What if that extra 2gb is actually ON the tablet Motherboard too, but just gets disabled when undocked to save power?
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Nintendo Switch: Powered by Custom Nvidia Tegra Chip (Official)
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What if that extra 2gb is actually ON the tablet Motherboard too, but just gets disabled when undocked to save power?
I'm just saying that all logic seemingly goes out the window when discussing the specs of upcoming Nintendo hardware. Which then leads to disappointment, meltdowns and misguided expectations.
And yes. Do look at Nintendo's past trajectories, look at their current place in the market. Look at the state of the market itself. Look at the potential audiences and pricing considerations. Look at the goals they set for their new product.
Realize that hardware power seriously isn't that high up on the priority ladder for Nintendo. Meanwhile, these threads always assume it's the most important thing.
Panajev2001a
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.Except his info is quite obviously nonsense (assuming we're talking about the same info were he talks about Parker having 1/8th the performance of XBox One due to bandwidth constraints).
TBF separate wireless controllers and a dock are definitely going to add to the price. Probably not nearly as much as the gamepad did, though.
Nvidia Shield TV came with a controller with a battery, so very similar to these tiny joycon controllers for accessory price IMO, and there was a profit on Shield TV, with a much lower production output.
The Pascal Tegra that currently exists has 50 GB/s of memory bandwidth, so there you go?
GTX 750ti is 1.5TFLOPs, Tegra X1 is 512GFLOPs while the bench a couple pages back is ~750gflops or 1.5 ghz pascal configured with 2SM.
Have whatever hype level you want, disagree with me based on your opinion of Nintendo or Nvidia, but tech wise, this device absolutely looks like it has to have much more performance than Tegra X1 for it to have active cooling if it indeed has Pascal like Nate has confirmed, and Nvidia has stated. It's pretty straight forward math wise to assume that on the go this device draws at least the same power as Vita which puts it around 600gflops on the go.
There is a pretty big difference this time around. There are only 2 Possible chips for Nintendo to use versus dozens of options that can pop into consoles.
The only people who are acting crazy are the shitlords trying to troll. Discussing X1 versus Parker specs are not a massive difference. The only people who have insane expectations are the people who seem to hate the device in the first place somehow expecting a tablet sized device to be a Scorpio on the go
Ask yourself: you get to view the Switch preview trailer one week in advance without knowing the manufacturer.
Now please tell me that you're able to tell it's a brand new Nintendo product.
(I don't really think you'd be able to)
What I mean is... things *do* change. And to be honest, I don't think it's that far-fetched to believe Nintendo might have aimed a bit higher than usual on the hardware side for a product meant to sit somewhere between a portable and a home.
Again, z0m3le, what is technically possible provides an upper limit on what some hardware could actually be, it doesn't provide the answer to what it will be and never has.
I mean, you actually say 600 GF, which is already significantly less than anything one could calculate by looking at technical possibilities, so you seem to agree with that. And really, the difference between 600 GPU GF and the 512 GPU GF in the rumored dev kit is minute.
Personally, I don't think it's unlikely for the hardware to reach that, or even 750 GFlops. What I'm far more conservative about is what clock frequencies Nintendo will actually allow in portable mode.
I mean, you actually say 600 GF, which is already significantly less than anything one could calculate by looking at technical possibilities, so you seem to agree with that. And really, the difference between 600 GPU GF and the 512 GPU GF in the rumored dev kit is minute.
Personally, I don't think it's unlikely for the hardware to reach that, or even 750 GFlops. What I'm far more conservative about is what clock frequencies Nintendo will actually allow in portable mode.
That png? I certainly hope everyone does, it screams fake out of every pixel.
It very probably is, but the Anandtech guy is even more obvious, its an embarrassingly bad attempt.
Not just the A9X, the A57 will be more powerful as well, wouldn't even be surprised if the A53 was comparable.core for core.
Cheeseman Battitude
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I'm still interested to know what Iwata meant by "fully absorb the Wii U architecture."
