienced is par for the course in this type of thread.
I am certainly not prepared to be a victim, you break in with guns then consider yourself fair game.
Fair play lady, good job.
Honestly, with that kind of firepower I'd expect that those home invasions are drug related, as in someone knew the home was full of cash / drugs or a deal went south.
Adrenaline, and the fact that firing a gun in a dark, relatively confined space is going to be ear-splitting and incredibly disorienting.
"Excuse me, sirs. Before I decide what method to use to defend myself, what is your intention with your guns after breaking down my door? Thank you."
As an expert on myself, I appreciate when others don't make assumptions about my life.
If you feel particularly interested, we can talk via PM. Or you could just read between lines on the comments I put in this thread. Ultimately, is irrelevant because -again-, each scenario is different. You simply can't apply the same logic to all of them.
Digital-Hero
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With the way she was shooting, she could have shot her own housemate. Glad she lived and defended herself though.
FallingEdge
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yeah, living is a terrible consequence
This was not a burglary. This was a robbery. Burglary is entering a property to take stuff. Robbery is the theft of property by force or implication of force. Most burglaries occur during the day when people are not home, burglars generally don't have weapons. They want in and out with the goods and want to encounter no one.
This was a home invasion, they came prepared to do violence, and there was no stealth.
Fuck em.
Not a burglary, a home invasion. 100% of home invasions result in violent victimization, by definition.
This was a home invasion, they came prepared to do violence, and there was no stealth.
Fuck em.
Not a burglary, a home invasion. 100% of home invasions result in violent victimization, by definition.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
One of them is literally pointing a gun at her face before she fires her first shot.
She did the right thing and I'm sure she knows it.
Who knows, maybe his gun malfunctioned or he still had the safety on. Dude may have pulled the trigger on her.
Mammoth Jones
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You have a split second to decide to submit to something like that or fight for your life.
She chose to fight. She chose to survive. And I do not blame her in the slightest.
Not gonna shit on her for a hypothetical neighbor getting shot when that didn't happen.
Don't feel any sympathy for the lunatic that got killed. Hope the other two get locked up for life.
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Vilix
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My thoughts exactly.
Would have been better if they (the criminals) had no guns at all no?
All I'll say on the issue is, I think it sucks one of them died, I prefer incarceration and reformation.
I'll agree with this. They were already running. Her standing in the door unloading the rest of the bullets after they took off after 2 shots were complete overkill. I get that adrenalin is running high, but at that point she was just out for blood.
All I'll say on the issue is, I think it sucks one of them died, I prefer incarceration and reformation.
I'll agree with this. They were already running. Her standing in the door unloading the rest of the bullets after they took off after 2 shots were complete overkill. I get that adrenalin is running high, but at that point she was just out for blood.
OK, honest question:
I totally get her reaction while inside the house...but why is it legal to shoot people who are running away from you in the back? At that point you already defended yourself, your home and whatever else, you won.
Example from here in germany from last year: Five armed (turned out the guns where softairs) people broke into a rich senior's house, tied him up and tried to access his safe. They activated the alarm, panicked and the senior used the chance to grab his rifle. The five guys ran away and the senior shot one of them in the back.
He was later convicted for manslaughter since it wasn't a case of self-defense because they were already running away: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama...-an-jaehrigem-einbrecher-verurteilt-1.2710693
Aren't you just taking the law into your own hands and shoot at people who wronged you because you are angry or shocked or pumped up instead of simply trying to defend yourself at that point?
I totally get her reaction while inside the house...but why is it legal to shoot people who are running away from you in the back? At that point you already defended yourself, your home and whatever else, you won.
Example from here in germany from last year: Five armed (turned out the guns where softairs) people broke into a rich senior's house, tied him up and tried to access his safe. They activated the alarm, panicked and the senior used the chance to grab his rifle. The five guys ran away and the senior shot one of them in the back.
He was later convicted for manslaughter since it wasn't a case of self-defense because they were already running away: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama...-an-jaehrigem-einbrecher-verurteilt-1.2710693
Aren't you just taking the law into your own hands and shoot at people who wronged you because you are angry or shocked or pumped up instead of simply trying to defend yourself at that point?
A Link to the Past
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She should not have shot into the streets at the very least, that shit is dangerous. Punishment no, but education yes.
Might I ask what certainty you are looking for to justify self-defense? What would be a likely scenario?
