TheInternetNomad
Member
Anyone have a sony xbr x700d? When playing the last of us, I noticed i said it can only output in 2k with hdr. I really wanted to see the game in 4k.. does my TV not support 4k hdr?
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PS4 PRO: for best IQ (Native 4k + HDR + 60 HZ + 4:4:4) 2160p-YUV420 or 2160p-RGB?
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Thats seems to be a 4K HDR set.
Make sure you are in game mode, and have this setting in place!
"
HDMI Signal format
Enhanced 4K HDMI signal format
"
It is not a default setting, you have to dig in and change it for proper HDR
And you need to be in HDMI input 2 or 3
Sorry, what I mean is, 4:2:2 in the HDMI 2.0 spec is only available on 12 bit. I don't know why. 4:2:2 should be possible in there but its not in the HDMI 2.0 spec.
The chart on the last page and the other chart in this thread both say that HDMI 2.0 can do 4:2:0 or 4:4:4 or RGB at 8 bit, only 4:2:0 at 10 bit, 4:20 and 4:2:2 at 12 bit.
And this chart clearly shows otherwise.
No. Read the key at the bottom. Only bolded items are part of the 2.0 spec.
4:2:0, 4:4:4 and RBG at 8 bit 4k60
4:2:0 at 10 bit 4k60
4:2:0 and 4:2:2 at 12 bit 4k60.
As I said, I don't know why 4:2:2 wasn't an option for 10 bit since its clearly possible to do. But they didn't do it.
I don't even remember what we are talking about other that the HDMI 2.0 spec lol.
TheInternetNomad
Member
Thank you. I have it hooked up to the first HDMI port, I'll try changing it tomorrow.
DJ Lushious
Member
More misinformation. It is only 4:2:0 that the P-Series is bugged.
What?!
Right, and for whatever reason DeeBatch is telling people to not set their Pros to Automatic.
FalsettoVibe
Member
This thread is so confusing.
422 is not required to be supported to be HDMI 2.0 compliant, but it is does meet the bandwidth limitations, meaning if the source and sink can decode it properly, there is nothing really preventing it from working.
Absolutely.
All I've said is that its not "supported" in the HDMI 2.0 spec. That might mean some TVs don't play well with it. I don't know.
As I said, when I get my tv I'll try both and see what I see.
But surely as it's backward compatable with 1.4 spec it would still work over 2.0?
Dolby vision processing is 12 bits not the panel. Here is the White paper http://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-vision/dolby-vision-white-paper.pdf
Not trying to insult anyone. Hdr10 is 4:2:0 this is the standard that 4k hdr is delivered in. What is going on with gaming I don't know as it should be 4:2:0 . Ps4 pro does not play HDR content Via streaming yet. This will say much when we can check the video info when set to automatic. HDR is a big huge mess in gaming right now.. Only 3 titles do it good.. Forza Horizon 3, Gears of war 4 and Ratchet and Clank. I hear good things about BF1 but have not tried it in HDR yet. My Number one complaint with Hdr gaming is they are not using REC2020. I would like to know if any Ps4 pro games will support WCG of HDR.
Sony is all over the place with HDR. The Ps4 Vanilla does a worse job than the pro.. I am sure that real HDMI 2.0A port helps this.. Some games are still dark though. The games On Ps4 pro right now are not made with hdr they were tacked on and it shows.. Last of us looks pretty good in Hdr. Ratchet and clank I thought did HDR excellent. The pro shows off this game.
Movie HDR looks way better than gaming HDR right now. This is due to WCG(rec2020) the colours are just so much better. Anyways for any HDR video content check and make sure it's 4:2:0. For HDR gaming if you have banding switch to 420 also for accurate hdr10 switch to YUV420.
Stealthcobra
Member
I don't know what alot of this stuff means but this thread helped... My Samsung 50ju7100 looks great...
HDMI 1.4 supported 4:2:2, but it didn't support 4k60
I genuinely don't know. I'm just looking at "supported" charts.
ahhh, gotcha.
I have to say i have left all mine on auto on my KS7000 and not noticed any banding.
Got questions for you.
For somebody that does not have a 4k TV yet.
Do you recommend waiting a bit for HDR to settle and become more unified among brands, and to maybe use proper WCG % and what not ? If not, what TV would you recommend, that handles colors and HDR well without gigantic amount of input delay ?
