TheSpoiler
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Yu Narukami
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I reached episode 20 in a couple of days and Vegeta is still the coolest bad-ass. Also is Whis the strongest fighter in the Universe?
ArchedThunder
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RocknRola
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You know, I think it would be fun to explore exactly what Whis (and the other God of Destruction servants) really are, along with Zeno and his crew.
Not necessarily a battle heavy plot or anything, but a small "filler" arc of sorts, going into more detail on what they are, how they came to be and how they function. Perhaps share a couple of fun stories from previous eras too. That's the sort of side content I think most fans would enjoy I think.
I mean, seeing Vegeta suck on a pacifier is cool and all but..yeahh......no thank you.
Not necessarily a battle heavy plot or anything, but a small "filler" arc of sorts, going into more detail on what they are, how they came to be and how they function. Perhaps share a couple of fun stories from previous eras too. That's the sort of side content I think most fans would enjoy I think.
I mean, seeing Vegeta suck on a pacifier is cool and all but..yeahh......no thank you.
Huw_Dawson
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I marathoned the entire Future Trunks arc last night.
This arc is seriously the best thing to happen to Dragon Ball since BoG.
My only problem is that Goku is being played up to be a bit too much of an idiot...
But considering that all we knew about this arc at the start was that this was the 'evil Goku look-alike' arc, and it now has one of the best villains the show has had and a bunch of great character arcs, great action and world building... No wonder this is what finally got the show streamed outside Japan!
This arc is seriously the best thing to happen to Dragon Ball since BoG.
My only problem is that Goku is being played up to be a bit too much of an idiot...
But considering that all we knew about this arc at the start was that this was the 'evil Goku look-alike' arc, and it now has one of the best villains the show has had and a bunch of great character arcs, great action and world building... No wonder this is what finally got the show streamed outside Japan!
Not even Pokemon looks like their best OVAs.
DiipuSurotu
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And he also looks like James Marsters' Piccolo. Maybe he's kind of a big fuck you to Dragonball Evolution.
roflwaffles
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Something that never sat right with me:
SSJ2 Trunks is so outclassed by Base Black that he can barely do any damage and has to retreat to the past.
SSJ2 Trunks spars with SSJ2 Goku and seems to do okay until he gets OHKOed by SSJ3. Trunks says that Base Black is about SSJ3 level.
When Goku and Black have their first fight, SSJ2 Goku seems slightly superior. Whats up with that?
SSJ2 Trunks is so outclassed by Base Black that he can barely do any damage and has to retreat to the past.
SSJ2 Trunks spars with SSJ2 Goku and seems to do okay until he gets OHKOed by SSJ3. Trunks says that Base Black is about SSJ3 level.
When Goku and Black have their first fight, SSJ2 Goku seems slightly superior. Whats up with that?
ArchedThunder
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Black was holding back, that was brought up in the middle of the fight.
The Silver
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i wasn't really talking about it in reference to itself, of course its own movies and ovas would be superior, the point was how it can consistently keep a very high animation quality for a long running weekly series
There are some times loopholes in the wishes granted, like Frieza coming back to life in pieces. However, once the wish is giving, there are no loopholes.
DiipuSurotu
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Is 17 more powerful than Krillin/Tien?
About a million times yes.
Toriyama recently came out and said 17 and 18 can get stronger because they are living beings thanks to their human base.
So if 17 trained off screen or decides to train, he can easily match Piccolo's current level (or go above).
Only 17 has unlimited energy by the way, but I guess Super writers would overlook that fact.
I doubts he trains since he has a job, children, and seems to put his rebel without a cause days behind him. The only people we know that trains all the time are Goku, Vegeta, Tien, and Piccolo.
Host Samurai
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Last episode it was revealed that Whis is an angel and dies if Beerus dies. He comes back once a new GoD is born.
RocknRola
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Yeah, I saw it too. I meant explain it more than that, really dive into it you know?
Whis doesn't die if Beerus dies. He becomes dormant.
Diablohead
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Whis as an angel and pretty much babysitting over beerus makes a lot of sense in my books, and I like it.
Slightly related but i've pulled myself back into Dokkan Battle, had to start again because I never backed up my account when I sold my iphone earlier this year but i've started off on a better footing with a SSR goku so i'm all good.
Slightly related but i've pulled myself back into Dokkan Battle, had to start again because I never backed up my account when I sold my iphone earlier this year but i've started off on a better footing with a SSR goku so i'm all good.
Makes me wonder if someone could claim the title and revive Whis. I mean, it's not like we don't know at least two people with horribly destructive powers and godly ki already. Didn't Vegeta actually get offered the job by Whis earlier, or was that Goku? One of them did, I think.
Hey if Gohan fans can dream, so can I, savvy ?
I did not know 17 was still alive. I thought he was still dead since we did not see him after cell's defeat. WTF, Toriyama, I liked that cocky fucker. 18 and him should be shown more.
SenjutsuSage
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It bears repeating again, the way Vegeta absolutely shamed and beat the living daylights out of Black in this episode was too damn good. Vegeta didn't mess around and took his power to entirely new heights, to the point that it doesn't appear like Black is able to ascend to a level mid battle that can be considered remotely comparable from a power perspective.
I mean, Vegeta had to run away like a coward twice, and spend 6 months training to catch up.
So the lesson giving loses a bit of its value.
Whis only offers job to Goku in the BOG movie. Also, both Goku and Vegeta don't want Beerus' job going by the Resurrection movie and arc.
