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PS4 PRO: for best IQ (Native 4k + HDR + 60 HZ + 4:4:4) 2160p-YUV420 or 2160p-RGB?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No.
You can go into the Information option (I dont recall the exact title, but it's the last option in the video settings page) and it will tell you there whether your TV supports HDR or not.
Your settings are the same as my TV, only supports 2160p with YUV420, no RGB and no HDR either.
Mister Wolf
Member
I notice the picture is alot dimmer in hdr mode. Playing ratchet and clank on a bravia 850c. Eventually turned on adv contrast and upped color and gamma to the max and the picture looked alot better.
SDCowboy
Member
Ah, right on. Thank you!
Dzab
Member
It still doesn't get rid of the colour banding for me. KS7000 (US KS8000) no matter what combination of settings I seem to try. What set do you have?
deletethis123
Banned
Hey this might be the best place to ask. I'm getting my Pro soon and I have this monitor:
http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27UD68-W-4k-uhd-led-monitor
It says color depth is 10bit(8bit + A-FRC), so I guess it's HDR but not quite?
http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27UD68-W-4k-uhd-led-monitor
It says color depth is 10bit(8bit + A-FRC), so I guess it's HDR but not quite?
2160p RGB.
YUV 420 is for those with slightly older TVs who can't use RGB, or Samsung TVs which result in banding with the RGB option (that's a weird one, Samsung).
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Would like to point out that
was said in a recent DF video. This is not correct! lots of confusion about HDR or should I use 4:2:2 etc. I hope to clear some of this confusion up.
HDMI Specification Version 2.0 defines a number of new features which can be used with HDMI. None of the features specified in HDMI Specification Version 2.0 are mandatory, so when a product states HDMI 2.0 support, it is necessary to understand which HDMI 2.0 features the product supports; there are no features or capabilities which can be inferred simply because a product states HDMI 2.0 support.
HDMI Specification Version 2.0 features of 4K50 and 4K60 YCbCr with 4:2:0 chroma sub-sampling. The HDMI 1.4-specified modes of 4K24/25/30 in YCbCr 4:2:2 8/10/12 and 4:4:4 8-bit are also supported. MHL 3.0 with resolution up to 4K30 is also supported. In addition, the SiI9679 supports HDCP version 2.2, which is widely believed to be a requirement for use with 4K native content from most content providers.
the HDMI Specification Version 2.0 does not define the capability of 4K60 YCbCr 4:4:4 with 10-bit color. Such a format would exceed the maximum bandwidth defined in the specification. What are defined are 4K50 and 4K60 with YCbCr/RGB 4:4:4 8-bit, and YCbCr 4:2:2 8/10/12-bit, and YCbCr 4:2:0 8/10/12-bit. The 4:4:4 and 4:2:2 implementations of these modes require the full bandwidth of 18 Gbps, or 594 mcsc, defined in the HDMI Specification Version 2.0.
2160p - RGB (and setting resolution to AUTOMATIC for that matter) is 4:2:2 which is natively 12 bit, which then gets converted to 10, which causes banding. 2160p - YUV420 is what you'd want since it can bump up to 10-bit and properly display HDR10.
I'm still so confused. I have the XBR43X800D and my PS4 when set to auto goes to RGB. Should I be changing this?!? Should everything else be on auto??
I'm currently getting washed out colours in HDR. Really noticeable in Uncharted and the UI.
http://imgur.com/a/io8xi
I'm currently getting washed out colours in HDR. Really noticeable in Uncharted and the UI.
http://imgur.com/a/io8xi
It should switch to RGB if you're not playing HDR, then 4:2:2 when playing with HDR, you can check with a game running IIRC.
Have to changed any settings on the TV to enable HDR or anything?
I'm pretty sure it's always in RGB. Nah I've triple checked everything. All of the TV settings are the same in both HDR/SDR. Just looks tertible.
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[Asmodean]
Member
I think the safest bet for now, is to manually select RGB for SDR games, and YUV420 for HDR.
Unless you don't care either way, then just select YUV420. If you've been experiencing banding in HDR games (especially noticeable in sky / gradients in-game).
Native 8-bit + FRC displays will do 10-bit just fine. But not when it has to pass from 8 - > 12 -> then back to 10-bit before it's output.
I think the PS4 could learn a few things from the XBO-S display options, and allow us to specify the preferred color depth, etc. and not just "deep color"
Unless you don't care either way, then just select YUV420. If you've been experiencing banding in HDR games (especially noticeable in sky / gradients in-game).
Native 8-bit + FRC displays will do 10-bit just fine. But not when it has to pass from 8 - > 12 -> then back to 10-bit before it's output.
I think the PS4 could learn a few things from the XBO-S display options, and allow us to specify the preferred color depth, etc. and not just "deep color"
Set resolution to 2160p - RGB and leave it. The PS4 will switch it when you start using HDR.
The UI should look washed out (it is SDR content) when you have an HDR game on: its has not been mastered with HDR, so it is only natural for it to be washed out.
I only see pics of the UI in that album.
