Forgive me if I've missed this detail, but what's up with this house? Security cameras inside and stacks of consumer goods in the living spaces, plus a resident ready to throw down apparently somewhat competently with lethal force?
It looks like a garageForgive me if I've missed this detail, but what's up with this house? Security cameras inside and stacks of consumer goods in the living spaces, plus a resident ready to throw down apparently somewhat competently with lethal force?
What should she have done?
Do you honestly believe that if you always comply, robbers will say "tyvm," take the goods, and walk off? That is incredibly naive... You don't know what is going to happen when someone tries to rob you, and I think most people would rather not take the chance of finding out if they have a way to defend themselves.
Look, each scenario is different, so don't think it's worthwhile to discuss all possibilities. Sure sometimes shooting might be the best option.I'd rather not gamble my fate and that of my family on the charity of someone who would invade a home in the first place.
Look, each scenario is different, so don't think it's worthwhile to discuss all possibilities. Sure sometimes shooting might be the best option.
All I'm saying is:
1) Some people are too eager to use their weapons at the first provocation, and doing so, may actually makes things worse. A lot worse.
2) This clearly in contradiction with some posters here, but I personally would feel horrible if I had killed someone, if I didn't have the certainty that the person had the intention to hurt my family or me. And if you notice in the video, even though the 3 of them seem to carry guns, none of them shoot back. So, either those were fake or they never had the intention to hurt anyone to begin with.
Sure, in the heat of the moment, you don't know. You have to take the best guess, and act accordingly. I just personally have never considered "shooting first" as my top priority. And thankfully, have no deaths to lament so far.
You've also never been in the situation where three armed men just kicked your door in, so you actually have no idea what you'd do and you're talking out of your ass.
Was speaking with my bother in law when I went down to Alabama for a family reunion he stated home invasions is happening a lot in GA with robbers toting AK-47's.
Looks like only one round hit anyone.
You've also never been in the situation where three armed men just kicked your door in, so you actually have no idea what you'd do and you're talking out of your ass.
As an expert on myself, I appreciate when others don't make assumptions about my life.You've also never been in the situation where three armed men just kicked your door in, so you actually have no idea what you'd do and you're talking out of your ass.
It's a trade that she (obviously) did. She is the one that will have to live with the consequences.
That's what the video seems to show, on her last shot.
"7% of all household burglaries results in some form of a violent victimization."
One of them is literally pointing a gun at her face before she fires her first shot.This is in clear contradiction with some posters here, but I personally would feel horrible if I had killed someone, if I didn't have the certainty that the person had the intention to hurt my family or me. And if you notice in the video, even though the 3 of them seem to carry guns, none of them shoot back. So, either those were fake or they never had the intention to hurt anyone to begin with.
+1She did what she had to do to protect herself.
I have no sympathy for home invading assholes.
One of them is literally pointing a gun at her face before she fires her first shot.
There is nothing "brave" in shooting people when armed.
In an hypothetical scenario, she saved herself from being killed or worse. So good for her.
On the other hand, she traded getting robbed (of money/mundane things), for the life of another human being.
And potentially getting herself killed or worse (by escalating the situation) in the process.
And potentially killing another bystander when she blindly shoot in the street.
So yeah.
She did what she had to do to protect herself.
I have no sympathy for home invading assholes.
OK, honest question:
I totally get her reaction while inside the house...but why in the world is it legal to soot people who are running away from you in the back? At that point you already defended yourself, your home and whatever else, you won.
Example from here in germany from last year: Five armed (turned out the guns where softairs) people broke into a rich senior's house, tied him up and tried to access his safe. They activated the alarm, panicked and the senior used the chance to grab his rifle. The five guys ran away and the senior shot one of them in the back.
He was later convicted for manslaughter since it wasn't a case of self-defense because they were already running away: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama...-an-jaehrigem-einbrecher-verurteilt-1.2710693
Aren't you just taking the law into your own hands and shoot at people who wronged you because you are angry or shocked or pumped up instead of simply trying to defend yourself at that point?
Are some of you really trying to turn it onto the woman? She not only could of been robbed, but raped and killed. She did nothing wrong in defending herself. "She should be punished." Please.
2) This is in clear contradiction with some posters here, but I personally would feel horrible if I had killed someone, if I didn't have the certainty that the person had the intention to hurt my family or me. And if you notice in the video, even though the 3 of them seem to carry guns, none of them shoot back. So, either those were fake or they never had the intention to hurt anyone to begin with.
OK, honest question:
I totally get her reaction while inside the house...but why is it legal to shoot people who are running away from you in the back? At that point you already defended yourself, your home and whatever else, you won.
I'll agree with this. They were already running. Her standing in the door unloading the rest of the bullets after they took off after 2 shots were complete overkill. I get that adrenalin is running high, but at that point she was just out for blood.
Banning guns for self defense would mean someone like this would be completely helpless in this scenario. She probably barely weighs 100 lbs.
OK, honest question:
I totally get her reaction while inside the house...but why is it legal to shoot people who are running away from you in the back? At that point you already defended yourself, your home and whatever else, you won.
Example from here in germany from last year: Five armed (turned out the guns where softairs) people broke into a rich senior's house, tied him up and tried to access his safe. They activated the alarm, panicked and the senior used the chance to grab his rifle. The five guys ran away and the senior shot one of them in the back.
He was later convicted for manslaughter since it wasn't a case of self-defense because they were already running away: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama...-an-jaehrigem-einbrecher-verurteilt-1.2710693
Aren't you just taking the law into your own hands and shoot at people who wronged you because you are angry or shocked or pumped up instead of simply trying to defend yourself at that point?
