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Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States

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MGrant

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From my Facebook feed:

Here is what I know for sure: No matter who you voted for, YOU are in control of your words and actions (and FB posts)... only you. So if you're worried about hate or divisiveness, then be a part of the solution. Don't post that boastful or despairing (depending your position) post. Get away from your phone and live out what you claim to believe. #lovepeople #loveJesus it's pretty simple

It's taking all of my willpower not to post this gif as a reply:

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Seriously can the world fuck off with this shit? Politics is a life-and-death choice. I can't make you take it seriously, but don't come to me with this facile horseshit as if we can just believe ourselves into a better situation despite the vultures circling overhead.
 

Flo_Evans

Member
God gonna be such a somber day. At least there are no big republicans in the office to gloat. I'll just have my head on my desk all day.
 

Maledict

Member
It happens in the UK all the time, Scotland votes for the SNP, rUK votes Conservative and we get a Conservative government because of the size of England. Hence why me and many others want Scottish independence. England votes Brexit, Scotland votes remain, Scotland has to Brexit.

America is kind of like the UK in that more weight is given to some states due to their size.

That is literally *nothing* like Scotland and the UK.

An apt comparison would be "California votes democrat, yet they get a republican president, how is that fair".

A more apt comparison would be "The SNP gets 50% of the vote and yet 92% of the MP seats in Scotland, how is that fair". But even that doesn't fully compare - it's very hard in a westminster system to get a result where the popular vote doesn't win you the house.
 

Steel

Banned
Can someone answer me this, if the popular vote isn't the final word, how can you even qualify this as a democracy? Who are the overseers of the Electoral College?

The way it works is that we have 50 separate elections. Doesn't matter how much candidates win each individual election, they'll get the same amount of points from the electoral college so long as they win. Winner take all for each of those elections. So if you get 100% of the vote in one place it doesn't help you.
 

Camwi

Member
This guy's approval rating when he leaves office will be in the single digits. Mark it down.

He could personally shit on everyone's family members and people would still approve and vote for him, because "OMG liberals are ruining this country! Let's go back to when this country was great and ni-- black people didn't mind when we said racist shit!"
 

Audioboxer

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What your describing is contradictory ideas. The UK has a first past the post system which means if the majority of your country is concentrated in one area it doesn't matter it has the same weight as someone's county in Scotland with a fraction of the population. It's how the conservatives with only roughgly 30% of the vote gained a parliament majority. They one key areas they needed to win even if by the smallest of margins. The Referendum was entirely different it is proportional and thus every vote mattered equal thus the popular vote wins either. it's in this scenario Scotland was worse of.

First past the post benefits Scotland far, far more than a proportional democracy does within the union as it has a large land mass in comparison to it's small population.

That is literally *nothing* like Scotland and the UK.

An apt comparison would be "California votes democrat, yet they get a republican president, how is that fair".

A more apt comparison would be "The SNP gets 50% of the vote and yet 92% of the MP seats in Scotland, how is that fair". But even that doesn't fully compare - it's very hard in a westminster system to get a result where the popular vote doesn't win you the house.

The way in which it feels guys. That feeling of when you vote for something but somewhere else has a bigger share of importance than you, so you have to go along.

Yes this democracy, but my point is after having some time to mourn and feel frustration, you have to look for ways forward not just live in frustration and a "fuck you" attitude.
 

MilShap

Member
I can't say I am surprised, I can say I am disappointed. Also, the thought of republican controlled executive, house, senate, and Supreme Court is genuinely terryfying. Stay safe everybody
 

xptoxyz

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Here in Spain we're used to a system like that, it isn't fair, but the main parties who benefit from that system don't want to change it, ever..

I'm guessing you're talking about seats per region rather than country-wide, but doesn't Spain use d'Hondt rather than winner take all?
 

Fox Mulder

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From my Facebook feed:



It's taking all of my willpower not to post this gif as a reply:

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Seriously can the world fuck off with this shit? Politics is a life-and-death choice. I can't make you take it seriously, but don't come to me with this facile horseshit as if we can just believe ourselves into a better situation despite the vultures circling overhead.