Do you think an adapter would allow the ps4 Pro to support good HDR/update once the standard is refined or is the console stillborn in that regard ?
We will have to agree to agree then.
Ahh, that just the thing. 1.4 did support 4K resolutions. It also added a 'data channel' which is why PS4 can output HDR without HDMI 2.0.
HDR is still in the early adopter phase, so if you are not comfortable with that, then wait.
Next years TV's will not have full WCG (Rec2020) either, Maybe 2 years out, the highest end sets we will see it.
In no way shape or form is the PS4 Pro stillborn in any regard. It is capable of outputting HDR10, and not a single 4K HDR set on the market is capable of meeting the full spec (there are a very few that meet all minimum spec, like the KS8000) in terms of peak brightness and WCG. Don't expect this to move too quickly, either. UHD disc only support 10-bit 420.
EDIT: of course, this is my speculations.
People can set it to whatever.. Just make sure its's 4:2:0 if you want accurate reproduction of HDR 10 for movies and shows.. HDR10 is spec'd graded to 4:2:0 chroma why would you want it at anything else.
Check and see 4k blurays @ 4:2:0 on Xbox ones or Samsung bluray player.. There maybe some issues with handshake between Ps4 pro and Vizio.. Vizio is not playing Xbox one s Hdr properly either some people have issues.
Yes wait till Jan @ CES Samsung is releasing New Quantum dots panels with new tech. They will reach 98% of Rec 2020(many other Tv's will have high % in 2017 too) and HDR10 will get Dynamic metadata . Also some rumblings about HDMI 2.1 but unknown if HW or software update. 2017 is good year to get HDR all should be stable.. This years Samsung sets though will get Dynamic Metadata update reported by Samsung.
Fine, be like that
Didn't think it did 4k60 though?
yup yup, here is a nice history of HDMI standards, for people who enjoy this sort of thing. And no, it can do 4K 60, just 24 for movies, maybe 30
http://denon.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/192/~/differences-between-hdmi-versions-1.1,-1.2,-1.3a,-1.4-and-2.0%3F
For movies, yes. We haven't heard from Naughty Dog or Sucker Punch or anyone else how they have mastered their HDR.
Lets wait and hear it from the horses mouth before we make up our minds.
Thats what they claim, lets see if they can create a panel larger than 40 inches. we will see.
Under video settings in Ps4 you can check info.
That to me looks like it says 1.4 supported 4k, but doesn;t mention anything about 60fps until 2.0.
I would like to hear something on this too.. No details on HDR on Pro games Devs need to tell us the 411.. Digital Foundry I challenge you to get the answers and analyze the state of HDR on PS4 and Ps4 pro. Compare how you find HDR gaming bettween Ps4/Ps4 pro and Xbox One S. Find how both compare to HDR movies..
Kamina
Golden Boy
it only says
Resolution 3840 x 2160 - 60 Hz
Colour Format RBG
HDR on Your TV Not Supported
HDCP 1.4
Hdmi 1.4 supports 4k @ 8 bits and 30 fps
Dynamic metadata is something similar used by Dobly Vision (but at 12 bits) if I understand ?
What does it mean concretely with the ps4pro ? Will the console bottleneck the new TVs ?
I already bought the console anyway, just waiting for the TV now. I'm not rich by any mean so I'd rather wait for something competent. Knowing that there is always something better on the horizon, but I want a minimum here in terms of render with blacks, colors, and hdr. I'm used to high quality PC monitor so not worth getting a bad TV over it even with current hdr.
Interesting though ! Thanks for the info.
What Tv do you have ?
right. no 4K 60, it is 4K 24 fps for movies. It may be capable of 30.
I had yup duped at 4K, I did not read your response thoroughly.
Yes Dynamic metadata is what Dolby uses. They helped the UHD alliance and actually gave them Dynamic metadata. DOlby Vision kept proprietary tone mapping though.
No the Ps4 Pro will Do HDR fine it has HDMI 2.0A no bottleneck. Dynamic metadata should be just a software update. Samsung said this years tv will get update and they all have hdmi 2.0a ports.
