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some guy leaked FFXV's story six months ago | up: newer 4chan stuff as of Dec 9th

PtM

Banned
We need something from Nomura himself.
I'm good. Point is, ghost Stella could still easily top Luna, couldn't she? For starters, she'd have a locational advantage. :p

… Oh yeah, I didn't mean playable with "protag", either!
 

Kyoufu

Member
The thing about FFXV's marketing is that the Omen trailer feels like it's from a different game to me.

As does the Dawn stuff and the Insomnia invasion trailer. I don't understand.
 

Arkeband

Banned
That reminds me DQ6 had the
was dead the whole time with Ashlynn, though you could figure it out since her name translate to, burnt to ash....

Also doesn't DQ6 have an abusive backstory with
Miley
?

Wait, what the fuck?

And her name was Barbara, Ashlynn was the localization team getting wacky again.

Here's a gamefaqs link that has NPC dialogue that shows what you're saying isn't true:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/942424-dragon-quest-vi-realms-of-revelation/60104396
 
The thing about FFXV's marketing is that the Omen trailer feels like it's from a different game to me.

As does the Dawn stuff and the Insomnia invasion trailer. I don't understand.
Looks like Omean was Final Fantasy Versus XV 😂

I agree about Dawn trailer but what Invasion trailer?
 

Ray Down

Banned
The thing about FFXV's marketing is that the Omen trailer feels like it's from a different game to me.

As does the Dawn stuff and the Insomnia invasion trailer. I don't understand.

Leaker comments on this a bit:

In my opinion, the only problem with the development process is that we didn't have time and sometimes we spent development time creating stuff that wasn't part of the actual game just for promotional material. I understand that it needs to be done for the PR team.

That and bits and pieces of content getting removed doesn't help.
 

jimmypython

Member
Not only did we not get Versus, we also didn't get a complete Tabata and friends' vision either lol.....

SE upper management represented by CEO Matsuda was the the dev and consumer's super boss after all,

quite literally:

Qmhc.jpg


LOL
 

Ray Down

Banned
Not only did we not get Versus, we also didn't get a complete Tabata and friends' vision either lol.....

SE upper management represented by CEO Matsuda was the the dev and consumer's super boss after all,

quite literally:

Qmhc.jpg


LOL

He was Ardyn all along!

Make him true final boss Tabata!
 

Ray Down

Banned
Leaker also confirmed porting to console process was a bitch similar to the story leak:

I didn't solve any problem per se, but the porting to console system process got on my nerves.

Teams thoughts on 13:

They respect the game and I haven't heard anything bad about the game other than it disappointed the fans and that some of the design choices were very questionable.
 

Ray Down

Banned
Maybe having Noctis fighting Matsuda was Tabata trying to fight aganist upper mangament

Dat meta narrative.

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER!
 

jimmypython

Member
Maybe having Noctis fighting Matsuda was Tabata trying to fight aganist upper mangament

Dat meta narrative.

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER!

and every player will be able to beat the shit out of him too - the best thing Tabata has done for the entire FFXV project.


The scene of Ashe meeting the Occuria comes to mind rn

The change in tone when the Occuria start getting pissed at her is jusT

the Occuria arc had such a great potential for a proper XII-2.
 

Ray Down

Banned
and every player will be able to beat the shit out of him too - the best thing Tabata has done for the entire FFXV project.

Well they have to add it as DLC first, they only said they are considering releasing it.

For all this meta narrative, Kojima would be proud.
 

LordKano

Member
The game didn't receive disappointing reviews. 84 is not disappointing. Actually the same leaker says that the team is satisfied with the game reception.

Pure, unadulterated revisionist history right there!

I guess if you tell a lie enough times, it becomes true for certain people.

Hoy, the notion of disappointment is subjective. I think it was received poor with a lot of unusually low scores for a brand such a Final Fantasy. Y'all need to chill down every time someone isn't crying of joy about every little thing in your game.
 

Ishida

Banned
Hoy, the notion of disappointment is subjective. I think it was received poor with a lot of unusually low scores for a brand such a Final Fantasy. Y'all need to chill down every time someone isn't crying of joy about every little thing in your game.

People calling you out on fake statements don't need to "chill out" just because you don't like it. ;)
 
This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQqiiZkZv3Q

And yeah they shoehorned a portion of the Omen trailer as a dream but it was extremely pointless. It served no purpose. I feel like they did it to increase the number of cutscenes in the game.
This trailer just adds more credence to the development rumor as it shows very early assets and also reuses the Invasion from Versus with old assets and all.

The game really had a short development window of 3 years and even at the end of 2015, changes were still being made as evident with the whole Dawn trailer.

P.S None of this concerns me as I am satisfied with what I got. I loved every moment of it. Of course, I am also as curious as the next guy over what was changed.
 

