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Behold Nintendo Switch (March 2017, Hybrid w/ Dock, Detachable Controllers, Nvidia)

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wrowa

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Why? That would make Switch their worst selling handheld (except for virtual boy lolz).

And Switch is replacing two products; console AND handheld. With wii and DS this market was 250 million pieces of hardware; with 3ds and WiiU it's 73 million.

Switch selling 60 million? That wouldn't be great..

Dedicated gaming handhelds are becoming increasingly redundant and less popular in the day and age of hand-me-down phones. This is a development Nintendo is unlikely to stop, so when launching new hardware, they have to take into account that the handheld market is likely to be getting smaller instead of bigger. That's the just the reality of today's market that a company cannot ignore.

The Wii U is the biggest flop in Nintendo's history, a follow-up to that is difficult no matter what they are doing. (In absolute terms, the Virtual Boy sold worse, but the Virtual Boy was just a weird spin-off of the Game Boy brand and not the sole successor to a system that sold 100 million units).

Wii U flopping and the handheld market becoming increasingly challenging is exactly the reason why they are trying to combine both segments into one. If Nintendo thought they could still sell 60 million handhelds, they wouldn't need to develop a hybrid. The idea is that even if both segments become smaller, the remaining rest might still be enough to sustain their hardware business. Of course, there is a chance and certainly a hope that by combining handheld and console they create a new thing that appeals to people so much that it becomes a huge success and more than the sum of its parts. But you can't really calculate a product like that.
 

eXistor

Member
I'm sure it's been mentioned, but I just thought of something: the Pro controller seems like it could have a detachable faceplate. That could be fun, if they'd release multiple colors and such like they did with the New 3DS.
 

wrowa

Member
How cool would it be to "switch" between all 3 versions on the go?

To cool to be true, I'd think.

It's kind of hard to sell the "next gen version" and the "classic version" separately on 3DS respectively PS4 when you're also offering a version that combines both on Switch. It'd be a good way to give non Switch-consumers the feeling of getting the short end of the stick, in any case.

Except if the Switch bundle is twice or 1.5 times as expensive the other versions, I guess.
 

Ran rp

Member
Like a volume control button.

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(I don't know how these buttons are called in English.)

rocker I think, like a rocking chair.
 

oti

Banned
Why? That would make Switch their worst selling handheld (except for virtual boy lolz).

And Switch is replacing two products; console AND handheld. With wii and DS this market was 250 million pieces of hardware; with 3ds and WiiU it's 73 million.

Switch selling 60 million? That wouldn't be great..

So... you don't think there are people out there who bought both Wii U and 3DS?
 
While that's true, it's just half a year before the console will reach the shelves. We won't get changes as drastic as with Revolution/Wii controllers or with Wii U GamePad:


Although who knows. Apparently Wii Classic Controller was supposed to have only one Z button; three-shouldered Classic Controllers were demoed pretty late in pre-release stage:

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Does anyone know why the wii classic controller has a some sort of docking mechanism? ( the two bars seen in the picture)
 

Sandfox

Member
So this is basically a portable Wii U, right?

I mean the hardware looks nice but they should've shown some more new games for it which would heavily benefit being a portable game.

Also this looks like a perfect opportunity to resell their games which is of course pretty convenient and saves money.

If this would've release instead of the Wii U back then it would be pretty sweet but now...

We'll, I'm definitely more interested in it than the Wii U back then and I actually do like portable devices (for home use).

Switch has a completely different concept from the Wii U so I wouldn't call it a portable version of that.
 
So... you don't think there are people out there who bought both Wii U and 3DS?
I do and they need to make up for that with Switch. No more double vc sales, smash etc.

One revenue for handheld and consoles which has to be in line with 3ds and wiiu combined otherwise investors won't be pleased.

Maybe that's why mobile is so important for Nintendo. To ofset their losses on traditional space.
 
Switch has a completely different concept from the Wii U so I wouldn't call it a portable version of that.

