dreamcastfan
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Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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The_Spaniard
Netmarble
I just did a bunch of research myself cause I'm about to buy a C6 and it seems like most of those places have various little scams that they pull. Like calling you up after you complete your order to upsell you, telling you that the TV you just ordered is out of stock, or that even though they list it as free shipping you have to pay several hundred dollars in "shipping insurance" or else it will take a handful of extra weeks to arrive. Sometimes they send used sets, damaged sets, other region models without warranties, no sets, etc.
I wish they were legit, hell someone tell me a trustworthy place that I can get a great deal on an OLED65C6P, cause I want one bad and the wait for BF is killing me. What I'm doing is waiting till BF, and if no great deals happen I'll go with one of the equally shady seeming Amazon sellers for the set that have a perfect seller rating and established seller history, and hope that the Amazon A-Z guarantee covers me in case of any shenanigans.
I'll respond to the other points when I've got more time. But also how on earth is the firmware part speculation? It's the exact same file for the C6 and E6!!
holygeesus
Banned
Yeah it's not a 'theory' at all - the E6 and C6 share the same SoC as seen in this parts list here: https://www.encompassparts.com/item/10733874/LG/EAN63846302/Display_Soc,digital_Tv
The B6 uses a different one which it shares with the LG H7700 LCD
https://www.encompassparts.com/item/10732671/LG/EAN64092101/Display_Soc,digital_Tv
GinoFelino
Member
Ha, that's cool. Hadn't seen that confirmed before. Many experts on AV websites were stumped about the difference in input lag etc. and everything about the SoC was just speculation.
You can use the E6 file for the C6? That's great! Still, many of your other points are down to panel lottery instead of inherent differences in the set.
This is known for awhile now. And, as explained before, there are still no reliable numbers on the input lag. Right now the only chance is to talk to people who tried the different sets, and thus far everyone agrees, that its lower on the C6/E6.
This is also a myth, debunked awhile ago. At first people assumed LG would handpick the panels for the G6, and the ones not making the cut would be used for the E6. The reason was, that the early problems found with some models didn´t come up as often on the G6, so people speculated. By now enough sets are in the wild to show, that the defective rate is about the same over the model spectrum, but higher than on LCD sets, as its still a rather new technology.
GinoFelino
Member
What? That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
I was saying that differences in near-black quality and brightness between C6 and B6 are down to getting a better panel by luck, and not a structural difference between the C6 and B6. There's been other reported instances of the B6 having the brightest panel, and of the C6 having more near-black issues.
Also, I'm not disputing that input lag is generally lower on C6/E6 so I'm not sure what you're reacting to there.
I'm sorry, then I misunderstood you. The panels should be the exact same between the models, the only differences are under the hood. That there are still variances in brightness and blacklevels is down to the manufacturing of the OLEDs, they´ll never be uniformly the same, and its not down to what model you buy.
Not to you personally, I'm just repeating that there are sadly still no tests on the real numbers.
GinoFelino
Member
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I just took delivery of a 65C6 from Cleveland AV. I also had previously purchased my plasma TV from them in 2009. Chris there is great, good price, easy shipping and no BS. I highly recommend them if you are looking to cut out a retail price and not pay tax (unless you're an Ohio resident). chris@clevelandplasma.com or call him at 866-651-0049.
DJ Lushious
Member
Cleveland Plasma is an outstanding vendor. They have a heavy presence on AVS Forum and their reputation precedes them.
How are they able to sell these TVs at a lower cost than traditional retailers like Best Buy and Amazon?
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
yup, very very good. Just be sure it's the TV you want, and you're ok with dealing with the manufacturer if you have any issues.
For LG OLEDs though, definitely a great place to go since LG's Signature Customer Service has been so good
They order direct from the distribution center.
They don't mind prices being quoted online, so 65" C6 was $3000 shipped as of a few weeks ago.
May be slightly cheaper now.
One good way to guess the current price is check how much he has it on his eBay store for. It should be below since it's a little higher there due to fees.
The_Spaniard
Netmarble
What did it cost you?
Little overhead, as someone else said CP basically drop ships from the distribution center. Also as such they don't accept returns for the most part, unless your TV arrives physically damaged. You have to go through LG for any other issues.