Pygrus

Member
Hoy, the notion of disappointment is subjective. I think it was received poor with a lot of unusually low scores for a brand such a Final Fantasy. Y'all need to chill down every time someone isn't crying of joy about every little thing in your game.

soooooo, you are just choosing to ignore all the high reviews that game has gotten? Much more positive scores then negative ones.
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
The narrative changing from "This game still retains Versus' heart and soul and we want to please fans who have been there since the game got announced" to "yeah Versus and XV are different things guys stop asking" from one ATR to another lol
And then it was both
 

bigol

Member
Hoy, the notion of disappointment is subjective. I think it was received poor with a lot of unusually low scores for a brand such a Final Fantasy. Y'all need to chill down every time someone isn't crying of joy about every little thing in your game.

You wrote like you made your idea of disappointment as an universal truth. That is just your opinion. Well, it's yours and other's people too, but generally speaking the game was not received as a disappointment by reviewers.
 

LordKano

Member
It is useless to argue with him. He is honestly a troll that is trying too hard to claim that FF is dead, XV is terrible and a failure.

Just use the ignore button like I did.

Can't say I remember ever exchanging a word with you.

soooooo, you are just choosing to ignore all the high reviews that game has gotten? Much more positive scores then negative ones.

How are you getting the conclusion that "I'm ignoring positive reviews" from what I said ? I'm saying that the overall reviews were disappointed because under what I expected from Final Fantasy. Having a labeled "good score" doesn't necessarily mean that it is automatically a great reception. If the next Zelda had the same kind of scores, it would be fucking disappointing.

Again, opening a dictionnary and looking at the words "subjectivity", "opinion" and "disappointment" may enlight some people.

You wrote like you made your idea of disappointment as an universal truth. That is just your opinion. Well, it's yours and other's people too, but generally speaking the game was not received as a disappointment by reviewers.

Well, sorry for not adding "In my honest and purely personal opinion please don't attack me I'm only expressing what I feel" before every one of my post.
 

brad-t

Member
I would say it's fair to say the game received disappointing reviews for a Final Fantasy game. Even though the game scored well, pretty much every review mentioned that the story is a mess. I don't think the scores most reviewers gave the game lined up to the text in most cases, but that's obviously my own subjective interpretation as well.

Not like it really matters historically when you look at the scores FF13 received.
 

Gbraga

Member
This is a very poor design decision for an RPG, though. The story is so threadbare and disjointed in XV that some of the stuff in 'optional' interactions should actually *not* be optional, but rather delivered d so the average player can understand what the hell's going on. As it stands many people will miss these details that explain some of the plot mysteries or ambiguities and disengage from the experience entirely. I know I certainly did.

I think that's your problem. I really can't agree that it's a poor design decision to reward the player for paying attention and exploring.

I'll totally agree, as I already said, that the game needed more cutscenes in the mandatory path, but I'm completely against making some of the optional stuff mandatory and calling it a day. Either add more stuff for the main quest and don't touch the optional stuff, or don't do anything.

EDIT: I also feel strongly about one having to actually understand how the story is being told in order to say it's done in a bad way. You don't have to like it, but if you don't even know how the story is being told, I don't think you're qualified to judge the storytelling as a whole.

It's like people saying Bloodborne doesn't have a story just because they weren't able to follow. I actually have a friend going through his first playthrough of Bloodborne right now, all I told him was "read item descriptions and pay attention, same as Dark Souls", and every time he comes to talk to me about the lore, he's mostly coming to the same conclusions as I did. Because it's there and it's solid, but people will miss it and blame the game.

Similarly, I'm still stunned they thought it was a reasonable idea to put major plot details and character info/development in a film and anime series that only a tiny percentage of buyers will actually watch. The story needs to drive the player to engage with and complete a story-focused experience like an RPG, and as such everything you need to understand and feel involved with the story *should be in the actual game*. It's not rocket science, they've done it in other FFs. Even FF13 did it better, though they made the same mistake of putting important story/lore info in optional log entries rather than involving the player in it directly.

I won't disagree with you here. Even if they did it in the laziest way possible. The anime is free, for example, so they're not really losing anything by including them as is into the game. Even if just as an unlockable, like, you reach a certain point and get a pop up saying you can watch Brotherhood Episode X from the Title Screen. It's already something.

I won't agree that it HAD to be there as part of the game, though. I don't think anyone, even back in the Nomura days, ever expected to see things like fat Prompto starting a died and exercising to get closer to the prince, who in turn never felt differently about him. It's just a touching little moment that really feels more like it's adding on top of that world instead of taking from the game to make an anime.

The movie, though? Yeah, for sure.

Pro tip, S-E: optional content in an open-world game should contain extra flavour and background info which is *also* optional, not anything essential to following the story or immersing yourself in the game world! Linear games can get away with putting essential stuff in logs, etc., but those bits should be on the critical path through the game and players should be clear that they're important and should be read/heard/viewed (see System Shock 2, Doom 3, etc.).

I really like their open world design here, and I'm not a big fan of open world games, so I definitely disagree, and I'm glad they went the route they did.

Another game that won't give you all the information in the form of a mandatory cutscene but people have zero issues with, on the contrary, they absolutely love that world and story, is Nier.

I'm not trying to compare them in quality, but I've even seen people with Nier avatars complaining that they need to read some short item descriptions and stuff like that to better understand the story, saying it's bad storytelling.

