Oooooooh, wonder what this is?
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TLOU PRO Patch 1.08 - Supersampling removed from all modes [Up: New DF video]
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Oooooooh, wonder what this is?
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For the most part i agree with you but you mention "free update" and that's what i find a bit ridiculous to be honest, so do you expect people that got a PRO to get charged for console support updates? It's as if someone bought a better graphics card for their pc and in order to use better settings they would have to pay
Finale Fireworker
Member
Man, did you lose an avatar bet or is that thing sincere?
On topic, I was really looking forward to seeing LoU super-sampled and I hope this is something that is reinstated. I know they probably don't want too many options that would confuse the ordinary player and middle the point of a "Pro Mode" with various degrees of improvement, but if I could play the same exact game with better IQ I would probably choose that in most cases.
What a bummer.
I think that some official words by ND could quiet the anger.
They could explain their legit reasons for this move, or they could announce now a future patch to fix the thing. Communication is always the best.
Negotiator
Member
ND is busy with plenty of things:
1) UC4 MP roadmap
2) Lost Legacy
3) TLOU2
They don't have time for proper optimization, so they ditched supersampling. It is what it is.
1) UC4 MP roadmap
2) Lost Legacy
3) TLOU2
They don't have time for proper optimization, so they ditched supersampling. It is what it is.
Melchiah
Member
All the Pro updates are free, and people bought the system for the better visual quality they offered. Taking them away afterwards sets a worrying precedent for the Pro owners who have a 1080p display.
You said this about the 4K/30fps mode on the DF thread...
...and now you say the loss of supersampling is an equivalent of "a bit of extra shimmering and esoteric shit". Like you said, it validated your Pro purchase, and removing it invalidates it for others. I guess you managed to play the game through before the downgrade patch, unlike some of us.
RPGCrazied
Member
Why? So just stick with the PS3 version then? Just add the option to turn off or on supersampling in how you want the performance to be. Just don't take shit away.
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
Melchiah
Member
Well, it looks like I'm not buying TLG then. If you can play it at 1900p on 4K displays, you should be able to play it with supersampling on 1080p displays, since the framerate drops don't stop the former from being there. I've got a strong distaste for how the 4K owners are catered above others, and how they're changing their strategy regarding visual improvements on 1080p displays. It looks like the TLOU precedent is becoming a practise. If I had known that beforehand, I might have passed on buying the Pro.
Me too. Supersampling was a God mode on a 1080p TV, and now they are forcing people to buy 4K TV. This is the truth.
dmix90
Member
Hell no!
Not closed.
Bring downsampling back. Give me a fucking choice. Do not take away advertised features.
In their defense i can only assume that they are preparing an option in next firmware update to choose 2160p in system settings on a regular 1080p screen so it will be a system wide downsampling and will eliminate one way of a possible fuckup from incompetent developers( Dishonored 2 ). They need to communicate though if that's the case. Right now it's absolutely unacceptable.
I'm with you. But I'm thinking that they want to sell 4k TV. Bad feelings...
Negotiator
Member
Are people going to ask for 8K supersampling when 4K becomes the new standard? Just curious...
dmix90
Member
Why not? Anything to reduce jaggies is good in my book.
RPGCrazied
Member
Did the regular PS4 version have supersampling at 30fps?
Doubt it
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Yeah, let's not close this case so easily. It's a dumbfuck decision wherever it's coming from. It unreasonably favours 4K TV owners giving them a choice that is missing from 1080p owners? Why exactly? People should be asking Yoshida about this. I personally still think that ND simply screwed this up, and TLG is the game where they decided not to offer any visual options, but in case that there really is some mandated way of handling this, it was clearly the wrong one.
In case of last guardian there should also be an option to run the game in something like 1440p which would give perfect, or near perfect framerate, while still offering some downsampling. I'm really dumbfounded as to how much they are mishandling all of this right now.
RPGCrazied
Member
Did it have any AA? Then I can't complain, I don't have a Pro. Still though, should be an option to please both parties.
Yes please. People should ask him about the issue.
Sony must give an official answer to this. They could plan a new firmware release to free developers from this thing.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
TLOU:R had the same post process AA in both the 30FPS and 60FPS mode on the original PS4. The only difference in visuals were the shadows really. The AA used was OK, but nothing remotely as good as the AA solution they now have in UC4, so supersampling was very welcome.