UnemployedVillain
Member
I'm really interested in this too, because thus far, I don't see it really except for the similarities of being able to switch between portable and TV play. But that's where the similarities stop, at least from what we've seen so far
I don't think we will ever find out odor sure
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Probably not much outside of dev tools considering they're ditching BC
Milly Osworth
Member
Cant a developer leak some info about the whole more power or no more power in TV mode?
If there is a more powerful TV mode, doesn't that mean developers need to optimise for those 2 settings?
Please let there be a TV mode.
If there is a more powerful TV mode, doesn't that mean developers need to optimise for those 2 settings?
Please let there be a TV mode.
lukeskymac
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According to this leak, it's 4GB when in portable mode, 6GB when docked. This suggests that the dock has 2GB of additionnal RAM in it:
Yeah sure, let's put a chip AND RAM on both main unit and dock, that makes TOTAL sense...
Again, I'm calculating Pixel C's power consumption at 8 watts and Nvidia's statement about 40% improvement over Maxwell with Pascal, Pixel C is again passively cooled, so docked, the device's performance exceeds Pixel C by a large enough amount that this device that is twice as thick needs active cooling.
Pixel C has a large bright screen, it is both bigger and likely brighter than NS, thus the NS likely uses less power on the go. At 3 Hours max, with a battery the same size of N3DS XL, you'd be looking at about ~7 watts on the go, which is Vita's level. That puts this device around 600gflops.
Thanks to Laura's source, who I'm going to trust until she stops batting 100% on NS, confirmed that the clocks of the device increase when docked, Pascal as you know sits very comfortably at 1.5ghz, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this device is around 750gflops docked, and hey look, that is what the benchmark a couple pages back says about Pascal Tegra, so yes those numbers are not wild guesses, but educated ones.
BTW the rumored dev kits were overclocked, thus they were >1ghz, saying they were running hot and loud with Maxwell, which leads me to believe that ~600gflops is pretty much where it would have to be, since X1 has been out for a year and a half and runs fine at 1ghz.
UnemployedVillain
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No more than devs have to optimize for a PC max settings vs min settings. If anything, it should be easier as it's fixed hardware and they know what the range will be
Where are you reading this?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Most likely, they mean since the stand means the device doesn't have to worry battery life and there is probably better cooling through the stand the clock rate of the tegra can be increased. In an absolute best case scenario assuming it's a Parker based Tegra you would be looking at half a Geforcd 750 BY powerwise
lukeskymac
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What kind of comparison is that? You're almost never running an ultrabook at 100% load, which is what the Switch will do while running games.
Milly Osworth
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Yeah I know and it should be fine if true. But IF the developers have to optimise for 2 settings, it should be widely known in the developer community this is the case. I hope someone leaks some info on that.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Sounds about right, maybe the better coy will provide some slight advantages in certain case but overall pretty much. Handheld power is the main selling point really
The Dev Kits for NS in the Eurogamer article were actively cooled and noisy, Shield TV is passively cooled X1 chips, so the dev kit had a higher clock. The real point is in the battery life of the NS being a maximum of 3 hours and expecting that battery somewhere around N3DS XL.
Like I stated in the previous post, Pixel C uses 8 watts under 100% load in the Manhattan tech demo. The comparison is apt.
Zombie, no offense dude. But this was you in 2012 about the Wii-U Gflop count: (I actually remembered your posting style from back then.)
We all know how that one turned out, despite how 'confirmed' all the speculation in those threads was at the time. Nintendo's primary focus with this thing isn't hardware power. It makes no sense for them, nor does it make sense for a portable device.
You sure you're not just going down the exact same road here, four years later? What is theoretically possible =/= what Nintendo will actually do.
We all know how that one turned out, despite how 'confirmed' all the speculation in those threads was at the time. Nintendo's primary focus with this thing isn't hardware power. It makes no sense for them, nor does it make sense for a portable device.
You sure you're not just going down the exact same road here, four years later? What is theoretically possible =/= what Nintendo will actually do.
How does Wii U relate to NS? what technical discussion does it add other than because Nintendo? We know it is Pascal based on Nvidia's press release about Switch, we know the battery life is a maximum of 3 hours based on Laura who has been leaking this NS product for months now. So what is your point? This is just a "because nintendo" reasoning.
