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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
- Thread starter Burbeting
- Start date
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Hey Sketch did your pm regarding being caught mention regaining your power if TheG is killed?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
1. roytheone [m] Tries to be better but as days go by so goes my patience
2. Sophia [f] --> StarSketch [f] too many open questions / Lynch
3. Dusk Soldier [m] cool but i dont know who he might be
4. Blargonaut [m] annoying and not very helpful
7. SalvaPot [m] inactive and scum
8. Fireblend [m] 0
10. Darryl [m] --> TheGoddamn [m] i dont know
12. melonrabbit [f] first annoying then helpful now just there but not really there
13. Unmasked Ferret [m] who ?
14. Gorlak [m] annoying and loud. Probably just blind town
15. Sawneeks [f] helpful and really trying to push things forward but thats how she always plays so she could be in either team :3
17. Lone_Prodigy [m] nice avatar. Gets called out a lot but in the end stays where he is
18. Ynnek7 [m] just coasting along and not even trying to get into fights. ( First time scum player )
19. StanleyPalmtree [m] Dumb town player who might cost us the game later on.
20. Kawl_USC [m] --> *Splinter [m] Cool dude towned it down after PiR but yeah that claim still remains in the back of my head dude.
22. Verelios [m] That critter avatar is creeping me out. Did not really Bop my head into him thats creeping me out.
23. Christina Mackenzie [m] Are you still here ?
suddenly nin is legit on fire. i like this.
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Nin, TheG, Stan, CM, and Salva. When you find time to post I want your thoughts on what has happened this Day phase so far. Do you think Topo/Star's Trainer is Town? Who is your Top Scum? As well as your thoughts on the previous Day Phases final vote.
well iv spent this day going around in goddamn circles after my every read has proven to be almost completely incorrect. and iv had a lot of trouble trying to start again since all anyone seems to be discussing today is game mechanic speculation. something that i really dont like putting my stock in.
right now im tempted to go along with the TheG lynch if only to help demystify this game and give myself and others a better idea only where to go from here.
Heya, all. Still trying to get over what ever cold this is (almost there, I really hope...), but I've been reading along the past day. You have my sympathies, Fireblend, probably have something along the same line.
First of all, sad to see Sophia go and I hope you're able to feel better soon. Welcome, StarSketch, though!
One quick thing:
Was this ever resolved/figured out? The vote tool shows a crossed out vote still on Sophia, but it looks like it never picked up the StarSketch one. Just a glitch?
First of all, sad to see Sophia go and I hope you're able to feel better soon. Welcome, StarSketch, though!
One quick thing:
unvote
VOTE: StarSketch
gorlak (0)
sawneeks 1621(1651)
lone_prodigy (0)
sophia 1626(1639)
thegoddamn (4)
sawneeks 1651
*splinter 1660
sophia 1720(1720)
sophia 1720(1720)
salvapot 1880
starsketch 1882
starsketch (1)
dusk soldier 1771
stanleypalmtree (0)
stanleypalmtree 1773(1782)
stanleypalmtree 1773(1782)
roytheone (0)
gorlak 1793(1801)
*splinter (1)
gorlak 1801
ynnek7 (1)
nin1000 1822
Wait. Did my vote for SS not ever go through?
Was this ever resolved/figured out? The vote tool shows a crossed out vote still on Sophia, but it looks like it never picked up the StarSketch one. Just a glitch?
Dusk Soldier
Member
Heya, all. Still trying to get over what ever cold this is (almost there, I really hope...), but I've been reading along the past day. You have my sympathies, Fireblend, probably have something along the same line.
First of all, sad to see Sophia go and I hope you're able to feel better soon. Welcome, StarSketch, though!
One quick thing:
Was this ever resolved/figured out? The vote tool shows a crossed out vote still on Sophia, but it looks like it never picked up the StarSketch one. Just a glitch?
I imagine it's because both votes are in the same highlight tag rather than separate ones.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
I'm still here, was out most of this day phase and mobile is a pain.
You got questions, I may have answers. Going to do a re-read of the thread.
You got questions, I may have answers. Going to do a re-read of the thread.