I kinda have to agree. Plus, he literally did crap in round two. Goku got a rage boost and beat up on both Zamasu and Black, Trunks got a new form and beat on Zamasu and Black, Bulma piloted the Time Machine, and Vegeta….was there. Other than carrying Goku to the Time Machine, you can remove him from round 2 and nothing would really change. Which was probably why Bulma threw spades at him last episode.
Although, he didn't run away twice. Remember, he was unconscious when he was drag to the Time Machine the first time.
We *did* see him.
Don't even remember that. Wierd.
Adam Sadler
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Haha was thinking the same. I thought it was weird people in the the was bringing him up. Turns out he actually is alive
Supaidaman
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It's a pleasure to finally be able to watch this series in a legal way. FREAKIN LOVED the beatdown that Vegeta gave to Black.
This is one of my favorite DB Sagas ever right now. I've never imagined that I would be this this excited for Dragon Ball in 2016.
This is one of my favorite DB Sagas ever right now. I've never imagined that I would be this this excited for Dragon Ball in 2016.
Huh... no they didn't.
Yes they did. Goku beat up on both Zamasu and Black with a hole in his chest before Black powered up and took him down. Trunks soloed Black and Zamasu, making Black actually bleed, and bought time for Vegeta and the others to escape. Vegeta literally did nothing but run away.
DiipuSurotu
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Checks and balances.
...until a random Kaio decides to rebel, use the overpowered Super Dragon Balls and start killing gods and ningens left and right, anyway.
So what, they threw some punches but were dominated in the end (Goku got impaled and Trunks ended up in a bed, needing to eat a Senzu). You can't compare their fight with Vegeta's. Black is SHOOK, he knows and stated that Vegeta is much more powerful. He knows he can't beat Vegeta and that's exactly why we will see a fusion next episode.
Vegeta did six months of training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber while both Goku, Trunks, and even Black got their power up on the field in the middle of a fierce battle. That isn't really impressive on Vegeta's part. Plus, Goku and Trunks fought two opponents, while Vegeta only has Black since Goku is keeping his immortal meat shield busy.
We also don't know if Vegeta backs Black into fusion since Black is still fighting in the next episode and Vegeta has battle damage on him.
Lamel
Banned
If your complaint is that training to get stronger isn't impressive, DB isn't really a good series for you.
We will see. I just think it's too weak to say ''ohh but he trained, of course he would've beat them. Not impressive!11!''
I mean, no shit man! If only those other idiots thought about training to beat them they could've settled this problem long before. Trunks kind of improved a lot with his meditation training that ended up with a new transformation, but in the end, he is still weak ass Trunks. Goku on other hand, there is just no excuse.
Vic_Viper
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When did Mai, Garlic, and the dog become kids? Wasn't that in GT? Sorry just started watching Super the other day and was wondering about it for a bit. I'm assuming everything else in GT is not canon.
Also I really miss having a more serious Goku at times. Like he was after coming back for the first time after the Frieda Arc, when future Trunks first appears in Z.
Also I really miss having a more serious Goku at times. Like he was after coming back for the first time after the Frieda Arc, when future Trunks first appears in Z.
It's not Garlick, it's Pilaf.
They were the initial villains of Dragon Ball (when Goku is a kid).
The story didn't start with Dragon Ball Z.
Serious Goku is sadly dead at this point, but sometimes he does come back briefly. He had a great moment in one of the recent episodes.
I am not making a complaint. I just said what Vegeta did wasn't as impressive compared to Goku and Trunks because they got stronger in the middle of their fights and didn't need to train for months, which makes Vegeta's beat down and speech to Black less impressive. I mean, Vegeta said that Black is losing because he's a fake Saiyan, yet Vegeta needed six months to surpass him.
I said it's less impressive compared to Goku and Trunks' feats. Vegeta getting stronger than Black in six months is cool, but it's undercuts his message about Black being a false Saiyan who can't properly used his body. All Black's gains came from battle, not six months of level grinding.
Trunks training was only a couple days at best and even then, he was being knocked around by Black. His giant gain happened after he snapped. And he still fought both Zamasu and Black at the same time, while Vegeta gets to solo Black.
Goku learned a technique to stop an immortal, which is kind of important.
Vic_Viper
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Sorry, Pilaf.
I know that lol, but it's been like 20 years since I've seen Dragon Ball and 15 since Z. But still when did those 3 become so young again?
Pilaf and co. are completely unseen during Z, at which point they gathered the dragon balls and wished for youth. Shenlong ended up turning them into babies around the same time Trunks was born.
In the manga this was a single panel of 17 giving Goku energy for his Spirit Bomb against Buu, so I guess in the anime it would have been a blink-and-you-miss-it kind of appearance.
Vic_Viper
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That was shown in a bonus chapter for the Manga. In GT that never happened, instead, the Pilaf gang grew old naturally, and tried to get the Dragon Balls but Pilaf wished Goku to be a child. The Pilaf gang was still old.
It was recently depicted in a bonus chapter of the Super manga.
and yeah, basically the same set up as GT except they succeed instead of accidentally making Goku a kid. (and are using different dragon balls at a different point in time)
Pankratous
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Wonder if we'll see Vegito in next weeks preview or if there'll be a few episodes of getting smacked.
I half expect Super to end with Vegeta claiming the role of GoD and Goku having the rules rewritten to where he becomes the Supreme Kai.
Really enjoyed this last episode. Lots of action, looked great, and Vegeta looking as good as he should. On the home stretch!
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