Kamina
Golden Boy
A Samsung HU7200
The product details tell me it has 4:4:4 as well as HDCP 2.2
I've already set the HDMI port the PS4 uses to "UHD Colour Mode"
This is likely true, but will devs implement dynamic metadata in games? That has yet to be done. My hunch is that they will stick with static metadata to ensure highest compatibility between sets.
I seriously doubt they will master in both static and dynamic metadata.
Dynamic metadata would need to determined frame by frame, I understand how that works for a video, but not for a game.
Possibly, it becomes object based? really not sure.
Only hdmi port 1 supports it.. Pretty sure its only one port on that Tv.. Try all. I have tested that Tv it does hdr.. Lets trouble shoot now.. switch to hdmi 1 turn uhd colour on then turn off tv if it does not automatically also reboot console.
Dynamic metadata is the best way.. It knows what sets capabilities are and scales hdr accordingly on scene to scene frame to frame basis.. This is a better way no doubt about it. They have this built into physical based rendering thats how I think they get Dynamic hdr in gaming.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Thanks for the help
I'm already on HDMI1 with UHD Colour
I now rebooted everything
Next Port?
Do i have to edit the Name of the Port to achieve an effect? I know setting it to PC for example locks some Picture settings.
Thanks for the help
I'm already on HDMI1 with UHD Colour
I now rebooted everything
Next Port?
Oh I am so sorry bro some reason I thought Ju... No you have to buy this SEK 3500u(One Connect Box) This will give you new video processors,scalers Octa core cpu and 4 HDMI 2.0A ports.. I Have HU8700 and use same box u get HDR.. You can get here http://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...3500u-one-connect-evolution-kit-sek-3500u-za/
or
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00V9Z6392/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Make sure to do a evolution kit back up b4 you install One connect box.
Kamina
Golden Boy
No Hu7200 has no hdmi 2.0 ports. A new Tv cost much more than 399 to upgrade ur current set to HDR.. The option is there or you just have to get another Tv if you want 4k and HDR.
Wait.... You can get HDR on your TV by getting a new CPU or whatever those evo box are ???
That's amazing but... how does that work exactly ? What if your panels are 8 bit ? It's limited to some TVs I assume ?
Hu panels are actually 10 bits.. One connect works on all HU samsung models. The box overrides the Tvs processors and becomes the brain and HW. The box has the HDMI ports and chips and of course video processing to handle HDR.. Yes it is pretty amazing..
Kamina
Golden Boy
The information i find on google contradict that though.
HU7100 and 7200 are mentioned to have 2.0
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1407840413
Edit: dont really care about HDR so much, i thoght 4:4:4 was something different?
When I set output to 2160p 4:2:0 I get 2160p 4:2:0 12bit in all games regardless if they are HDR or not. When I set it to auto I get 2160p RGB in games and 2160p 4:2:2 8bit in HDR games. 2160p 4:2:2 8bit seems to be a strange choice for HDR so I will probably keep mine on 4:2:0 12bit in everything instead.
How are you determining the bit depth?
Yeh good question, I noticed that on rgb and auto setting the hdr games are 422. It did seem to me that forcing 420 was better.
I am not getting any banding with 422 or 420. I would give a very slight edge to the 422, unless that is just placebo effect.
Unrelated note:
During an HDR game, the PS4 ignores the setting of RGB range (limited/full) and outputs limited. You can validate this your self by forcing full on the TV. You will see the picture is washed out while in full and perfect in limited.
I don't think I get the banding either with 422. So I don't really know if it's better then 420 for me. It seems that 422 is kinda badish if I set colour space (tv) in 'native' instead of auto? I'm really no expert in this though.
I agree that on non RGB the ps4 setting limited/full does nothing. Actually it is the same for my TV setting. The 'hdmi black level' setting (used for limited/full) is not even available on my TV when it is on non RGB.
Try setting the color space to Rec 2020. That should be accurate for HDR games.
byron_hinson
Member
What TV do you have
The wider color setting is the 'Native' setting it seems. I guess that the 'auto' setting should enable it on HDR content and disable it on SDR because I read it can have a negative effect on SDR content. I also read, even on this forum, about a recent TV firmware bugfix around these 2 settings. Supposedly you had to use Native before and on the new firmware you have to use auto. I guess auto just didn't work properly before so you had to force Native on HDR content, but I didn't find the details about this yet.
@Byron
UEJS8500 (so not the US JS8500)