Would be really sad if it didn't. I mean not outsell XBOne + Scorpio, perhaps. Not outsell Scorpio only...well, I guess Scorpio might be more of a reset than Pro, but it is still going to be a luxury console for high-end XBox users. If Switch can't beat that...we are in a terrible world for gaming.
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Do you think Microsoft will ever win a generation in sales?
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Would be really sad if it didn't. I mean not outsell XBOne + Scorpio, perhaps. Not outsell Scorpio only...well, I guess Scorpio might be more of a reset than Pro, but it is still going to be a luxury console for high-end XBox users. If Switch can't beat that...we are in a terrible world for gaming.
Crankshaft
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Microsoft won the world with windows. Just make windows the "xbox console". Dell or alienware can sell pc's that hit a certain spec and can be xbox official to play xbox games.
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Bitch Pudding
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I think Amy Hood disagrees.
Wrap it up folks, the Xbox 360 won last gen according to superfan Genio88.
I have noticed that people forget that neither the Xbox 360 nor the PS3 won generation 7: The Wii won it by an absolute landslide.
Slangblade
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I get what you are saying, but I'm saying it's not something we need to have in consoles. Like I said it's cool feature but it's way overblown. I want to play new experiences. That's why we buy new consoles. Backwards compatibility should very little influence when deciding to but a new consoles.
Slangblade
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I couldn't have said this better myself
If they make the best console with the best games, they will. They came close last gen, but dropped the ball a third of the way through the gen. They still did well though.
If they can hit the ball out of the park like they nearly did for software in early 360 gen, I think they'd win, yeah.
People saying the brand isn't strong enough are neglecting that the brand depends on the strength of their offering. The brand can be built up. Microsoft has the resources to do it. The videogame landscape is pretty unstable and in constant turmoil though, especially these days, so it's much harder to shake things up in a predictable way.
But it also means their competition is on shaky ground at all times.
If they can hit the ball out of the park like they nearly did for software in early 360 gen, I think they'd win, yeah.
People saying the brand isn't strong enough are neglecting that the brand depends on the strength of their offering. The brand can be built up. Microsoft has the resources to do it. The videogame landscape is pretty unstable and in constant turmoil though, especially these days, so it's much harder to shake things up in a predictable way.
But it also means their competition is on shaky ground at all times.
curiouscharles
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any company can overtake any other company if they deliver the right product, at the right time, in the right way.
yeah, sony would have to fuck up huge, and MS really hit it out of the park, but it's not like things we all said were impossible didn't happen in 2016 already...
yeah, sony would have to fuck up huge, and MS really hit it out of the park, but it's not like things we all said were impossible didn't happen in 2016 already...
Well, they won it by sprinting out of the gates. But in hindsight, because they ended so early, it won't look like a landslide, with a difference on the numbers 2 and 3 of less than 15 million. Compared to the 125 million PS2 gap, the 70 million PS1 gap or the 70 million DS gap.
FinaruDensetsu
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But they've never won or even gotten close in the PC games market...
OrbitalBeard
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I think it will, unless Japan rejects Switch as a portable. I feel Switch only needs to be a moderate success globally to overtake XB1.
Will MS ever win a gen?
In the US? Maybe.
Worldwide? lol.
But in reality, I doubt we'll see future consoles from MS in the traditional sense.
The writing is on the wall that MS have shifted Xbox to be their games platform, not their console platform. It really wouldn't surprise me if the Xbox One is their last proper console. Like it makes perfect sense that Nintendo have finally unified their handheld and console platforms and teams, it seems likely that the next Xbox hardware will be a PC in a console form factor. And that console 'gens' for them will be a thing of the past, with different SKUs of their 'console' being different spec'd PCs, but all running the same OS and playing the same games.
In the US? Maybe.
Worldwide? lol.
But in reality, I doubt we'll see future consoles from MS in the traditional sense.