Also,
VOTE: TheGoddamn
If only to prove to Blargonaut that he's barking up the wrong tree with his breadcrumb theory.
(Although, if you want to make it still work, TheGoddamn's avatar is of Pedro Pascal who plays Oberyn Martell in Game Of Thrones. In GoT, he's
, which would be how you can connect that to mountaintop!)
VOTE: TheGoddamn
If only to prove to Blargonaut that he's barking up the wrong tree with his breadcrumb theory.
(Although, if you want to make it still work, TheGoddamn's avatar is of Pedro Pascal who plays Oberyn Martell in Game Of Thrones. In GoT, he's
Killed by The Mountain
I imagine it's because both votes are in the same highlight tag rather than separate ones.
Ah, that makes sense. Was just kind of weirded out by how it was brought up and then never mentioned again.
well iv spent this day going around in goddamn circles after my every read has proven to be almost completely incorrect. and iv had a lot of trouble trying to start again since all anyone seems to be discussing today is game mechanic speculation. something that i really dont like putting my stock in.
right now im tempted to go along with the TheG lynch if only to help demystify this game and give myself and others a better idea only where to go from here.
hahaha
haha
ha
i see what you did there
10/10
Also,
VOTE: TheGoddamn
If only to prove to Blargonaut that he's barking up the wrong tree with his breadcrumb theory.
(Although, if you want to make it still work, TheGoddamn's avatar is of Pedro Pascal who plays Oberyn Martell in Game Of Thrones. In GoT, he's, which would be how you can connect that to mountaintop!)Killed by The Mountain
So are you voting because you believe TheG is Scum or are you voting because you want to get Blarg off your back?
So are you voting because you believe TheG is Scum or are you voting because you want to get Blarg off your back?
Both, really. This role blocking ability of his definitely doesn't seem town aligned, as others have stated. And unless I missed something, the only person putting forward a guess about who the trainer was before Star revealed it was Blarg. I don't really feel like getting lynched due to some imagined breadcrumbs.
If only to prove to Blargonaut that he's barking up the wrong tree with his breadcrumb theory.
My vote will def. stay on you yennek
My vote will def. stay on you yennek
Kind of curious, were you actually expecting someone to come to my defense over that vote?
Kind of curious, were you actually expecting someone to come to my defense over that vote?
Did you think it would be that easy ?
TheGoddamn
Member
Yeah, I'm Topo/Sophia/Star's trainer.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=217456811&postcount=1155
This was me explaining my role in detail. I capture Pokemon-- and only Pokemon-- and include them in a 24/7 chat of which I am a part. But at the same time I also disable their powers if they have any until I die. I cannot catch Pokemon who have already been caught.
Sophia I tried to capture during N2 because my suspicion of her has been quite public. I sent the capture command via GAF PM, so I was expecting a PM confirmation. I was on my phone when I made my first post of D3, with no access to my trainer chat or Discord. So when I didn't get a PM confirmation of my night action, I assumed that it failed for one of two reasons:
1) She wasn't a Pokemon as she claimed (I can only catch Pokemon)
2) Another Trainer had caught her.
Missing intricacies of Ty's flip, I at this point still thought that Trainer mechanics were the same for all trainers, so I thought that option 2) meant that Sophia's power would still be nullified.
So I voted for her to get her attention, asking that she demonstrate her double-- because I thought my night action had failed. Later on, I saw my mistake-- Burb had confirmed my night action succeeding in Discord-- and regrouped with Sophia in chat. We decided to distance ourselves from each other, and I tried to handwave my reasoning in this thread. Obviously that didn't work.
My role is clearly a double-edged sword. But every night action is a judgment call. Darryl chose Topo presumably because Topo appeared vanilla to Darryl. I chose Sophia because I was suspicious of her, and a double hurts town more often than not. I don't think my character's catches have been mistakes thus far.
I can't even reveal my role name without it casting doubts towards my town-hood. My only defense is that I've been vetted by the three players I've caught (one of whom is unequivocally town). But consider this. This seems to be the path towards which we're headed as night approaches:
I get lynched and Star gets NKed (plus a possible vig kill).