Maybe it's my memory, but I don't recall the Gestalt project and its connection to Drakengard being spoonfed to me at all. And I love it.

The worst was Tabata deliberately grabbing for the Versus crowd with that Jump Festa 2015 trailer with all that old invasion footage.

A lot of the early parts of the game seem to be reworked, if you rewatch the TGS 2014 and Jump Festa 2015 trailers, so I'm assuming they did have the original scenes as part of the game at some point, before deciding to remove all of it and make Kingsglaive instead.

Noctis as part of the invasion was already long gone by then, but it was probably featured in the game in the form of CGI cutscenes reusing stuff from Versus.

Then Nozue had his brilliant idea of making a separate movie with it >_>

Thanks, Nozue and Square-Enix.

EDIT: And Tabata, of course. It definitely had his blessing.

Hhhnnnnggg, Noctis and Cor taking revenge on Drautos would have been amazing!
But now impossible to insert in the game. I would be satisfyied if they made Verstael recovering Glauca's body and armour and turning it into some sort of Magitek zombie and let it fight with Noct in Gralea.

Damn, that would be amazing! I was really hoping Glauca would be a boss fight in the final game. Even if there was no meaningful story setup. Loqi didn't either other than "we know general Loqi was seen at this base multiple times" as foreshadowing for the fight, and it's fine. No one really cared.

I really really wish we could fight Glauca. It would be one hell of a fight.
 
The worst was Tabata deliberately grabbing for the Versus crowd with that Jump Festa 2015 trailer with all that old invasion footage.
Actually the Jump Festa 2015 trailer was released in December 2014, which was after a long absence.

There is the GAF thread here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=955924

Don't forget that this trailer was released after the TGS 2014 trailer, which still had Nomura's name attached even though he left it way before the trailer :p

Final Fantasy XV TGS 2014 Trailer | Lord Nomura giveth us His only Son so we may live

It is funny to look at the thread title and see how many people were gushing over Nomura creating such an awe-inspiring trailer. lol.

The game was also around 55-60% complete as per the director back in late 2014.
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
Er, the TGS 2014 trailer was part of the reveal that Tabata took over. Nomura had nothing to do with it.

Tabata was in charge of that Jump Festa trailer.
 

Gbraga

Member
Yeah, the leak that got almost everything right even mentioned that the E3 2013 trailer, while directed by Nomura and based on his version of the game, was just to keep the hype alive, and Tabata was already changing everything at that point in the actual game.

You even have statements like this back then that didn't really mean much, other than "Tabata is the co-director" but now can be seen under a different light, when you consider that the leak was legit:

Tetsuya Nomura: (...)In the future campaign and until the game is out, Tabata-san himself will be going to speak in front of you guys more often so please ask him in details when he’s available.

http://www.finaland.com/?rub=site&page=news&id=4865
 
People joke about Ito being demoted to janitor - is there any reason to believe Ito has been deliberately ostracized by Square-Enix and isn't just personally wary of taking on a large-scale project again as Matsuno is?

If I recall correctly Ito said in one of his final interviews that he would like to expand the battle system of FFXII because it still had room for improvement.
 

AwShucks

Member
The thing about FFXV's marketing is that the Omen trailer feels like it's from a different game to me.

As does the Dawn stuff and the Insomnia invasion trailer. I don't understand.

What the fuck. I never watched Omen trailer until now. It makes no sense in the context of the game. And the funny thing is there is a scene in there that they showed in the game and never came back to, which now remembering makes no fucking sense. Ugh.

Dawn, while not having any scenes in the game, isn't nearly as disconnected.
 

Mesoian

Member
How are you getting the conclusion that "I'm ignoring positive reviews" from what I said ? I'm saying that the overall reviews were disappointed because under what I expected from Final Fantasy. Having a labeled "good score" doesn't necessarily mean that it is automatically a great reception. If the next Zelda had the same kind of scores, it would be fucking disappointing.

Are you one of these 8.8 people?
 
Er, the TGS 2014 trailer was part of the reveal that Tabata took over. Nomura had nothing to do with it.

Tabata was in charge of that Jump Festa trailer.
I am saying that at that time, we really had no idea who was doing what. Beside, if I go back and look at it, I think it was one of the best trailer to come out of FFXV, surpassing even E3 2013 for me. So if that was Tabata's work, color me surprised.

The trailer also showed visuals that were completely changed so the scope likely was downgraded.
 

jimmypython

Member
What the fuck. I never watched Omen trailer until now. It makes no sense in the context of the game. And the funny thing is there is a scene in there that they showed in the game and never came back to, which now remembering makes no fucking sense. Ugh.

Dawn, while not having any scenes in the game, isn't nearly as disconnected.

The nightmare where they inserted part of the omen trailer was so LOL. They didn't even choose the correct part. Not showing Luna in that is just beyond me.
 

AwShucks

Member
The nightmare where they inserted part of the omen trailer was so LOL. They didn't even choose the correct part. Not showing Luna in that is just beyond me.

I remember watching the scene with my wife and saying something like "he must be seeing what's going to happen later in the game or something." I totally forgot about that scene by the end of the game until seeing the Omen trailer just now.
 
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