Conceptually, I would say that it's the Wii U's Off TV Functionality (which is one of the best features of the system and frankly does deserve a console all its own especially after seeing my dad who really dislikes videogames really enjoys the system's internet and off-TV functions regularly) taken to its logical extreme. Now if they could get the Internet browser Functionality too and we might have a pretty solid system utility wise.
 
We're 5 months before the launch, we're way pass the prototypes phase. Should be started production for the retail units by now and Emily Rogers said that this is indeed the case.

When the Wii Remote was revealed they purposefully left features out of it. Go look at the reveal trailer and then look at your Wii Remote. The first thing you'll notice is the reveal has no speaker. Also the plug for the Nunchuck was a giant block instead of the Ethernet-esque clip we have now.

Everyone and their mom has commented on how the Switch components look like they're fresh out of a 3D printer in the teaser. There is every chance that what we see in the reveal and what we buy in March will not be the same, not because they're still changing the looks, but because they purposefully held back features again.

Does anyone know why the wii classic controller has a some sort of docking mechanism? ( the two bars seen in the picture)

I think the popular theory was that originally there was gonna be some kind of clip or cradle so the Wii Remote would plug into the back, instead of just dangling off into nowhere.
Edit: Beaten with a picture of a 3rd party clip!
 

Philippo

Member
So, what are we expecting the launch line-up to be?
I can see:
Zelda BotW
Splatoon Remaster
Mario Kart Remaster (digital)
Smash Bros Remaster (digital)
Watch_Dogs 2?
Battlefield 1?
Injustice 2? (If it releases in March)
DQ Builders / World of FF?

But aside from Zelda , which will also be avaible on WiiU, those are all ports of old games, which would make the line up really boring.

I don't follow N's studios too closely, which ones might have Switch exclusive titles ready for launch?
 

I Wanna Be The Guy

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Speaking of virtual console I'm calling it now. VC titles purchased on Wii U will carry over at no additional cost. Nintendo account exists now. They easily have access to your purchase history through that account. There's no excuses any more and I personally believe that Nintendo will go for any piece of positive PR they can get. I see them announcing it at a big Switch event in January.
 
So, what are we expecting the launch line-up to be?
I can see:
Zelda BotW
Splatoon Remaster
Mario Kart Remaster (digital)
Smash Bros Remaster (digital)
Watch_Dogs 2?
Battlefield 1?
Injustice 2? (If it releases in March)
DQ Builders / World of FF?

But aside from Zelda , which will also be avaible on WiiU, those are all ports of old games, which would make the line up really boring.

I don't follow N's studios too closely, which ones might have Switch exclusive titles ready for launch?
Are you only talking about the day the system releases, or are we counting "launch window" too? Because a recent rumor said Zelda, Mario, and Pokemon within the first 6 months, so that would include the launch window.

I think Pikmin 4 is gonna come out really close to launch too, they announced it years ago and there's no doubt in my mind it was gonna be a Wii U game that got moved to the Switch.
 
But it was needed to be done for Nintendo to survive. Accelerated downward trend on handheld market and disaster on a console market that it's not feeling very well itself. Nintendo had no realistic alternative here.

Instead of selling 2 copies of the same Smash Nintendo could develop more different games and sell 2 copies, one of Smash and 1 of something else. Or do more DLCs. There are solutions.
There are. They will survive!

But... I'm still not convinced thinking 30 or 40 million Switch hardware sales would be enough to call this switch ;) successful.
 

Sandfox

Member
Conceptually, I would say that it's the Wii U's Off TV Functionality (which is one of the best features of the system) taken to its logical extreme. Now if they could get the Internet browser Functionality too and we might have a pretty solid system utility wise.

Yeah,but the main thing about the Wii U was supposed to be two screen gameplay with the pad controller, which isn't present here at all. I agree with the idea that that this is what the Wii U should have been, but the tech to pull it off probably wasn't even there at the time.