Apart from our flips, this ultimately helps town not at all.
An alternative is that we lynch someone else today (but not Star) and I can catch someone tonight, before I get killed (assuming that I can catch someone before I do). That way Star can see who gets caught if ever, and we know who else is a Pokemon. Plus Star and whoever I catch can consolidate in the chat.
My flip still informs town, but this way it gives more information. Apart from possibly Barry (who could still very well be town), everyone who has died so far-- and as it looks today-- has been aligned with town.
Ask away.
Oh, and Topo identified me as his trainer with all the Darryl/me substitution confusion as well as (in his own words) by saying "God, why do these things have to be so difficult?" in this post (he explained in chat that he wanted to say "Goddamn, why do these things have to be so difficult?").
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=217456811&postcount=1155
This was me explaining my role in detail. I capture Pokemon-- and only Pokemon-- and include them in a 24/7 chat of which I am a part. But at the same time I also disable their powers if they have any until I die. I cannot catch Pokemon who have already been caught.
Sophia I tried to capture during N2 because my suspicion of her has been quite public. I sent the capture command via GAF PM, so I was expecting a PM confirmation. I was on my phone when I made my first post of D3, with no access to my trainer chat or Discord. So when I didn't get a PM confirmation of my night action, I assumed that it failed for one of two reasons:
1) She wasn't a Pokemon as she claimed (I can only catch Pokemon)
2) Another Trainer had caught her.
Missing intricacies of Ty's flip, I at this point still thought that Trainer mechanics were the same for all trainers, so I thought that option 2) meant that Sophia's power would still be nullified.
So I voted for her to get her attention, asking that she demonstrate her double-- because I thought my night action had failed. Later on, I saw my mistake-- Burb had confirmed my night action succeeding in Discord-- and regrouped with Sophia in chat. We decided to distance ourselves from each other, and I tried to handwave my reasoning in this thread. Obviously that didn't work.
My role is clearly a double-edged sword. But every night action is a judgment call. Darryl chose Topo presumably because Topo appeared vanilla to Darryl. I chose Sophia because I was suspicious of her, and a double hurts town more often than not. I don't think my character's catches have been mistakes thus far.
I can't even reveal my role name without it casting doubts towards my town-hood. My only defense is that I've been vetted by the three players I've caught (one of whom is unequivocally town). But consider this. This seems to be the path towards which we're headed as night approaches:
I get lynched and Star gets NKed (plus a possible vig kill).
Apart from our flips, this ultimately helps town not at all.
An alternative is that we lynch someone else today (but not Star) and I can catch someone tonight, before I get killed (assuming that I can catch someone before I do). That way Star can see who gets caught if ever, and we know who else is a Pokemon. Plus Star and whoever I catch can consolidate in the chat.
My flip still informs town, but this way it gives more information. Apart from possibly Barry (who could still very well be town), everyone who has died so far-- and as it looks today-- has been aligned with town.
Ask away.
Oh, and Topo identified me as his trainer with all the Darryl/me substitution confusion as well as (in his own words) by saying "God, why do these things have to be so difficult?" in this post (he explained in chat that he wanted to say "Goddamn, why do these things have to be so difficult?").
TheGoddamn
Member
Vote: Ynnek7
To prove a point towards Blarg by disproving his speculation-- what a terrible reason for voting.
To prove a point towards Blarg by disproving his speculation-- what a terrible reason for voting.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Not to rain on the current lynch parade, but if what Topo said about regaining his ability upon G's death is true then it might be more beneficial to us to keep him around. G and Sketch can confirm roles in two ways, G learning the role through capture, and if a capture fails then we can learn if the player is a trainer, already captured, or scum who may not be captured. If TheG gains to many useful power roles then we can lynch him and regain those abilities.
Goddamn:
1) You aren't "vetted" by anyone, you're townread. A gut town read isn't worth shit in this game. I also find it very convenient that the 3 people you've captured townread you while noone else does - that tells me people are caring too much about this "superior win" bs which is part of why I want this trainer shit finished. I cant scumhunt if townies are protecting their hidden partners.