When the game enables HDR, it switches modes (without telling you) to YUV 422, a mode that you cannot force output from PS4. It only occurs when HDR is enabled.
You can check this in PS4 sound and screen, Video output settings, Video output information when you have an HDR game playing.
If playing inFAMOUS, it should read:
3840x2160 - 60Hz
YUV422
2K/4K supported
HDCP 2.2
If not, then you are doing it wrong.
Have you updated to the latest firmware? Don't trust the TV to update for you.. it will incorrectly say no updates available. Search the Samsung website for drivers, d/l it onto USB and update that way. Only certain inputs allow for HDR on that TV. also make sure you have enabled UHD colors on the TV, its a special setting.
You can, yes. If you have a Sony you have the best chance for all the handshakes to work.
EDIT: make sure you are in game mode, and have this setting in place!
"
HDMI Signal format
Enhanced 4K HDMI signal format
"
It is not a default setting, you have to dig in and change it for proper HDR
Infamous fixed for you now too?
All PS4 video settings on auto
Try turning dynamic contrast up
Put backlight at max setting
Lower brightness to around 35
Helped me a lot. Using HDMI1
guitarguy316
Member
Just to confirm, i set my color range to limited and black level low on tv?
I don't know if I can call it fixed yet, but ive tried every combination of settings, new cables, skipping my DVR, etc that I can think of.
I'm beginning to think maybe its just me. As I did more exploring in the game, sometimes it looked fantastic, other times (like the screen i posted in the other thread) it didn't look great. It seems certain angles and position of light sources make it look "bad".
I might grab last of us tomorrow and see if I feel the same way about that game as well.
From what I gather on AVS forums, the vizio P series should be handling the ps4 pro fine. Most of the users there fixed their issues by changing out cables. HDR doesn't work for the xbox one S currently, but theres a firmware update for the TVs coming specifically to fix that problem.
Heckler456
Banned
So, question. Should I buy a 4k/HDR tv now when I can only barely budget that 43 inch Sony 10-bit tv, or should I just wait a year and see what gives then?
I'm really hoping one of you guys can help me out!
Vizio P50, PS4 Pro. Color Subsampling for the port (Port 3) is on, color space set to auto, Gamma 2.2. This same HDMI cable (the one that came with the TV) and port combination transmits 4K HDR on my Roku Premiere+.
However, in Video Output settings on PS4, when I go to Resolution, 2160p RGB is "unsupported." More troubling, however, is that in Video Output Information, under HDR on your TV, it says "Only 2K Supported. Your TV might support a higher quality color format and 4K HDR if you change its settings. Check your TV's settings."
What do I need to do?!?!
Basically: What could be causing this?
Vizio P50, PS4 Pro. Color Subsampling for the port (Port 3) is on, color space set to auto, Gamma 2.2. This same HDMI cable (the one that came with the TV) and port combination transmits 4K HDR on my Roku Premiere+.
However, in Video Output settings on PS4, when I go to Resolution, 2160p RGB is "unsupported." More troubling, however, is that in Video Output Information, under HDR on your TV, it says "Only 2K Supported. Your TV might support a higher quality color format and 4K HDR if you change its settings. Check your TV's settings."
What do I need to do?!?!
Basically: What could be causing this?
All major TV brands have different settings... so we would need to know what type of TV you have.
Putting both the PS4 and the set into limited should produce a great result.
I own the 43 and love it, but I know I will be replacing it in 3 years time. If it breaks the bank, then wait. If you can afford it, then snatch it up, I am using as a gaming monitor for the pro/second monitor for iMac I love it.
I also sit less than 2 feet away, so its huuuuge
Please read my post above.. This is wrong YUV422 will cause banding as its 12 bit being converted into 10 bits.. This will cause banding as there are no 12 bit sets that do 4k commercially . For Hdr set to YUV420 for all other gaming RGB full is good. Auto uses Yuv422 not good listen guys it will cause banding no matter what.. Only Tv that it might not show such visible banding(although there) is Z9D. The Z9d has some form of 12 bit processing to help reduce banding. Bottom Line Use YUV420 For HDR gaming and Movies end of story.
Why do people think it looked better in 4 2 2 then ?
And why does Sony default to it if it looks worse ?
DJ Lushious
Member
What happens when you set your PS4 Pro video settings to all "Automatic?"
That is how I am rolling with my P65 and am having zero issues,
HDR10 is 420 so 422 does not do HDR correctly.. 422 has more info but like I stated is 12 bits being converted to 10 bits. Banding is present In hdr games just don't use it for HDR gaming or movies. HDR 10 is 4:2:0 not 4:2:2 ......
Auto will put it to YUV422 for HDR. When you have Hdr content on check Video output info and report back. You will only see banding in sky,clouds whites or like a bright sun..
Yes, I read this but I am not seeing any banding on the X800D. Have booted up inFAMOUS, TLOU, and UC4 w/HDR.
Also, the individual I had replied to is using the same set.
Do you have this set, or something else.
I would like a screenshot of banding due to 422 on the X800D.