Lagspike_exe
Member
Yeah, 8K to 4K downsampling is going to be so rad in 2027. when we get consoles with 3 Titan X Volta SLI grunt.
except this isn't just some shitty game by some shitty developer. this is a sony game by naughty dog. if they themselves are saying its fine and dandy to bait and switch, then who's saying others won't follow?
sony are supposed to be selling this thing and persuading people to upgrade, the notion of playing last of us with zero jaggies might have been the persuasion people where looking for, the sole reason for them to upgrade and throw down $400. and now you're telling people to just lay back and accept the fact they just said "fuck you, have the baseline PS4 experience back and deal with it"?
this is false advertising, and for them to then go back to edit out any mention of supersampling in their promotional materials for their pro mode just makes it all the more insulting.
if this is a bug, fix it. if it isn't, add the options back in so we can decide for ourselves what we consider to be more important to the experience.
what they've done is give us a pair of glasses so we can see the world with clarity and then stomp on them a few weeks later. free pro upgrade or not, it's bullshit.
ForeverRed
Neo Member
I've submitted a complaint to the Advertising Standards Authority in the UK. It's simply not acceptable to remove advertised features like this.
I bought a PS4 as a direct result of the improvements touted in this blog post as TLOU is one of my all time favourites games:
https://blog.eu.playstation.com/201...-4-and-the-last-of-us-remastered-for-ps4-pro/
That quote is unequivocal as to the visual improvements offered by a PS4 Pro.
I bought a PS4 as a direct result of the improvements touted in this blog post as TLOU is one of my all time favourites games:
https://blog.eu.playstation.com/201...-4-and-the-last-of-us-remastered-for-ps4-pro/
That quote is unequivocal as to the visual improvements offered by a PS4 Pro.
holygeesus
Banned
I honestly don't think Sony realise people are buying the Pro for super-sampling reasons, if they own a 1080p display. Your average man on the street is going to see the games playing smoother and think that is of more benefit than IQ improvement.
Not saying it is right, and there should be more options. Perhaps they just really want people to buy a 4K set?
Not saying it is right, and there should be more options. Perhaps they just really want people to buy a 4K set?
This is ironic because the whole reason we don't get 60fps games is that studies have shown the average person can't tell framerates and just wants the best looking image,
Yesterday they edited that note here:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/11/10/uncharted-4-and-the-last-of-us-remastered-on-ps4-pro/
Yesterday I put this in the first post.
But you found an other article! Nice!
holygeesus
Banned
I guess then it depends on who represents the biggest market for the Pro? I'm sure the more casual gamer will buy the cheaper Slim. The Pro is surely more of a niche or premium product?
I think that's his point. People could have bought the game or a Pro for that reason. They shouldn't retroactively remove a feature they advertised like that.
How when the patch was a free upgrade to begin with? how do you get a refund for something that was free?
Ah ok, now I understand. It's the same article but that is EU Blog. They edited the US BLOG, but not the european.
DOWN
Banned
Many people bought the game for the first time due to the announcement of the Pro enhancements for 1080p users. It also was a factor for many people in buying the Pro model itself.
I think he means a refund for the hardware.
RedAssedApe
Banned
class action time guys.
RedAssedApe
Banned
just to be clear i was joking lol
Clockwork
Member
If they bought a PS4 Pro for The Last Of Us patch for super sampled 1080P and feel that it's not worth owning anymore they still have time to return the PS4 Pro but honestly it would be silly to do so because most likely this is something that will be fixed.
PS4 Pro hasn't been out over 30 days so anyone who want a refund should be able to get a refund anyway.
RedAssedApe
Banned
also most major retailers (at least in the US) have extended return periods starting Nov. 1. If you REALLY want to return you Pro you likely have through some date in January to do it.
Melchiah
Member
Thumbs up. Hopefully this will get things fixed.
RedAssedApe
Banned
on that note i do wish we had better consumer protection laws here in the US.
DOWN
Banned
Besides the fact that it's pretty lame to say Sony is chill for downgrading one of their Pro headliners after release and despite you making the broad and general assumption that people can still return their Pro no matter where they bought it-
what about people who bought The Last of Us for its Pro advertised features and visuals that have been removed?
This saddens me too to be honest. I have the pro but have only been able to try out ratchet and clank since holidays mean I work a lot more hours. I really wanted to see the difference in a game I already beat on ps3, and ps4 og. Deflates my want to play it for a 3rd time on the pro, especially since I just bought a ton of games during black friday. I guess I should quickly find out which games have decent pro upgrades that I have already played so I can see where this "upgraded" system is giving me benefits. Ratchet and clank and doom look great as games but since I only have had them since I got the pro I have no idea if and what has changed for the pro.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
They need to put supersampling back in and admit it was a mistake to choose to remove it.
Never said it was chill I'm saying it happened to fix the problem of the game dropping to a lower framerate in unlocked frame rate mode on PS4 Pro than it does on PS4, they didn't take it away for fun it's a part of a fix for 1080P owners who felt like they had a worse game on PS4 Pro than others had on PS4, this patch made the game run better on PS4 Pro for 1080P owners. they did it to satisfy the people who complained about the game running worse on PS4 Pro. They will most likely also fix this to satisfy the people who want super sampling.