2) Why would Sketch be NK'd unless you flip scum? Lol Goddamn pls
1) You aren't "vetted" by anyone, you're townread. A gut town read isn't worth shit in this game. I also find it very convenient that the 3 people you've captured townread you while noone else does - that tells me people are caring too much about this "superior win" bs which is part of why I want this trainer shit finished. I cant scumhunt if townies are protecting their hidden partners.
2) Why would Sketch be NK'd unless you flip scum? Lol Goddamn pls
And this is opportunist as fuck. Could you at least pretend to scumread him?Vote: Ynnek7
To prove a point towards Blarg by disproving his speculation-- what a terrible reason for voting.
Oh I just realised what you meant... I think.Vote: Ynnek7
To prove a point towards Blarg by disproving his speculation-- what a terrible reason for voting.
Still opportunist. It's also the same shit Gorlak did: valuing the last post you read over 3 days of discussion.
TheGoddamn
Member
Why wouldn't she be, assuming that she's town? Topo was killed. Topo literally said that parts of his "getting caught" PM made no sense if I was scum.
The superior win doesn't matter to me, especially because it only happens if town wins. Which is the goal.
The superior win doesn't matter to me, especially because it only happens if town wins. Which is the goal.
TheGoddamn
Member
Why on earth would I take stock in a gut town read? The first day of Topo and I in chat was just circling to see if we could trust each other.
TheGoddamn
Member
To be perfectly clear: this is what Topo was talking about when he said he had a lot of things to think about during that (IRL) day. After which he then told me in chat that his "getting caught" PM made no sense if I was scum. (I don't know the contents of that PM, just what Topo said.)
Not least of which is our superior win only being made possible if a town win occurs in the first place.
Not least of which is our superior win only being made possible if a town win occurs in the first place.
Eh? You just said that they vetted you. They only "vetted" you based on a gut read - which is what I'm saying is worthless.Why on earth would I take stock in a gut town read? The first day of Topo and I in chat was just circling to see if we could trust each other.
Burb shouldn't this extra PM be included in Topo's flip? I feel like his new win condition at least should be confirmed.Why wouldn't she be, assuming that she's town? Topo was killed. Topo literally said that parts of his "getting caught" PM made no sense if I was scum.
The superior win doesn't matter to me, especially because it only happens if town wins. Which is the goal.
TheGoddamn
Member
I guess we have different definitions of gut read? Topo cited his "getting caught" PM as well as the superior win, which I assume also told him that it couldn't happen unless town won.
That's a vet based on logic, whereas gut reads are just feelings based on in-game behavior.
That's a vet based on logic, whereas gut reads are just feelings based on in-game behavior.
Blargonaut
Banned
well, then
I'll agree to that plan, Goddamn
VOTE: Ynnek7
I'd trust you to be logical regarding Tonight
I'll agree to that plan, Goddamn
VOTE: Ynnek7
I'd trust you to be logical regarding Tonight
I didn't know that when I said gut read -.-I guess we have different definitions of gut read? Topo cited his "getting caught" PM as well as the superior win, which I assume also told him that it couldn't happen unless town won.
That's a vet based on logic, whereas gut reads are just feelings based on in-game behavior.
If a town trainer catches a scum Pokemon, their win condition must (surely) be a scum win + be on the biggest team. Therefore a town Pokemon being caught by a scum trainer would need town win + biggest team, which is the same as town Pokemon caught by scum trainer. Therefore a town Pokemon (Topo) can't tell whether their trainer is town or scum.
So I disagree with Topo's logic.
Blargonaut
Banned
*Splinter, play along
I forget to quote this but lollllI can't even reveal my role name without it casting doubts towards my town-hood.
As if you werent enough of a flavour trap already (supposedly).
Go on, tell us the role.
You also never explained why Sketch would be killed. I see nothing to confirm her unless you flip scum.
TheGoddamn
Member
I didn't know that when I said gut read -.-
If a town trainer catches a scum Pokemon, their win condition must (surely) be a scum win + be on the biggest team. Therefore a town Pokemon being caught by a scum trainer would need town win + biggest team, which is the same as town Pokemon caught by scum trainer. Therefore a town Pokemon (Topo) can't tell whether their trainer is town or scum.