I think only one port supports it try port # 1.
They are all on Automatic!
Just tried this; didn't work. Got my hopes up for a second there, though!
I think the Vizio line of models don't actually suffer from visible banding when the pro is set to auto and giving YUV422 (my P50 sure doesn't).
Also, currently, it's the only option for us Vizio owners if we want HDR, as YUV420 just plain doesn't work yet and results in an extremely washed out, desaturated look.
Oh and I've been inspecting every little detail, and while I've been having trouble seeing significant changes with HDR for a lot of titles, there sure as heck is no banding visible.
Your just not seeing it it's there look up in the clouds etc... HDR 10 I repeat is 4:2:0 ... Do a test that has HDR like clouds with 422 and 420 then you will see it.
Seems you are not the only one with this issue.. Dunno Might be the HDMI chip needs update. people also having issues with vizio Tvs and xbox one HDR.. Check here for more info http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...ead-uhd-hdr-dv-no-price-talk-please-1110.html
potatohead
Member
Would like to point out that
was said in a recent DF video. This is not correct! lots of confusion about HDR or should I use 4:2:2 etc. I hope to clear some of this confusion up.
HDMI Specification Version 2.0 defines a number of new features which can be used with HDMI. None of the features specified in HDMI Specification Version 2.0 are mandatory, so when a product states HDMI 2.0 support, it is necessary to understand which HDMI 2.0 features the product supports; there are no features or capabilities which can be inferred simply because a product states HDMI 2.0 support.
HDMI Specification Version 2.0 features of 4K50 and 4K60 YCbCr with 4:2:0 chroma sub-sampling. The HDMI 1.4-specified modes of 4K24/25/30 in YCbCr 4:2:2 8/10/12 and 4:4:4 8-bit are also supported. MHL 3.0 with resolution up to 4K30 is also supported. In addition, the SiI9679 supports HDCP version 2.2, which is widely believed to be a requirement for use with 4K native content from most content providers.
the HDMI Specification Version 2.0 does not define the capability of 4K60 YCbCr 4:4:4 with 10-bit color. Such a format would exceed the maximum bandwidth defined in the specification. What are defined are 4K50 and 4K60 with YCbCr/RGB 4:4:4 8-bit, and YCbCr 4:2:2 8/10/12-bit, and YCbCr 4:2:0 8/10/12-bit. The 4:4:4 and 4:2:2 implementations of these modes require the full bandwidth of 18 Gbps, or 594 mcsc, defined in the HDMI Specification Version 2.0.
2160p - RGB (and setting resolution to AUTOMATIC for that matter) is 4:2:2 which is natively 12 bit, which then gets converted to 10, which causes banding. 2160p - YUV420 is what you'd want since it can bump up to 10-bit and properly display HDR10.
Thanks fam
ahhh the reason might be 12 bit processing the tv has for dolby vision. could be helping and may explain why you can't see banding.. Good dithering will help eliminate that. I assume this as Tv has 12 bit processing for dolby vision HDR. some people just don't see or know what banding is.. I would have to test that set myself..
DJ Lushious
Member
Seriously you guys need to stop this.. For proper HDR YUV420 must be selected HDR is 4:2:0 Chroma not 4:2:2 . Whats not to understand? Don't be lazy people switch it for HDR content if you care about image quality and accuracy ..
DJ Lushious
Member
Do a factory reset of your P50's settings.
You're connecting straight to the P50 from your PS4 Pro, right?
Yes, but 4:2:2 is a 12 bit signal. Most HDR TVs will only have 10 bit panels. The P series I think do the 12 required for Dolby Vision??
Odd to me that the Pro would send a 4:2:2 signal to displays that can only do 4:2:0.
Listen HDR is done in 4:2:0 10 bits, due to bandwidth limitations. HDR 10 in the future with new ports and increased bandwidth could support 422 or 444 properly. For now HDR 10 is 4:2:0 . Vizio Sets are acting strange with HDR10 on both Xbox One S and Ps4 pro..
Exactly it should be doing either 4:2:0 @ 10 bits or 4:4:4 @ 8 bits. Dolby vision does 12 bit processing panel is not 12 bit though. New Sony does some 12 bit processing(panel is 10 bit) too this helps eliminate dithering/Banding..
Just took 2 screenshots uncharted 4, on the beach staring straight into the sun.
one 422, another 420. No banding in either shot. I sit less than 2 feet away and its quite clear. smooth color gradients at high luminance.
Right here it shows that 10 bit 422 would fit within HDMI 2.0 bandwidth limitations.
DJ Lushious
Member
No, seriously, you need to stop this. You are spreading misinformation, in addition to insulting people.
Read this.
Where do you get that 4:2:2 is 12-bit only?
The P-Series is 10-bit, not 12-bit. I don't believe there is any 12-bit content, Dolby Vision or otherwise. If the P-Series would to get a 12-bit signal, though, it'll downsample, same as any other UHDTV.
It's not about lazy or not. The PRO will pick the highest IQ possible If you have automatic on.