So, what are we expecting the launch line-up to be?
I can see:
Zelda BotW
Splatoon Remaster
Mario Kart Remaster (digital)
Smash Bros Remaster (digital)
Watch_Dogs 2?
Battlefield 1?
Injustice 2? (If it releases in March)
DQ Builders / World of FF?

But aside from Zelda , which will also be avaible on WiiU, those are all ports of old games, which would make the line up really boring.

I don't follow N's studios too closely, which ones might have Switch exclusive titles ready for launch?
I'm only expecting two or so remasters at launch.
 

oti

Banned
So, what are we expecting the launch line-up to be?
I can see:
Zelda BotW
Splatoon Remaster
Mario Kart Remaster (digital)
Smash Bros Remaster (digital)
Watch_Dogs 2?
Battlefield 1?
Injustice 2? (If it releases in March)
DQ Builders / World of FF?

But aside from Zelda , which will also be avaible on WiiU, those are all ports of old games, which would make the line up really boring.

I don't follow N's studios too closely, which ones might have Switch exclusive titles ready for launch?

Throw in some cool indie game too. Huge opportunity for indies.

I don't know about all those ports though. Maybe just Splatoon for launch and the rest at a later point. But why did you write digital? I fully expect to see them on store shelves.

Also Battlefield 1 sounds really ambitious.
 
Speaking of virtual console I'm calling it now. VC titles purchased on Wii U will carry over at no additional cost. Nintendo account exists now. They easily have access to your purchase history through that account. There's no excuses any more and I personally believe that Nintendo will go for any piece of positive PR they can get. I see them announcing it at a big Switch event in January.

What about the 3DS? I made the majority of my Eshop purchases there. Considering the whole point of the Switch is unify everything, it'd be lovely to unify both the 3DS and Wii U VC games.

Imagine having NES, SNES, N64, Game Boy (Color), Game Gear, and Game Boy Advance games on the new Eshop right off the bat. It'd be a dream come true.
 

Linkhero1

Member
So, what are we expecting the launch line-up to be?
I can see:
Zelda BotW
Splatoon Remaster
Mario Kart Remaster (digital)
Smash Bros Remaster (digital)
Watch_Dogs 2?
Battlefield 1?
Injustice 2? (If it releases in March)
DQ Builders / World of FF?

But aside from Zelda , which will also be avaible on WiiU, those are all ports of old games, which would make the line up really boring.

I don't follow N's studios too closely, which ones might have Switch exclusive titles ready for launch?

Why would Mario Kart and Smash Bros be digital only? Wouldn't they want that store presence? When a parent goes in to buy the console they're not going to look up what digital games are available ahead of time, they're going to pick something off the shelf that looks appropriate for their kid.
 

Hilarion

Member
Speaking of virtual console I'm calling it now. VC titles purchased on Wii U will carry over at no additional cost. Nintendo account exists now. They easily have access to your purchase history through that account. There's no excuses any more and I personally believe that Nintendo will go for any piece of positive PR they can get. I see them announcing it at a big Switch event in January.

I know that you'll be flamed a lot for that, but I think it's quite likely for NES/SNES/N64/GBA/DS games, and starting out with the Wii U VC for those five systems would be an incredibly strong base for future VC expansion, with over 250 titles right from the start.

I strongly doubt that'd be the case for Wii titles, though. Those games are running through native backwards compatibility on the Wii U and not through an emulator and the process of getting them working will have to be redone from scratch.
 

I Wanna Be The Guy

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
So, what are we expecting the launch line-up to be?
I can see:
Zelda BotW
Splatoon Remaster
Mario Kart Remaster (digital)
Smash Bros Remaster (digital)
Watch_Dogs 2?
Battlefield 1?
Injustice 2? (If it releases in March)
DQ Builders / World of FF?

But aside from Zelda , which will also be avaible on WiiU, those are all ports of old games, which would make the line up really boring.