OK, honest question:
I totally get her reaction while inside the house...but why is it legal to shoot people who are running away from you in the back? At that point you already defended yourself, your home and whatever else, you won.
Example from here in germany from last year: Five armed (turned out the guns where softairs) people broke into a rich senior's house, tied him up and tried to access his safe. They activated the alarm, panicked and the senior used the chance to grab his rifle. The five guys ran away and the senior shot one of them in the back.
He was later convicted for manslaughter since it wasn't a case of self-defense because they were already running away: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama...-an-jaehrigem-einbrecher-verurteilt-1.2710693
Aren't you just taking the law into your own hands and shoot at people who wronged you because you are angry or shocked or pumped up instead of simply trying to defend yourself at that point?
You have a split second to decide to submit to something like that or fight for your life.
She chose to fight. She chose to survive. And I do not blame her in the slightest.
Not gonna shit on her for a hypothetical neighbor getting shot when that didn't happen.
Don't feel any sympathy for the lunatic that got killed. Hope the other two get locked up for life.
OK, honest question:
I totally get her reaction while inside the house...but why is it legal to shoot people who are running away from you in the back? At that point you already defended yourself, your home and whatever else, you won.
Example from here in germany from last year: Five armed (turned out the guns where softairs) people broke into a rich senior's house, tied him up and tried to access his safe. They activated the alarm, panicked and the senior used the chance to grab his rifle. The five guys ran away and the senior shot one of them in the back.
He was later convicted for manslaughter since it wasn't a case of self-defense because they were already running away: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama...-an-jaehrigem-einbrecher-verurteilt-1.2710693
Aren't you just taking the law into your own hands and shoot at people who wronged you because you are angry or shocked or pumped up instead of simply trying to defend yourself at that point?
OK, honest question:
I totally get her reaction while inside the house...but why is it legal to shoot people who are running away from you in the back? At that point you already defended yourself, your home and whatever else, you won.
Example from here in germany from last year: Five armed (turned out the guns where softairs) people broke into a rich senior's house, tied him up and tried to access his safe. They activated the alarm, panicked and the senior used the chance to grab his rifle. The five guys ran away and the senior shot one of them in the back.
He was later convicted for manslaughter since it wasn't a case of self-defense because they were already running away: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama...-an-jaehrigem-einbrecher-verurteilt-1.2710693
Aren't you just taking the law into your own hands and shoot at people who wronged you because you are angry or shocked or pumped up instead of simply trying to defend yourself at that point?
This is USA. Not only can you shot someone while they running away. You can chase after them and kill them.OK, honest question:
I totally get her reaction while inside the house...but why is it legal to shoot people who are running away from you in the back? At that point you already defended yourself, your home and whatever else, you won.
Example from here in germany from last year: Five armed (turned out the guns where softairs) people broke into a rich senior's house, tied him up and tried to access his safe. They activated the alarm, panicked and the senior used the chance to grab his rifle. The five guys ran away and the senior shot one of them in the back.
He was later convicted for manslaughter since it wasn't a case of self-defense because they were already running away: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama...-an-jaehrigem-einbrecher-verurteilt-1.2710693
Aren't you just taking the law into your own hands and shoot at people who wronged you because you are angry or shocked or pumped up instead of simply trying to defend yourself at that point?
What happened: When Greyston Garcia discovered Pedro Roteta was stealing his car radio, he grabbed a knife, ran downstairs and chased Roteta down the street. After confronting Roteta, who reportedly had a closed pocketknife in his back pocket, Garcia fatally stabbed him. He said the man swung a heavy bag of car radios at his head. The incident was caught on camera. Garcia went home and fell asleep without calling 911, court records show. Garcia initially denied any involvement in the situation, but changed his story after police showed him videotape from a nearby store security camera. The officer who supervised the case asked,"How can it be stand your ground"?
The outcome: On March 20, a Miami-Dade judge cited the "stand your ground" law in dismissing the case against Garcia.
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OK, honest question:
I totally get her reaction while inside the house...but why is it legal to shoot people who are running away from you in the back? At that point you already defended yourself, your home and whatever else, you won.
Example from here in germany from last year: Five armed (turned out the guns where softairs) people broke into a rich senior's house, tied him up and tried to access his safe. They activated the alarm, panicked and the senior used the chance to grab his rifle. The five guys ran away and the senior shot one of them in the back.
He was later convicted for manslaughter since it wasn't a case of self-defense because they were already running away: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama...-an-jaehrigem-einbrecher-verurteilt-1.2710693
Aren't you just taking the law into your own hands and shoot at people who wronged you because you are angry or shocked or pumped up instead of simply trying to defend yourself at that point?
I could be wrong, but it actually looks like she was already on the phone as this went down.No way she catches charges though. They had guns, multiple intruders so there would be an expectation of confusion, she didn't give chase once they left the house, and immediately called the police.
This is USA. Not only can you shot someone while they running away. You can chase after them and kill them.
http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_133
This is USA. Not only can you shot someone while they running away. You can chase after them and kill them.
The issue with the argument of citing instances like this is that a lot of the people who cite it ignore, either willfully or innocently, all of the instances where gun ownership ends poorly for an innocent person (be it the gun owner, their family or friends, or innocent strangers).
She did what she had to do to protect herself.
I have no sympathy for home invading assholes.
Now I'm wondering how the women reacted so quickly. Basically as soon as they bombarded in she was shooting at them.