So I disagree with Topo's logic.
Ah, but I share that superior win-- which is dependent on a town win-- with the Pokemon that I catch. As in, if one of us (superior) wins, then we all win. This only happens if town wins and we are the biggest party-- this applies to all of my Pokemon.
Does it not follow that we must all be town? That's why I'm beginning to lean towards all uncaught Pokemon being town, in their initial state. But that's still something I'm figuring out.
I forget to quote this but lollll
As if you werent enough of a flavour trap already (supposedly).
Go on, tell us the role.
You also never explained why Sketch would be killed. I see nothing to confirm her unless you flip scum.
Haha, I'd rather not just for you and your tone, because there's clearly no convincing you anyway.
As I said, Star might be killed tonight because Topo was killed last night.
Why are you so opposed to my plan? Assuming you're town, the results of my flip will only be actionable by you on D4. But keeping me alive until tonight could let me catch someone else, and me getting killed tonight by scum will result in my flip anyway.
tldr: If you're town it shouldn't matter to you if I flip today or in the morning.
TheGoddamn
Member
What stops star from being NK'ed if you stay alive?
Because if only one person get killed tonight, it'll probably be me.
So if a town trainer catches a scum pokemon they would just out their teammates and win?Ah, but I share that superior win-- which is dependent on a town win-- with the Pokemon that I catch. As in, if one of us (superior) wins, then we all win. This only happens if town wins and we are the biggest party-- this applies to all of my Pokemon.
Does it not follow that we must all be town? That's why I'm beginning to lean towards all uncaught Pokemon being town, in their initial state. But that's still something I'm figuring out.
Haha, I'd rather not just for you and your tone, because there's clearly no convincing you anyway.
As I said, Star might be killed tonight because Topo was killed last night.
Why are you so opposed to my plan? Assuming you're town, the results of my flip will only be actionable by you on D4. But keeping me alive until tonight could let me catch someone else, and me getting killed tonight by scum will result in my flip anyway.
tldr: If you're town it shouldn't matter to you if I flip today or in the morning.
Conversely, a scum trainer works as an unlimited recruiter?
The only way this makes sense is if all Pokémon and trainers are town, which would be hilariously broken.
Your plan is "pls don't lynch me"
TheGoddamn
Member
No, if a town trainer catches a scum trainer then the scum Pokemon just spies on the chat.
I'm not the one who made the game.
You're good at putting words in my mouth. I'm cool with being lynched. Today, even.
I'm not the one who made the game.
You're good at putting words in my mouth. I'm cool with being lynched. Today, even.
TheGoddamn
Member
Oops, I meant
"No, if a town trainer catches a scum Pokemonthen the scum Pokemon just spies on the chat."
"No, if a town trainer catches a scum Pokemonthen the scum Pokemon just spies on the chat."
But you said they inherit the win condition about biggest team + town win. That's literally the reason Topo townread you, and why you are saying you can't be scum.No, if a town trainer catches a scum trainer then the scum Pokemon just spies on the chat.
I'm not the one who made the game.
You're good at putting words in my mouth. I'm cool with being lynched. Today, even.
TheGoddamn
Member
But you said they inherit the win condition about biggest team + town win. That's literally the reason Topo townread you, and why you are saying you can't be scum.
Okay, then why would a scum Pokemon prefer the superior win condition over the standard scum win? That means (for scum) a scum loss + a superior win. But the superior win condition is (sorry Burb) completely superfluous.
Their core alignment does not change when I catch them. That's the case when I catch them, mind. We've clearly seen that there are differences between trainers.
Right, so they have to choose between standard win (scum win) or "superior" win (town win + biggest team). That makes no sense whatsoever, which is why I think their "superior" win would simply be scum win + biggest team.Okay, then why would a scum Pokemon prefer the superior win condition over the standard scum win? That means (for scum) a scum loss + a superior win. But the superior win condition is (sorry Burb) completely superfluous.
Their core alignment does not change when I catch them. That's the case when I catch them, mind. We've clearly seen that there are differences between trainers.
Which is why Topo's win being town win + biggest team doesn't tell us your alignment.