The writing is on the wall that MS have shifted Xbox to be their games platform, not their console platform. It really wouldn't surprise me if the Xbox One is their last proper console. Like it makes perfect sense that Nintendo have finally unified their handheld and console platforms and teams, it seems likely that the next Xbox hardware will be a PC in a console form factor. And that console 'gens' for them will be a thing of the past, with different SKUs of their 'console' being different spec'd PCs, but all running the same OS and playing the same games.
lol this gen's been tough for some.
somecrazymember
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Lol that's bait
isaacnukem
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Yes. Nothing is set in stone.
You completely missed the point. Forward compatibility is more than likely going to be the trend. The Xbox Scorpio and PS5 versions of games will more than likely be visually better versions of Xbox One/PS4/PS4 Pro games. If someone bought a game on their older console, then they will have a newer console's version for free if they bought that console's successor.
Example: I bought The Last Of Us, Ratchet and Clank, and Uncharted on my original PS4. I now have visually better versions of all of those games for free because I replaced the PS4 with the PS4 Pro. This is different from typical backwards compatibility.
Okay? Still doesn't mean that BC hasn't helped Xbox One sales. The logic that something doesn't help a product's sales because that product doesn't instantly jump to a #1 position is pretty flawed and shortsighted.
This is also flawed. I again, never said that BC has been a big game changer this gen and honestly don't know why you are responding to me as if I did say this. On top of this, why would people buy the 360 versions of games if they already own those 360 games? This is also disregarding the fact that there's a digital store with these titles.
You guys keep on using past examples to try and negate my point in that compatibility is going to mean more when the new consoles release. Very flawed considering the changes that are happening this gen; Changes that weren't there back in 2013/2014.
I can't believe that you don't see how consoles are changing and how companies are setting themselves up for future compatibility, therefore causing consumers to expect the same as time progresses. You keep on clinging to examples from 2013/2014 as if things haven't changed since then. It's very shortsighted.
You are completely missing the point again and constantly showing that you aren't reading what I actually say.
Again, based on the way consoles are heading, the "next gen" versions of games will be nothing more than PS4/Xbox One games with more visual features. EVERY game should be backwards compatibile -- not like the Xbox One where only some 360 games can be played. ALL Xbox One games on the Scorpio will be backwards compatible.
If someone buys a AAA Xbox One game a few months before the Scorpio releases (whether first party or third party), then chances are that game will be visually better on the Scorpio. Instead of a person needing to buy a separate $60 Scorpio version of that game, the person will have the Scorpio version for free since that game is saved in their digital library/profile. This is very different from 360 backwards compatibility.
So yes, if one console lets people get "next gen" versions of games for free for simply owning the older console's version and the other console doesn't have that, then many people will definitely feel that's a major difference. Especially the more "mainstream gamers" that don't buy many games per year and mainly play AAA titles.
Again, I'm not saying playing last gen versions of games on your new gen console. I'm saying being able to play new gen versions of games because you bought them already on your last gen console. It seems that the industry is heading in this direction. As I said before though, if one box lets people do this, and the other doesn't then yeah -- I definitely think that will be a pretty big deal. I don't see how anyone (including you) could disagree.
"This console lets me play next gen versions of shooters and sports games I own for free due to me buying them on my older console? I don't have to spend $60 for each? No brainer."
I mean, if you think there will be no hub-bub from spending money on two versions of Battlefield, Call of Duty, FIFA, NBA, etc. when another console will transfer that older version over for them and make it "new gen" for free then I don't know what more to say.
But nobody in their right mind would choose the Windows store over Steam for games. It doesn't matter how many Windows licenses they sell, the games sales on their platform are rock bottom. Given the choice between buying a UWP game and not being able to play it at all, PC gamers say "no thanks, let me know when you decide to put it on Steam, I can wait".
The Xbox platform will never morph entirely into a PC-esque platform with no defined generations and no set specs. They will have officially lost the plot if they attempt to do that.
Honestly not sure, I mean don't get me wrong I loved the 360 and the Xbox One, but Sony's Playstation brand is really strong and even without the terrible reveal and initial PR I don't think Microsoft could've ever bagged this gen simply because there'd be still a ton of people that'd buy Playstation out of brand loyalty. At the very least it would've been more competitive but even then Sony would've pulled ahead by simply having a better library.