Yep, fuck them. Obama tried to be civil and reach the other side for 8 years and he has to hand the keys over to a racist fuck candidate supported by the kkk.

We ignored and let the tea party shit happen by sitting out midterms. We need to go to war with the deplorables for our country.
 

Mikey Jr.

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Maybe this is one of those things that in 4 years, America will come out stronger? Like, we are going to beaten to a pulp for a while, but we'll heal, and come out better?

Im trying to find some silver lining here. Or is it downhill from here?

My only hope is that trump ends his presidency with a whimper. That in the end, nothing was accomplished really.
 

dankir

Member
I feel so bad for the Obamas. They have to be present for the Inauguration... they need to be corgil with this piece of shit.

I'm really sad today.
 

Zakalwe

Banned
Which I'll say as I did for Brexit having a protest vote at government when it's something this serious is going for the nuclear route. No pun intended there either as Trump nuke hyperbole is outrageous.

People need to do better at reshaping liberal parties rather than protest voting at the system. I mean the American political system is a disgusting monster, but protest voting for a egotistical billionaire? Great way to get at the "system...".

However I will admit Bernie would have appealed better to these votes, but sadly large portions of America seem to totally want to reject socialism.

I disagree, to an extent. Trump winning has potentially changed the way every presidential race in the future will be run. While he may turn out to be just as bad as many of us think he will, perhaps this was exactly what the system needed for real change.

The people protest voting for Trump got exactly what they wanted. 4 years is a long time, though, remains to see just how much damage can be done in that time.
 

JB1981

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This was a fucking wipe out. The DNC should be embarrassed with how colossally they fucked this one up. House, Senate, Oval Office, new Repub governorships. A routing. Can't believe Pollsters had her starting the night with 268 electoral votes. Shame on Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC leadership for pushing such an unlikeable figure down our throats.
 

Machina

Banned
The way it works is that we have 50 separate elections. Doesn't matter how much candidates win each individual election, they'll get the same amount of points from the electoral college so long as they win. Winner take all for each of those elections. So if you get 100% of the vote in one place it doesn't help you.

Ahuh, umm yeah your system is F'd in the A.
 
God gonna be such a somber day. At least there are no big republicans in the office to gloat. I'll just have my head on my desk all day.

I'm registered republican and I don't even feel like gloating. I actually paid very little attention to the election last night aside from reading meltdowns on Gaf.

I do have an American Government class in 2 hours though, so that should be very interesting.
 
Maybe this is one of those things that in 4 years, America will come out stronger? Like, we are going to beaten to a pulp for a while, but we'll heal, and come out better?

Im trying to find some silver lining here. Or is it downhill from here?

My only hope is that trump ends his presidency with a whimper. That in the end, nothing was accomplished really.

Honestly it could be the shock to the system America needed. The problem is these shocks often result in actual lives being actually ended/ruined so nobody wants to be around for the shock or have it happen in their lifetime.
 

Audioboxer

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I disagree. Trump winning has potentially changed the way every presidential race in the future will be run. While he may turn out to be just as bad as many of us think he will, perhaps this was exactly what the system needed for real change.

The people protest voting for Trump got exactly what they wanted. 4 years is a long time, though, remains to see just how much damage can be done in that time.

Wishful thinking, or more bluntly put Americans putting too much belief in shit political candidates spout whilst running for election.

At this point it has literally become a gotcha popularity contest, and Trump proved saying outrageous shit which will probably never see the light of day captured news headlines and peoples attention. This isn't suppose to be how politics are won/fought, but welcome to 2016 memeland and social media nonsense.
 

WedgeX

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I'm registered republican and I don't even feel like gloating. I actually paid very little attention to the election last night aside from reading meltdowns on Gaf.

I do have an American Government class in 2 hours though, so that should be very interesting.

I have my policy & politics class this afternoon. In DC.

I imagine it will be a somber class.
 
So is it now the new norm to "Grab women by the Pussy"? I mean we just elected a guy for President who bragged about sexually assaulting women. I'm still stunned how so many people were able to just brush that aside for the sake of Supreme Court picks.