If you want to discuss the specs of NS with me, be technical or ignore my posts. Everyone was wrong about Wii U, even people working directly on the device, heck even now half the internet is wrong about Wii U, saying it is 352gflops, it's been out for 4 years and few have corrected that it is 176gflops.
Look, if the device was say 400gflops on the go, it would have 4-5 hours of battery life. We know what part is in this device, and 750 gflops docked lines up perfectly with emily's rumor from April which again is almost certainly correct given how her rumors about NS have panned out, it isn't some huge win either, there is a lot less power here than PS4 for instance, it is noticeably weaker than XB1, it is perfectly in line with that benchmark just a couple pages ago too. We aren't guessing about how many shaders the device has, I think everyone assumes it has the same shader count as X1, so it is drastically different than the Wii U situation.
Backfoggen
Banned
I'm getting dizzy remembering that Wii U specs rodeo on here. Why do you people do this to yourself.
Why do any of us sit in forums and get excited about our hobbies, it's fun. We didn't know what chip was in Wii U, we do know which chip is in NS, we know the power performance of the chip and we know the battery life. This isn't the same thing, but yes someone who doesn't understand that stuff can make the mistake.
Psychosis? It takes two clicks.
It's just that Zombie has been talking authoritatively about this stuff for a while now, while none of his speculation has really panned out. It's clear where his desires lie and very often his desires diverge from what's actually realistic, in my opinion.
It wasn't my intention to shame the poster, just a reminder that people can get really stuck in a single way of thinking, making them impervious to any counter opinions.
Go check my NX speculation, 14/16nm arguments against blu and Thraktor who believed it wasn't technically possible. A57 or A72 vs their A15 claims. Pan out? hell I'm the only one who has been speculating on point. I've been calling this shit like I'm in their engineering department in japan taking notes. Hell I even said that the device could exceed the PS4 CPU before LCGeek gave us that info.
Also, I don't post in every NX/NS thread and counter everyone's arguments, I just come in, see the discussion and point out all the points, not everyone remembers all the factors we have here, but when you lay them out, it paints a clear picture that this device exceeds Shield TV, even on the go.
Underpowered compared to what is the question. Wii U was on par with 360 and PS3, certainly had things better on it and some things worse. NS seems to be noticeably weaker than XB1 but that isn't an issue with porting, everything so far has leaned to being easy for XB1 and PS4 ports, heck we got news of PS4 games moving over to NS yesterday, so it is looking like it is powerful enough for 3rd parties. We also have DQ11 and Sonic coming to both PS4 and NS. It will be weaker, but it is a portable machine, so does that really matter?
UnemployedVillain
Member
LOL. I love how anyone can claim "An anonymous source told me blah blah" and instantly it's a valid rumor. How would they have "trouble" running their own game properly? It's their own fucking game. They fully know the specs of the hardware and developed it with said hardware in mind.
One has to be really stupid to think that a game in development should run perfect because the hardware is powerful, but well, this is NeoGaf.
Who says it is? Even the rumours for the dev kit don't specify the maximum battery life.
Sure, if all the assumptions you make turn out to be accurate then the picture you paint is convincing. If just one of them is off then things will be different. Just like with Wii U.
You aren't necessarily wrong, just way too sure of your assumptions -- because that is what they are at this point.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
The runour was that Mario was the reason for the delayed announcement combining that with Nintendo having problems gettting Mario to run properly is nonsense, no game is running on the switch displayed for all we know it could be running on a gaming pc. The trailer wouldn't be delayed for such a reason
protomouse
Member
Where was this said?
Dictator93
Member
Wait, it was confirmed Pascal?!
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Rumours say Pascal and Nvidia said same architecture as their top gpus (which isn't maxwell) but no explicit confirmation
No, at least not for any definition of "confirmed" I'd use.
One of the two leakers (Emily Rogers or Laura Dale, can't remember which) said that their sources confirmed this to her.
Milly Osworth
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Link?
Oh right. Now that you mention that it sounds familiar. I had it in my head that they were two components for some reason.
Edit: Anyways, I still think a cell phone processor is pretty weak for a home console.
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