I don't follow N's studios too closely, which ones might have Switch exclusive titles ready for launch?
All of these plus some showcase new IP from Nintendo that they pack in with the system. Add Resident Evil 7, COD Infinite Warfare, NBA 2K, Fifa 17 other major sports games to the list. It'll have a number of indies on it day 1. I'm thinking Sonic Mania could be a possibility for launch too, though I'm not sure if that will be out in time for March or not. Just Dance is a lock as well. Gonna be a pretty big launch lineup.
 

wrowa

Member
I don't think launching with a bunch of Wii U remasters would really do Nintendo's message any favors.

I'd argue that in terms of games also available on Wii U they'll release Zelda and either Mario Kart, Splatoon or Smash Bros at launch. The other two should follow in the upcoming months to pad the Spring and/or Summer line up.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Has EA put out an offical statement regarding Switch?

Congratulations to our partners at Nintendo on their reveal of Nintendo Switch – it’s great to see the excitement for their new device." - EA representative

From the IGN article with responses from devs about the reveal.
 
Serkan Toto said it would be a launch title but I'm still hoping Smash 4 Switch is delayed a few months. It would be beneficial in my eyes. It'd give Sakurai more time to work on extra content and give Mario Kart 8(.5) some space at launch.

I could see MK8 at launch because it's been quite some time since its DLC period ended, all the way back in Spring 2015. That's most likely a good amount of time for the team to add in a worthwhile amount of new content in time for launch. Smash 4 on the other hand finished its DLC in February earlier this year. It's possible they might need more time for that one.
 

oti

Banned
Has EA put out an offical statement regarding Switch?

Other than acknowledging the Switch, no. But there were reports of Nintendo and EA rekindling the relationship and that EA wanted Nintendo to position itself better for sports titles. Emily Rogers said these reports were dead on the money. So we'll see.
 

Aostia

El Capitan Todd
I think that apart the price, The kind of games they will push will be the key to success
I think that pushing the home side will be a mistake because no one will trust them of being able to properly support the consolle in the long run
While if they present the classic japanese first and third party portable support but shifted into a modern hd environment you can experience on the go but also on the TV it could sell well
Think about the next fire emblem, pokemon and monster hunter on full power on the Switch
 
I think that apart the price, The kind of games they will push will be the key to success
I think that pushing the home side will be a mistake because no one will trust them of being able to properly support the consolle in the long run
While if they present the classic japanese first and third party portable support but shifted into a modern hd environment you can experience on the go but also on the TV it could sell well
Think about the next fire emblem, pokemon and monster hunter on full power on the Switch
I think Switch will be the home for indies /ex-vita developers and traditional Nintendo supporters like Level-5.

Switch will be big in Japan.... no doubt.
 
Other than acknowledging the Switch, no. But there were reports of Nintendo and EA rekindling the relationship and that EA wanted Nintendo to position itself better for sports titles. Emily Rogers said these reports were dead on the money. So we'll see.
I hope so. Nintendo needs EA content to gain mass recognition.
 

TheMoon

Member
Most Nintendo games shown were direct WiiU ports, so... yes.

I spoke a lot of Nintendo fans. Most of them seem to be quite happy to pay again for the same games they bought max 3 years ago.

So, good move by Nintendo I guess.

Most= 2 games. And they're not straight ports anyway. MK has different mechanics and extra drivers and that's just from the handful of seconds. Splatoon showed a different stage and customizable hair styles. These are not "the same games." Plus this whole argument died when everyone and their grandma happily embraced the Remaster Generation.
 

killroy87

Member
I k ow this is a pipe dream, but I was really hoping that, considering the timing of both announcements, the Red Dead trailer would have shown the Nintendo Switch logo at the end of it. Skyrim and Bethesda is a good get, but a simultaneous launch of a Rockstar game? That would make me say god damn.
 