Some of these commentators who are crowing on TV and blaming the media for ignoring disaffected white working class or completely ignoring how the vast majority of minorities in this country feel completely trampled on this morning because we've now made it acceptable in the the modern age to have a President make racist and sexist statements and policy proposals with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

So many of Trumps statements, ideas, and past behaviors should have been unforgivable sins. But the media is just treating this like a normal horse race with a surprise twist. Not the fact that a President got elected at the expense of overtly demeaning/demonizing minorities that hasn't been seen in the modern era.
 
Maybe this is one of those things that in 4 years, America will come out stronger? Like, we are going to beaten to a pulp for a while, but we'll heal, and come out better?

Im trying to find some silver lining here. Or is it downhill from here?

My only hope is that trump ends his presidency with a whimper. That in the end, nothing was accomplished really.
The silver lining, to me, is hoping he is a good president and leader regardless of his party affiliation.
 

Phased

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Maybe this is one of those things that in 4 years, America will come out stronger? Like, we are going to beaten to a pulp for a while, but we'll heal, and come out better?

Im trying to find some silver lining here. Or is it downhill from here?

My only hope is that trump ends his presidency with a whimper. That in the end, nothing was accomplished really.

I'm not being sarcastic or condescending when I say this, but were you old enough for Bush's two terms? Shit looked pretty grim then too, and at the end of the tunnel we got Obama.

There's always a lot of hyperbole after one side loses, no matter who it is. Emotions are high. We're going to be ok at the end of this, and in the process we're going to discover the candidate we need and deserve in 4/8 years, and it's likely the DNC will become something a lot different than it is now, which is also a good thing.
 

Plum

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I disagree, to an extent. Trump winning has potentially changed the way every presidential race in the future will be run. While he may turn out to be just as bad as many of us think he will, perhaps this was exactly what the system needed for real change.

The people protest voting for Trump got exactly what they wanted. 4 years is a long time, though, remains to see just how much damage can be done in that time.

The problem is those people protest voting have seemingly no grasp on the consequences of their own actions. To them anything bad that happens is the fault of some "other", whether that be minorities, the biased liberal media, some vague sense of "the establishment", never themselves.

When EU subsidies leave Cornwall a dried up husk of a county here in England they're not going to be asking themselves whether they're at fault, they're going to be attacking someone else for not magically making things OK. The same goes with Trump, now they've voted for him there is likely to be NOTHING that can happen that will make them blame Trump or themselves.

Denial is a hell of a drug.
 

legacyzero

Banned
The tiniest of silver linings: Trump is really going to hate the job of being president.
That's really not all.

Positives of Trump:

-Anti establishment
-ending congressional term limits
-limiting unfair lobbying
-Ending money in politics
-an outsider with a radical message

Hmmmm.. I wonder where the Bernie voters went.
 

Steel

Banned
That's really not all.

Positives of Trump:

-Anti establishment
-ending congressional term limits
-limiting unfair lobbying
-Ending money in politics
-an outsider with a radical message

Hmmmm.. I wonder where the Bernie voters went.

If you think half those things are going to happen I'm gonna have to laugh at you.

I wouldn't even say congressional term limits are a positive. It basically guarantees that no one becomes competant at politics and we get newbies every couple terms.
 

RPGCrazied

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That's really not all.

Positives of Trump:

-Anti establishment
-ending congressional term limits
-limiting unfair lobbying
-Ending money in politics
-an outsider with a radical message

Hmmmm.. I wonder where the Bernie voters went.

Newsflash, he is a liar. If you believe anything he says, well that is on you.
 

Audioboxer

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That's really not all.

Positives of Trump:

-Anti establishment
-ending congressional term limits
-limiting unfair lobbying
-Ending money in politics
-an outsider with a radical message

Hmmmm.. I wonder where the Bernie voters went.

As I just said above Americans believing just about anything spouted with charismatic reinforcement during an election cycle.

I mean, "ending money in politics" and "anti establishment". Trump? Yeah... okay.
 
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