I really like the market Microsoft plays ball in, Halo's great, Forza's great, but it goes without saying there's a lot of other markets Xbox simply is neglecting in favor of going for what they know will work with their own audience, and that is what sets Sony apart from them. Core example being that people buy Playstations for Japanese games, and stuff like Final Fantasy XV's sales show that.
In my opinion, the only way Microsoft could win a gen is if Sony makes as bad as the Xbox One reveal and Nintendo managed to pull off a second WiiU, and capitalize by decorating their library that appeals to people outside of their core demographic to entice more people to buy their console instead. However, even then it'd be arguable if the brand strength of Sony or Nintendo wouldn't manage to carry them through their dark times still and have them rebound after a while.
I really like the market Microsoft plays ball in, Halo's great, Forza's great, but it goes without saying there's a lot of other markets Xbox simply is neglecting in favor of going for what they know will work with their own audience, and that is what sets Sony apart from them. Core example being that people buy Playstations for Japanese games, and stuff like Final Fantasy XV's sales show that.
In my opinion, the only way Microsoft could win a gen is if Sony makes as bad as the Xbox One reveal and Nintendo managed to pull off a second WiiU, and capitalize by decorating their library that appeals to people outside of their core demographic to entice more people to buy their console instead. However, even then it'd be arguable if the brand strength of Sony or Nintendo wouldn't manage to carry them through their dark times still and have them rebound after a while.
I doubt it. I mean, sure anything can happen but I can't see it.
Also on the topic of BC I expect PS5 to be fully BC with PS4 and for some people to say, "We love PS4 games on PS5! PS3 games on PS4 are the ones we didn't want". BC is a dope feature and I wish my PS4 had it. I don't own an XB1.
Also on the topic of BC I expect PS5 to be fully BC with PS4 and for some people to say, "We love PS4 games on PS5! PS3 games on PS4 are the ones we didn't want". BC is a dope feature and I wish my PS4 had it. I don't own an XB1.
Bear Force One
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Worldwide? Zero chance.
Yeah I don't see why that would change. If anything I would predict domination as Sony is riding a 50 million console wave and will have a year headstart and STILL be more of a worldwide brand. Not shitting on MS but reality is reality.
Primethius
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How much are people expecting Scorpio to sell?
Because I'm having a hard time seeing a scenario where it outdoes the Pro and that didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Switch should also fairly easily defeat the XB1 in sales.
Because I'm having a hard time seeing a scenario where it outdoes the Pro and that didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Switch should also fairly easily defeat the XB1 in sales.
Bear Force One
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Under no circumstances.
Scorpio or overall XB1 sales? I can't see it beating overall XB1 sales at all considering Nintendo's current position when it comes to third party support and online multiplayer gaming.
It depends entirely on Microsoft's strategy. If they do what Sony did with the Pro, it will flop massively. There aren't enough dedicated Xbox fans out there to get many upgraders and nobody wanted the OG Xbox One at $400-500.
It needs to be a proper event with a shedload of marketing behind it, games launching alongside it and for it to give the impression that next gen is starting early, getting a head start on Sony and the PS5 while still preserving compatibility with the old machine. This is IMO, what they will do because they are doomed if it's positioned as just a more powerful Xbox One.
Gunslinger
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While Xbox one lost to ps4 I can see Scorpio defeating the pro if marketed correctly.
texhnolyze
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Well, they don't really need to. Windows 10 keys are sold for $120 each and there are billions of PCs out there.
Slangblade
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Is the industry heading that way? I fully expect Sony to release a PS5 and those games won't be compatible with PS4. Nintendo has already done that with the Switch. Microsoft is the only one that's pushing that.
However that doesn't help the Xbox division. PC users aren't buying XBL memberships either.
family_guy
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Maybe, but if you look at PS4 Pro, maybe like 20-30 titles were updated out of the over 1000 titles available. Devs aren't going back to update old titles for the most part. They have enough work to do on new games. It's rather different from PC where devs don't have to push out a new update to support new GPUs that come out years later.
If you are counting Scorpio as a new gen to support your claims then the ps4pro has already done this "BC" you're talking about so what's the MS advantage going forward?