NeonZ

Member
I think that apart the price, The kind of games they will push will be the key to success
I think that pushing the home side will be a mistake because no one will trust them of being able to properly support the consolle in the long run
While if they present the classic japanese first and third party portable support but shifted into a modern hd environment you can experience on the go but also on the TV it could sell well
Think about the next fire emblem, pokemon and monster hunter on full power on the Switch

The fact that they really don't want to announce things in detail before this holiday gives me some hope for a Pokemon related announcement, although something like that would be pretty unprecedented even for a handheld.

An early Monster Hunter almost certainly will be there, but it likely will be released alongside a 3ds version, which might make people look at it like the Wii U version of 3 Ultimate.
 

I Wanna Be The Guy

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
I k ow this is a pipe dream, but I was really hoping that, considering the timing of both announcements, the Red Dead trailer would have shown the Nintendo Switch logo at the end of it. Skyrim and Bethesda is a good get, but a simultaneous launch of a Rockstar game? That would make me say god damn.
Never say never! The fact that even after the reveal no devs have come out and announced their games still gives me hope for Rockstar. But I'll say this. If at the major sofware reveal event for Switch in January neither Red Dead 2 nor something else like a GTA V port is announced, the dream is officially dead.
 

wwm0nkey

Member
With Monster Hunter getting popular outside of Japan(finally) I wonder if we will get day and date release with Japan now, get the rest of the world paying extra for the Ultimate versions lol
 

wrowa

Member
Speaking of Level 5, what happens to their stuff? I mean games like Professor Layton just won't work without touch.

The display more than likely is a touchscreen.

If the Joycons have gyroscopes in them, they could use Skyward Sword-style gyro-pointing controls when played in TV mode. Wouldn't be as good as touch, but it would be good enough for games like Layton.
 

oti

Banned
Speaking of Level 5, what happens to their stuff? I mean games like Professor Layton just won't work without touch.

They seem to be in a weird position. Fantasy Life 2 just got renamed to Fantasy Life Online, their Smartphone Layton brothers game didn't do that well I believe, who knows where Lady Layton is, we need an update on their Snack World game and Ni no Kuni 2.

Youkai could be amazing if they released a Joy-Con that can scan medals directly on Switch but who knows how popular Youkai will be Fall 2017.
 
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Deleted member 752119

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Speaking of Level 5, what happens to their stuff? I mean games like Professor Layton just won't work without touch.

If the display is a touch screen, then it's a portable mode only game.

Or, and perhaps more likely, those types of games become Nintendo mobile games.
 

wrowa

Member
They seem to be in a weird position. Fantasy Life 2 just got renamed to Fantasy Life Online, their Smartphone Layton brothers game didn't do that well I believe, who knows where Lady Layton is, we need an update on their Snack World game and Ni no Kuni 2.

Eh, Level 5 Vision where they announced Lady Layton and showed games like Snack World and their new mech thing was just a mere three months ago.
 

oti

Banned
If the display is a touch screen, then it's a portable mode only game.

Or, and perhaps more likely, those types of games become Nintendo mobile games.

They seem to be selling pretty comfortably at 40€ though. I'm sure both Nintendo and Level-5 don't want to give up that price point. I hope they'll find a good solution for such games.
 

Terrell

Member
When Nintendo kicks off marketing in January I fully expect a a Super Bowl commercial. Good lord you can't ask for better advertising and a good month before the release.

Yeah, it's great timing in that regard. It'd be expensive, but the payoff would be exceptional.

So much potential for customized joycons. Soooooooo much potential.

It was the best reason to be excited about the detachable controllers, yes.

When the Vita was launched, some people here said that one reason why it sold poorly was because people didnt want console-like games on a handheld. They rather wanted bit sized games that were easy to pick up and play. I'm curious of anyone has changed their mind on this, especially now with Nintendo Switch?

Personally, i think console like games have been on handheld all the way since the first Gameboy, so for me its no major difference. Just curious if anyone has changed their mind on this.

EDIT: Fixed a typo.