If BB and Amazon sold the sets near cost they'd be losing a lot of money when people return.
dreamcastfan
Member
I'd say you should do more reading up on Vizio. They are trying very hard to shed their "Wal-Mart brand" status. And they're making great gains, too! Trust me, you're not the only one shocked.
Quite correct. I got the P75 C-1 About a week ago, and it looks better than anything I have ever owned. (Sony 4K led/lcd, Samsung 1080p 3-D TV, Mitsubishi DLP,Sharp LED/LCD, Toshiba LCD, and a few others.) Hopefully the build quality is good enough for it to last a LONG time.
farmerboy
Member
Seeing as this threads become a defacto oled thread ;-)
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd65zd9-201610164372.htm
Sorry if it's been posted but I don't think it has.
I think the review does a really good job of talking about the strengths and weaknesses.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd65zd9-201610164372.htm
Sorry if it's been posted but I don't think it has.
I think the review does a really good job of talking about the strengths and weaknesses.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
The 85 incher is a 440 zone FALD with both Dolby Vision and HDR 10. And that price is crazy cheap at $4999!
Caayn
Member
I wish that they uploaded the comparison images in a larger size. The current size they upload them in makes them practically useless.
farmerboy
Member
Yeah, but I think they're useless at this point unless you want to compare something very specific. You can find stuff that will trip up an oled (near dark) and same with led (star fields).
In the end we've got 2 great tv's.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
I was wandering down a hallway and a boxed one of these is sitting at work. Trying to figure out where we gonna set it up, as I want to play with it.
Man, those prices are amazing. Specs are impressive but what about the quality of the TV? Any review sites? Vs KS8000?
As an OLED TV owner, the ZD9 actually sounds very impressive for an LCD TV.
Price is crazytown though.
farmerboy
Member
Hope you do as I would like to hear your impressions.
I've only had the chance to check out the oleds in store (at sub optimal settings no doubt) but there is something really striking about them. Colours seem really inky and lush.
Don't think the zd9 will look the same but I think it'll look amazing just in a "different" way, if that makes sense.
Let us know!
osiris3355
Banned
LeEcos new Android TVs basically have a Kirin 950 running them from a performance perspective. (Dual Cortex A72 X Dual A53) cores
Holy shit they just knocked down the Nvidia Shield and absolutely slaughtered Sony's Android TVs in CPU performance.
No one needs a streaming box for these TVs. Fucking nutz.
Holy shit they just knocked down the Nvidia Shield and absolutely slaughtered Sony's Android TVs in CPU performance.
No one needs a streaming box for these TVs. Fucking nutz.
holygeesus
Banned
Input lag sounds a bit sluggish though, also pretty much a given, that you will get some DSE which doesn't lend itself well to gaming.
Theonik
Member
The 75" can be had for just £5k. I can grab the 65" for £3k. It's pretty reasonable. Retailers should be able to match those deals it's pretty much in line with Panasonic 902B.
Hey man, just wanna thank u for posting this. I looked up Cleveland plasma and they had excellent reviews and are BBB accredited so I called the number u posted and got a great price. Ordered the B6 last night.
HDTVTest's input lag reading says 43ms for Game mode and 45ms for HDR games. That's totally fine for me.
Where at? I had a look at Richer Sounds' website and the 75" was £7k. :s
http://www.richersounds.com/search/ZD9
cyborgnumberblue
Member
Looks like Samsung released new firmware for the KS8000 this morning. Can anybody confirm what they've updated? I can't find anything online.
This is version 1142.
I've had issues with my TV not being routeable to the internet since the previous update, 1141, I'm hoping maybe this is a hot fix.
This is version 1142.
I've had issues with my TV not being routeable to the internet since the previous update, 1141, I'm hoping maybe this is a hot fix.
3k including shipping. You may be able to negotiate a bit with him if you see a lower price online. I could also imagine seeing that price drop a little bit come November for Black Friday sales. I just couldn't wait any longer.
The screen is divine.
For those with an LG OLED, what can u tell me about HDR gaming. I just ordered one. Any info would be appreciated. Basically I'd like to know about the setup. Does it automatically detect HDR or are there any settings that need to be changed for it to work properly? Any recommendations on what to look for or avoid? Thanks.
