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Do you think Microsoft will ever win a generation in sales?
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Apparently it's hard to believe for some (Americans), but many people around the world aren't exactly fond of Microsoft.
Title is "do you think Microsoft will ever win a generation in sales"
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Possibly, but they have a shit ton of work to do outside of the US.
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Jawmuncher
Member
When Nintendo and Microsoft team up.
Yes.. again, I never said console sales didn't matter. I said that there's more to the business than winning/being #1 and mentioned Nintendo's huge drop as an example.
LukasTaves
Member
They might not have the most units sold last gen, but I doubt anyone made near as much money as them.
360 was a software monster, when the hardware sales gained a lot of traction they managed to increase the price with Kinect, and they had Xbox live bringing 2 bi in revenue per year.
I have a feeling that even ps4 can't keep up with the software sales of 360. Back them it felt like many many games exploded and surpassed the 5 million mark.
360 was a software monster, when the hardware sales gained a lot of traction they managed to increase the price with Kinect, and they had Xbox live bringing 2 bi in revenue per year.
I have a feeling that even ps4 can't keep up with the software sales of 360. Back them it felt like many many games exploded and surpassed the 5 million mark.
Or a simpler, less malicious reason. If you're not American, it's your only viable choice.
GHG
Member
Are you sure about this?
https://www.engadget.com/2007/07/20/xbox-division-has-1-9-billion-loss-blame-red-rings/
LukasTaves
Member
Last gen the difference from ps3 to Xbox in Europe was much much much much smaller than the difference between 360 to ps3 in the usa. They lost basically everything with xbone but why are we pretending they never had a fighting chance?
SenjutsuSage
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It's not really all that important if they do. As long as the business is showcasing good, steady growth year over year and is making, rather than losing, money, I think they will be perfectly fine with not winning an entire generation. And, personally, I think the Xbox 360 more or less got the benefit of such almost as if it had against the PS3. By the time the PS3 eventually took the lead, I don't think it really did much to undermine the mindshare gained by xbox.
damn dude
Yeah.. and he mentioned the PS5 considering the fact that the industry is moving towards more digital compatibility compared to how things were 2+ years ago. It would definitely be a major disappointment if the PS5 didn't have it though I don't think MS would catch up in overall/worldwide sales due to it.
LukasTaves
Member
Uno Venova
Banned
No, they won't. And since it's obvious they care about leading the industry, watching some try to downplay the importance of that because it's not happening for them is amusing.
No? PS3 doubled 360 in Europe.
That's wonderful!!
ambar_hitman
Member
Except USA they can't beat Sony. So no, never.
CarbonFire
Member
Their best shot was this gen, and they threw it all away due to out-of-touch managers chasing fads, underestimating their competition and severely misunderstanding their market. It will require another "FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE US DOLLARS" moment to give them even a glimpse of another shot at that brass ring.
No one is downplaying anything. People are simply saying that it doesn't matter long term as long as they can continue on getting support from major companies that people play games from. What I personally find amusing is how serious console sales discussions have become here to the point in which people feel the need to make snarky "subtweet-like" posts.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Sure if Scorpio is $199 and more powerful than the PS4 Pro. In other words, no.
OnionPowder
Member
You got sources for that?
Uno Venova
Banned
There have been people in this very thread saying what I've just said, if you didn't that's fine but you don't need to speak for the whole thread.
And umm yeah sure I'm taking this super seriously.
MikeE21286
Member
Not with Play anywhere
I think they have strategically given up on winning on hardware
I think they have strategically given up on winning on hardware
FeenixRising
Banned
Kind of an odd thread to have a meltdown in
GHG
Member
Can you point me to some data to back this up? Because I've looked and all in an find are articles stating that they have been making losses.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says
Bottom line most people buy a new generation of consoles to play a New generation of games. BC is a Cool feature but it won't determine a winner of a generation.
I agree that many don't care but this is a bad example in my opinion. Those systems came out at a different time.
I personally feel that BC is far more expected now thanks to iterative consoles and companies pushing digital compatibility and purchase access. Many would view the PS5 not having BC whenever it releases as far more disappointing than the PS4 not having it back in 2013/2014.
Not if they can't penitrate the Japanese and surrounding southeast Asia markets like Nintendo and Sony can.
Really, if you look at all the numbers the 360 was very close to the PS3 and that was with selling less than 100k in Japan.
The Xbox brand is actually just as strong if not stronger than Playstation in NA, UK and some parts of Europe. But in Asia it might as well not even exist.
Really, if you look at all the numbers the 360 was very close to the PS3 and that was with selling less than 100k in Japan.
The Xbox brand is actually just as strong if not stronger than Playstation in NA, UK and some parts of Europe. But in Asia it might as well not even exist.
I understood that reference.
GHG
Member
Yep, BC will become imperative from an ecosystem user retention point of view.
I'm not saying I have proof, I'm asking him for proof. The article I posted is an example of one of many that I found stating that they were making a loss. If he can show me evidence to the contrary it would be appreciated, if not we are going to have to assume they were indeed making a loss because there is no smoke without fire when it comes to things like this.
I don't care about Sony in this context either, I never mentioned them, it's irrelevant.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Not at all likely when they are a non-entity in Japan and only really popular in North America and the UK.
That was pretty common when Wii totally didn't win last generation.
DriftingSpirit
Member
I just think BC is something that can help what you've got going on. It isn't the type of thing to considerably diminish what you have if you don't have it. It is similar to the UHD situation. MS benefits from it but Sony isn't notably losing out by not having it.
I'm pretty sure Nintendo made more money considering they sold over 250 million units of hardware and made a profit on all of them.
I definitely agree. I just feel that the backlash of not having backwards compatibility is going to be far greater/louder from here on out.
GHG
Member
As the lines become blurred from a generational standpoint it becomes increasingly important, especially as more and more users are shifting towards digital.
Imagine if everytime there was an iPhone/iPad refresh everyone had to start from scratch from a software perspective. Do you think that Apple would still maintain the ability to retain over 80% of their userbase if they did this?
This is the direction we are heading in in the console space and if the manufacturers want to "lock in" large proportions of their current active userbases then that's the best way to go about it.
I hope not.
Their vision has always been to conquer the living room. It seems like their decisions are greatly influenced by corporate, and they have other ideas besides gaming.
Halo was never a thing outside the West. I cant believe it was in some list as one of the most influential games the past 20 years or something like that. Id never even heard of Halo until I emigrated to the West.
Xbox does not have games like Gran Turismo or Mario - games that transcend culture and regions. The brand doesn't have any defining qualities. Look at how no one even talks about Gears 4 or Halo 5 anymore. Gears 4 is a flagship title and it is nowhere in any GOTY list.
Who knows.
Their vision has always been to conquer the living room. It seems like their decisions are greatly influenced by corporate, and they have other ideas besides gaming.
Halo was never a thing outside the West. I cant believe it was in some list as one of the most influential games the past 20 years or something like that. Id never even heard of Halo until I emigrated to the West.
Xbox does not have games like Gran Turismo or Mario - games that transcend culture and regions. The brand doesn't have any defining qualities. Look at how no one even talks about Gears 4 or Halo 5 anymore. Gears 4 is a flagship title and it is nowhere in any GOTY list.
Who knows.