As others have mentioned, it was that people didn't want "console-like" games, they wanted console games that would benefit from the same online player base and things like that. What they got was similar but separate games, developed by B teams. Y'know, kind of a similar complaint people had with the Wii and the games 3rd-parties made there.

Wiiu sold 13 million
3ds sold 60 million

Both were a dissapointment for Nintendo. NS is going to replace both. So 73 million at least or NS is a big faillure.

That's a bit of a reach. I'm sure Nintendo is happy with 3DS, just not AS happy as they wanted to be. That doesn't make it an outright disappointment.

I agree with your post. Just want to say the Switch is replacing two revenue's. Two loose virtual consoles; thousands if not million(s?) double bought copies of Smash (so they can have both the 3ds and wiiu version), etc...

Merging two markets is only done when it's needed to survive. Expectations will be high.

We don't know how high...

The expectations can actually lower in this regard, due to all the cost savings involved with:

- marketing a single device instead of 2
- developing for a single device instead of 2
- merchandising, shipping and retailing for a single device instead of 2

By that alone, instead of needing 2 pieces of hardware to be successful and sell software, they only need 1 to do that. There's a huge boon monetarily from doing that which you don't seem to be seeing.

I do and they need to make up for that with Switch. No more double vc sales, smash etc.

The amount of users that bought a Wii U and 3DS is largely overstated. As are the people who double-dip on software to make that statistically relevant. Smash 3DS buyers weren't terribly likely to buy it on the Wii U outside the hardest of hardcore players.

Speaking of virtual console I'm calling it now. VC titles purchased on Wii U will carry over at no additional cost. Nintendo account exists now. They easily have access to your purchase history through that account. There's no excuses any more and I personally believe that Nintendo will go for any piece of positive PR they can get. I see them announcing it at a big Switch event in January.

It would certainly be a boon to them, yes.

I don't think launching with a bunch of Wii U remasters would really do Nintendo's message any favors.

I'd argue that in terms of games also available on Wii U they'll release Zelda and either Mario Kart, Splatoon or Smash Bros at launch. The other two should follow in the upcoming months to pad the Spring and/or Summer line up.

I can see the wisdom in spreading them out, and they probably will, just so they don't front-load the launch. They'll all be announced before launch though, as well as what they plan to do to resolve people who already bought the Wii U game.
 

Speely

Banned
I wonder if they'll tie in Super Mario Run to the new 3D Mario game.

I hope so. I would like to see all their mobile games have some form of integration with their respective Switch games, even if just in small ways through mynintendo or something. That could be a huge means of promotion for their hardware through the mobile market itself.
 
So....

I'm worried about how I'll be able to dock and undock my system when the dock is placed on the shelves of my TV stand

The shelves/levels, like most TV stands, don't have a lot of depth so I'm not sure I'll be able to lift the main body in and out of the dock without it being blocked by the TV stand shelf above.

I suspect a lot of people may potentially have this problem.

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wrowa

Member
They seem to be selling pretty comfortably at 40€ though. I'm sure both Nintendo and Level-5 don't want to give up that price point. I hope they'll find a good solution for such games.

Level 5 have already acknowledged that kids are moving to smartphones and announced that they'll release more smartphone versions of their upcoming games. For example, Lady Layton and Snack World will release on both 3DS and smartphones and they are also developing a smartphone port of Yokai Watch 1.
 

Baron Aloha

A Shining Example
I'm probably going to wait for the first revision (assuming they will have one) but I'm excited to see what they do with this thing.

I do wonder about the pricing though. I kind of wonder if they will sell the screen and 2 joy cons separate from the base station and that other "controller" that joins the 2 joy cons together. I know that the 'all in one' thing is the biggest differentiater but there are going to be a lot of folks who just want the next 3DS/portable and don't care about the home console part of it.

That'd be implying that Nintendo isn't gonna make us fork over more dough for THIS:

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Great now I want this.
 
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