The_Spaniard
Netmarble
HDR while in Gaming Mode is not supported yet, but LG has said that it is coming in a firmware update.
I've been playing loads of HDR games on the B6 and it feels virtually identical to using game mode with standard content.
There are three unique options for HDR - do not select the top one of the three as it forces dynamic contrast.
So I did a weird test using PSVR...
The PSVR should be quite fast in terms of input latency so I tested it by playing standard games in "cinema" mode and holding the unit in just such a way that I could see both the TV screen AND the PSVR screen at the same time. I tested using various 2D action games with fast, responsive controls. The difference in response between the two was extremely minimal in practice.
Awesome. Do the modes pop up when u start gaming on HDR or do u have to go into a setting to change things manually?
electroflame
Member
If it's like the E6 (which it should be) the TV will switch to your preferred HDR mode automatically when it detects HDR content. It'll then switch back to whatever mode it was in previously when you go back to standard content.
However, given that the HDR mode is a separate mode, any video setting tweaks on your "standard" mode won't automatically carry over to the HDR mode. You'll have to tweak it manually to set it up to your liking the first time the HDR mode is enabled.
Same on all models, yep.
Theonik
Member
It's sony's price to staff and wholesale/retail. Haven't seen any deals for costumers for that but realistically, retail margins are about £2k is what I'm saying for this set.
Need your help guys!
I just bought a samsung ks8000 after it seems to have had great reviews but i've got an issue. The picture seems very pixelated in game mode on my consoles, even after adjusting settings and turning off most 'enhancments'.
Adjusting the options manually in standard mode (turning off enhancements) while leaving digital clean view on seems to make the picture crystal clear however this enables the lag. Is there any way around this?
I just bought a samsung ks8000 after it seems to have had great reviews but i've got an issue. The picture seems very pixelated in game mode on my consoles, even after adjusting settings and turning off most 'enhancments'.
Adjusting the options manually in standard mode (turning off enhancements) while leaving digital clean view on seems to make the picture crystal clear however this enables the lag. Is there any way around this?
I would love to hear your impressions on it given you have a lot of experience with the LG OLED, and could compare the two based on that experience.
I'm going to go check out the Z9D tomorrow for the first time in a store, but comparing in a store environment is never the best way to test out TVs imo.
Thanks for posting, that's a really great review, and shows that it's really not as clear cut as people make out between OLED and top LCDs. Still haven't decided, but looking forward to seeing the Z9D in person tomorrow.
FPS murderer
Member
They're the ones that bought Vizio no? So they're continuing the Vizio brand and also releasing their own? By the way the name Leco sucks, their new phones are awful too with huge black bars all around, just saw first impressions an anandtech... Not impressed...
BigWeather
Member
Cross-posting from the Battlefield 1 OT as I realized it probably belonged here instead:
What's a decent 1080p gaming TV now-a-days? Just got the BF1 1TB bundle and looking forward to jumping in! LED I guess, to be as thin as possible for wall mounting. Also in the 36" - 40" range, no larger. I guess if there are suitably good and cheap 4Ks in that size range I'd consider them. Thanks!
What's a decent 1080p gaming TV now-a-days? Just got the BF1 1TB bundle and looking forward to jumping in! LED I guess, to be as thin as possible for wall mounting. Also in the 36" - 40" range, no larger. I guess if there are suitably good and cheap 4Ks in that size range I'd consider them. Thanks!
I'm no expert, but can you make sure "sharpness" is turned down to zero? I've seen a video where the guy says that sharpness can cause this effect, he was hooking up his PC to his TV.
I could be wrong though, so make sure you remember what was the setting before you turn it to zero.
HDTV Test is without a doubt the best review site on the net for TV's. I've been using them as ref since early 2000's and they've only gotten better.
Just posted in comments asking if they can upload high res uncompressed images.
Really good to see such a positive review. Next years models from LG & Sony will kill it!
Most impressive thing I found was how it beat out the Oppo in upscaling...that is insane for a TV. Very happy that Sony & LG have really stepped it up. Samsung needs to deliver next year it's falling behind when it comes to flagships.