TheGoddamn
Member
Right, so they have to choose between standard win (scum win) or "superior" win (town win + biggest team). That makes no sense whatsoever, which is why I think their "superior" win would simply be scum win + biggest team.
Which is why Topo's win being town win + biggest team doesn't tell us your alignment.
Right, that doesn't make sense. There is no choice. If I catch a scum Pokemon, then they just report to their team. The scum team is much more stable, and has defined numbers.
All of us in the party who are town are motivated to ensure a town victory. If I am a scum trainer who catches a scum Pokemon, how does that make sense at all? If I am a scum trainer who catches a town Pokemon, why does that town Pokemon's superior win condition be dependent on a town win, which is in direct opposition to my scum standard win?
Christina Mackenzie
Member
I also want to hear from Ynnek, CM, Nin, Roy, and LP in regards to your votes on the previous Day phase. They are all ones that stood out to me and I can recall them fairly clearly. My question to you all is why did you vote there instead of Royal and will you be returning to that vote today?
There was enough votes on Royal Flush, if I wanted to be extra safe from being lynched I could have voted for him but I didn't. I wouldn't be around for the deadline so I can't move it. I didn't mentioned being absent for the deadline but will do so later so it's clear.
Right now I don't think I'll be going back to nin1000.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
So if TheGoddamn is a scum trainer who collects Pokemon, why did El Topo die last night? They chose to kill a Pokemon they just caught?
Might have been the vig's action (for whatever reason) and not scum. In that case it pans out.So if TheGoddamn is a scum trainer who collects Pokemon, why did El Topo die last night? They chose to kill a Pokemon they just caught?
Please lynch Blarg tomorrow
I would not hesitate
From what I understand your superior win condition has no relation to town surviving but to your team surviving. This is a very big difference from town dependent to neutral. So long as your team is kept alive it wouldn't matter if town ultimately loses (but we'd have to find our first scum Pokemon to prove this theory works)Right, that doesn't make sense. There is no choice. If I catch a scum Pokemon, then they just report to their team. The scum team is much more stable, and has defined numbers.
All of us in the party who are town are motivated to ensure a town victory. If I am a scum trainer who catches a scum Pokemon, how does that make sense at all? If I am a scum trainer who catches a town Pokemon, why does that town Pokemon's superior win condition be dependent on a town win, which is in direct opposition to my scum standard win?
Christina Mackenzie
Member
Might have been the vig's action (for whatever reason) and not scum. In that case it pans out.
Why invigilate and not scum? El Topo came forward with new info on being captured, does that makes him suspicious enough for another townie to NK him?
I'm sorry but it's obviously a mafia PR.
Might have been the vig's action (for whatever reason) and not scum. In that case it pans out.
That, sure is something to take into consideration. But for now I am a believer.
TheGoddamn
Member
From what I understand your superior win condition has no relation to town surviving but to your team surviving. This is a very big difference from town dependent to neutral. So long as your team is kept alive it wouldn't matter if town ultimately loses (but we'd have to find our first scum Pokemon to prove this theory works)
Our superior win condition is if our party is the biggest one, pending a town victory. It is only possible, and valid, if town wins in the first place. If any other alignment won but we were the biggest party, we would not have a superior win.
Blargonaut
Banned
...might I suggest a caveat to this plan, hypothetically?
I'd like the player who was responsible for last Night's second kill, to reveal themselves Today. inb4 policy outrage, hear me out. Two deaths last Night indicates your presence, yeah, but your presence indicates the quite high likelihood of a Doctor in our midst as well.
Therefore, after seeing what TheGoddamn's claim has to offer; here's what I propose as an expansion to TheGoddamn's plan, if you twerps are willing to "collaborate" to make it happen:
Hence, by capturing the 2nd killer Tonight whilst said 2nd killer targets him simultaneously, TheGoddamn should effectively #TeamRoleblock the 2nd killer and thereby save himself from dying in theory, if what TheGoddamn, Topo and SophEtch claim about his Trainer Role is indeed true.
But, if he (and/or they) is lying about his claimed Role in any way, then he'll die by that player's hand, or paw, or fin, or whatever's opposable.