As I see it, the man was walking right at her with a gun pointed in her direction. How is she to know whether he is just being a "tough guy" or looking to harm her physically, either through harsh beatings, rape or murder? Even if he is someone only trying to act tough, I would think with all the gun topics on this forum, people are fully aware how easily a gun can be fired by accident when people are acting irresponsibly.
Waiting for that certainty you mention likely means it is already too late, as they have already caused harm in some manner for you to realize they aren't nice people. They certainly won't be discussing their actions beforehand so you can be better prepared.
I don't believe it is always legal and is something that varies from state to state. However, I imagine a lot of it depends on circumstances and on a case by case basis. Shooting someone poking around on your lawn and running away probably will get you in a lot of trouble, but a woman who is high on adrenaline and fear from 3 armed men smashing into her home and pointing weapons at her will probably get some sympathy. Unless you are some sort of trained professional, anyone in such a scenario is likely going to be running on survival instincts and not entirely rational thought.
You're assuming one or both of them didn't turn around and come back towards the house, even to help their injured accomplice.
Yes. Good for her and good to see GAF talking sense here.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I think it would depend on the circumstances and what state of mind you would expect the shooter to be in. It's easy to believe that in her situation, she wasn't being super rational and was afraid and making quick decisions without any deliberate thought behind them. Now if they ran out and she continued to give chase outside and then gunned them down, that's when you get into the area of taking justice into your own hands.
No way she catches charges though. They had guns, multiple intruders so there would be an expectation of confusion, she didn't give chase once they left the house, and immediately called the police.
Hari Seldon
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I think the law should take into account that unless you are a war veteran or participate in shoot outs all the time, you are 100% guaranteed to act irrationally in that situation.
EstoyBlackWaldo
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Hell yes with all of what you said.
She defended herself and that's great by all means. Theres no need for these "what ifs" because what happened already happened. You come with the intent to rob, on private property they have a right to protect themselves by any means necessary.
That lady and this guy were just living their lives....in their homes.
as for the guy again, he didn't do any jail time I believe.
I think for myself, it depends how far someone has ran away from my home.... If they are close by, then I wouldn't take a chance... I didn't choose this. I was just living my life, in my home.... and someone tried to potentially end it
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
You're not allowed to chase down and kill a fleeing invader in the US. People have been charged for murder for doing that here.
But if you're in your own garage with people who happen to be running away from you there is nothing wrong with shooting them. They could just turn around and shoot you at that close proximity. You are still in danger.
King Gilga
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Good on her, no pity for the invaders.
This is USA. Not only can you shot someone while they running away. You can chase after them and kill them.
http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_133
Because the laws in the US allow people to shoot intruders in their home if they believe their life is in danger. Shooting at 3 armed individuals can easily be justified. Even if they are running, they are armed and outnumber you. And as we saw with the one that passes literally right in front of her, he was running but still could have easily shot and killed her. Running away doesn't mean they no longer pose a threat.
Now if they were unarmed and running away, that's a whole different story. You would have little to no justification for self-defense. She clearly states that all three have guns and although she could not see them clearly, she defended self and property. She only fired when the one guy points a gun at her. She also stayed within her property and didn't go hunting them down, showing further that she was defending, not out there just looking for blood.
Zoe
Member
I could be wrong, but it actually looks like she was already on the phone as this went down.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
If you are breaking into someone's property in America, you should expect to get killed. There's nothing wrong with defending yourself, even if you don't know if the robbers have guns or not.
That's just the price you pay for breaking and entering. Don't wanna get killed? Don't break into places.
Pretty obvious, actually.
That's just the price you pay for breaking and entering. Don't wanna get killed? Don't break into places.
Pretty obvious, actually.
Yeah, no. This varies greatly depending on the state you live in and the circumstances of the robbery. There is no blanket protection for all citizens in this country to run around chasing after robbers.
LizardKing
Member
But you can't ignore instances like this either. It's not just a numbers game. If you took away this woman's gun you are basically telling her sorry you have to die. We won't let you have something to protect yourself. It makes a hell of a difference when that person is you and you won't give a damn about the numbers. Training/education is a good way to make the numbers come out better.
Ziltoidia 9
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Especially if they are armed. She did everything she had to do and should have done.
WeAreStarStuff
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Now I'm wondering how the women reacted so quickly. Basically as soon as they bombarded in she was shooting at them.
Good for her for defending herself. I'm glad she wasn't hurt as she easily could have been. That footage is crazy, I'm not even sure I'd be as collected as she was - impressive.
Good question - maybe she saw them outside before they busted in?
Good question - maybe she saw them outside before they busted in?
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