Honestly, can't see Scorpio beating pro coming a year later against destiny 2, rdr 2, star wars bundles. Maybeeeeeee in the US if they come in at 399 but that is a big maybe.
GravityInsanity
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The Mad Draklor
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Well, the reasons the Switch won't be BC with Wii U games are because (1) it'll use a different type of physical medium and (2) Nintendo is going from PowerPC to Tegra.
I think the PS5 will be BC with PS4 games since there's no way Sony will not use x86 again. The PS5 and PS4 both using x86 will make BC much easier.
Slangblade
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I agree. But I'm talking about new generation of consoles. The PS5 should be BC with PS4. PS5 games will be completely new and won't work on PS4. It seam Sony wants to keep doing generations while Microsoft wants to do away generations completely.
There's Nothing even anecdotal to Show BC helped Xbox. When it was announced and months after the sales between Ps4 and X1 stayed the Same.
For example when the S released that clearly helped Xbox sell better. There's actual stuff to prove that fact. Is there anything you can show me to show BC helped Xbox in any way?
he's questioning if PS5 games will work on PS4
ArkhamFantasy
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PS3 started selling better after they took BC away. I love BC but most dont care enough to make it choose one console over another.
And if that's the case then Microsoft will be in a solid position in my opinion. Some of the very early Xbox One/PS4 cross-gen games were ports.
One console having $60 ports and the other having those ports for free via digital compatibility would be a big difference. It would be surprising if one console had this and the other didn't. It would seem that this move would have to be agreed upon across the board/industry -- hence why I would be completely shocked if the PS5 didn't have compatibility. It's going to be an interesting transition either way though.
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I definitely agree that the majority of games won't get updated. I do think it's safe to assume that AAA games that release 3-4 months before a console's release will get updates for that console though; Updates that would make releasing a separate version for that new console (a la NBA 2K14, Madden NFL 25, Battlefield 4, Call of Duty Ghosts) completely pointless. This would possibly help launch sales for these games too since there were definitely people that held off on getting 360/PS3 versions of games in 2013 due to XB1/PS4 coming right around the corner.
I can't see what we are seeing though with the Xbox One in terms of Xbox 360 compatibility happening again. Compatibility will be there from the get go with every game being playable. Some games though (as I stated above/earlier) will get patches that will make them appear "next gen" when you play them on the new console.
I'm not the one saying the PS5 won't be backwards compatible. I definitely think it will be and would be surprised if it wasn't. I'm simply saying that it would be a pretty big deal if the PS5 wasn't after the recent moves of the PS4 Pro and Sony's recent digital service moves with Playstation. Sony and (more so) MS are setting up expectations for many gamers right now in terms of compatibility. If compability isn't there with new console models in (say) 2020+ then I'm positive that the criticism will be far greater than it was back in 2013 for the Xbox One and PS4 not having it.
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This is flawed. You say this as if XB1 sales couldn't have been lower. I'm not sure why "helping sales" needs to automatically mean beating the competition instead of simply creating more interest in your product from people that don't own it yet.
Why did the S help Xbox sell better though? You agree that it's due to features that aren't tracked right? So I'm wrong for stating that a feature that people are obviously using is helping Xbox sales but it's fine to bring up S helping Xbox sales without any mention of improvements about the S that are pretty much based on personal interests (style, 4K Blu-Ray, size)? I think this is pretty flawed.
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This is an example from almost 10 years ago though before digital compatibility was even really a major feature/trait in technology.
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In North America, yes but worldwide, no.
Bobby Steel
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Sony gonna have to have Samsung Note problems with the Playstation
If PS5 doesnt have the same compatibility as PS4/Pro, they will be in trouble. I dont think that it won't but stating that if they dont it matter is really shortsighted. When we usually get next gen consoles we barely have anything to play, maybe 1 or 2 games... and not anything worthwhile for months or a year from buying the console. If your console could get some "free" upgrades (ones without patches) to existing games that were designed for the "current-gen" console that you already own vs a console that starts over... it's pretty obvious which console people would choose more likely.