So, by this plan:
If TheGoddamn is telling the truth, he lives, thus:
Sound good, Team?
MAD, I know
I'd like the player who was responsible for last Night's second kill, to reveal themselves Today. inb4 policy outrage, hear me out. Two deaths last Night indicates your presence, yeah, but your presence indicates the quite high likelihood of a Doctor in our midst as well.
Therefore, after seeing what TheGoddamn's claim has to offer; here's what I propose as an expansion to TheGoddamn's plan, if you twerps are willing to "collaborate" to make it happen:
Step 1.
The player who is the 2nd killing Role publicly and willingly announces themselves Today so that TheGoddamn can target you, but only do so if your power is unlimited or else still has shots remaining if x-shot. With the amount of players in this game, I'm guessing you're probably 2-shot, if it's that? Anyway--
Step 2.
Tonight, the Doctor (DO NOT REVEAL YOURSELF) should protect the now-revealed 2nd killer, in order to prevent scum from interfering with the next few steps.
Step 3.
The now-revealed 2nd killer targets TheGoddamn Tonight.
Step 4.
And, TheGoddamn captures/Roleblocks the 2nd killer Tonight.
The player who is the 2nd killing Role publicly and willingly announces themselves Today so that TheGoddamn can target you, but only do so if your power is unlimited or else still has shots remaining if x-shot. With the amount of players in this game, I'm guessing you're probably 2-shot, if it's that? Anyway--
Step 2.
Tonight, the Doctor (DO NOT REVEAL YOURSELF) should protect the now-revealed 2nd killer, in order to prevent scum from interfering with the next few steps.
NOTE: Obviously, scum won't target TheGoddamn if he's really scum and/or truthful about his Role (which is decidedly pro-scum if it's as he claims, so it'd be in their best interests to keep him alive to continue suppressing PRs for them). But, if they DO take this opportunity to target TheGoddamn... well, with him being a PR-claimant and with the knowledge that he's not a part of them, they would've done it anyway.
Step 3.
The now-revealed 2nd killer targets TheGoddamn Tonight.
Step 4.
And, TheGoddamn captures/Roleblocks the 2nd killer Tonight.
Hence, by capturing the 2nd killer Tonight whilst said 2nd killer targets him simultaneously, TheGoddamn should effectively #TeamRoleblock the 2nd killer and thereby save himself from dying in theory, if what TheGoddamn, Topo and SophEtch claim about his Trainer Role is indeed true.
But, if he (and/or they) is lying about his claimed Role in any way, then he'll die by that player's hand, or paw, or fin, or whatever's opposable.
So, by this plan:
If TheGoddamn is telling the truth, he lives, thus:
- his Roleblocking of Pokemon captured would be confirmed with his survival
- he'll have neatly yet temporarily erased the danger of the 2nd killer without harming them, and provide an opportunity for any Investigator amongst us to find out the 2nd killer's alignment while we suss out TheGoddamnTrainer's alignment via this plan
- we'd have a gauge of what his alignment is as a Trainer, if scum do not grab the opportunity to kill him Tonight while he is left exposed with this plan; meaning, if he survives, he's likely a scum-aligned Trainer, so then we lynch him ASAP Tomorrow so we can free the 2nd killer from TheGoddamn's nullification effect, and thereafter, the Doctor continues to protect the 2nd killer every Night or until the Investigator confirms whether or not the 2nd killer's a Neutral or a Vigilante
- we are free to lynch someone else Today, and let this situation sort itself out during the Night via the 2nd killer
- we get rid of a potentially scum-aligned Mass Roleblocker via the 2nd killer
- we get a lead on SophStar, the last Pokemon in his team and a real point of contention the last few Days regarding her apparently 1-shot Doublevote (which might be x-shot due to a balance nerf because she's really scum-aligned)
- the 2nd killer uses their ability for a good cause in the form of Investigation-by-fire, rather than a blind, uninformed shot based on the mere hope of getting lucky
- and *Splinter, in getting rid of this Trainer mechanic headache ASAP with benefits, is satisfied quite nicely as an aside, probably
Sound good, Team?
MAD, I know