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Nintendo Switch accessories (Hori/Officially licensed by Nintendo)

From what we seen yes, but that means to get the full experience (granted the Wii U version was flawd in this aspect) you would need two consoles and two copies of the game. With the Wii U version you just need one copy of the game to enjoy multiplayer adequately. Pokken on Switch in docked mode means players looking at the TV with split screen perspectives.
Yeah they will probably drop local multiplayer off one copy. Proper Splatoon local multiplayer had the same issue on the Wii U. I bet a ton of games will end up doing this and just doing multiple switch local multiplayer. If Hyrule Warriors gets ported it will also have the same issue for co-op.
 
That doesn't answer my question although I understand your point. But to call it niche I'd expect 1-3% usage compared to say 30% usage hardwired. Just throwing it out there if Steam has this information published since they can collect a lot of data on their users.

I think Steam is a good indicator here due to laptops and desktop usage.

It'll be a hell of a lot closer to 1-3% than 30%
 

Xdrive05

Member
This thing will probably be very breakable too, what with that internal fan and all that. I mean people break their phones all the time just by dropping them, and phones have no moving parts.

I wonder if they designed some kind of internal rubber padding to shock proof it, or something like that? Kids are gonna fuck this thing up royally.
 

Buggy Loop

Member
Lol, the threads we'll have on friday after the presentation.

"Switch less powerful than PS4 Pro, 720p, no ethernet port, no 500>GB of storage...
IN 2017?"
 

MADGAME

Member
lmfao, glad I saw that. Great minds think alike friend ;). But let's be honest though, it isn't gonna happen brethren. At least we got Dolphin I guess..... but it just isn't the same.

Can't disagree with anything you said, unfortunately!
 

bman94

Member
Fair enough. Isn't Pokken supposed to have a fairly barebones single player mode? I guess it'll be a Crystal Chronicles type of situation.

The Single Player isn't really barebones in terms of content. It's an glorified arcade mode with a little of story thrown in but it does a great job of difficulty scaling and gives you a good amount of practice of the mechanics. Unlocking accessories and titlea are fun too.

Yeah they will probably drop local multiplayer off one copy. Proper Splatoon local multiplayer had the same issue on the Wii U. I bet a ton of games will end up doing this and just doing multiple switch local multiplayer. If Hyrule Warriors gets ported it will also have the same issue for co-op.

They can fuck off then. A fighting game with no local multiplayer is a waste of space and effort.
 

Pancake Mix

Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Not about to defend not having Ethernet access built in. I've never used Wi-Fi on PS4. Ethernet is really preferable, especially if you're playing online titles.
 

sanstesy

Member
Please point me to where I was justifying having it? My question was genuine curiosity from the niche labeling. I even said its not a big deal to me.

No one here is labeling ethernet port usage on computers as niche. The niche labeling in this thread is only applied on anything other than personal computers.

I have no problem with genuine curiosity but it's kind of off-topic to what this whole thread is discussing.
 

mr.beers

Member
I've had near flawless experiences with wireless playing rocket league only issues I've ever had were when my isp were actually down.
 

Soroc

Member
It'll be a hell of a lot closer to 1-3% than 30%

It probably is, I just like seeing real data on it. Unfortunately maybe the fact Cisco doesn't even have a comparison between ethernet vs wifi in their updated white paper is a major indicator of your niche labeling. (The older white papers used to compare the 2, with a forecast of wifi overtaking ethernet in 2015). The new white paper seems to only compare fixed internet vs mobile internet, which isn't the same thing.

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/visual-networking-index-vni/complete-white-paper-c11-481360.html

No one here is labeling ethernet port usage on computers as niche. The niche labeling in this thread is only applied on anything other than personal computers.

I have no problem with genuine curiosity but it's kind of off-topic to what this whole thread is discussing.

You are right that its off topic, I'll stop discussing it here.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
No one here is labeling ethernet port usage on computers niche. The niche labeling in this thread is only applied on anything other than personal computers.

But almost most devices that hook to your tv have ethernet? So people calling it niche makes no sense. If ethernet port was so niche than why hasn't anyone who makes these stop putting them in them?

Amazon, apple, roku, even hard drive companies are not adding ethernet ports to their regular desktop external drives.
 

Matt

Member
But almost most devices that hook to your tv have ethernet? So people calling it niche makes no sense. If ethernet port was so niche than why hasn't anyone who makes these stop putting them in them?

Amazon, apple, roku, even hard drive companies are not adding ethernet ports to their regular desktop external drives.
The best selling versions of those streaming devices (Chromecast, Amazon Fire Stick, Roku Stick) don't have Ethernet.
 
Ethernet chat: I honestly can't see Nintendo saving much more than a couple yen per unit by omitting an Ethernet port. That said, I'd imagine Nintendo (and Hori) would make quite noticeably more money by making Ethernet adaptors for the few people who are willing to pay the extra money for the improved internet performance that a wired connection grants. Plus, there's precedent to consider (literally every Nintendo console with online capabilities required an adaptor if you want to plug an ethernet cable into it).

In short: it's blatant profiteering that few people will care about (because for 99% of people, 5Gz Wi-fi is more than enough). That said, it's substantially less of a issue than when the Wii pulled the same trick.
 

sanstesy

Member
But almost most devices that hook to your tv have ethernet? So people calling it niche makes no sense. If ethernet port was so niche than why hasn't anyone who makes these stop putting them in them?

Amazon, apple, roku, even hard drive companies are not adding ethernet ports to their regular desktop external drives.

Apple devices that previously had ethernet ports just got them removed in their latest version.

And again, most of these devices that even have a ethernet port you are mentioning are used for streaming as one of their main hooks.
 

ZeroX03

Banned
Ethernet chat: I honestly can't see Nintendo saving much more than a couple yen per unit by omitting an Ethernet port. That said, I'd imagine Nintendo (and Hori) would make quite noticeably more money by making Ethernet adaptors for the few people who are willing to pay the extra money for the improved internet performance that a wired connection grants. Plus, there's precedent to consider (literally every Nintendo console with online capabilities required an adaptor if you want to plug an ethernet cable into it).

In short: it's blatant profiteering that few people will care about (because for 99% of people, 5Gz Wi-fi is more than enough).

Profiteering off Ethernet adapters is one of the stupidest conspiracy theories around. It's like all the people saying adapter sales were the reason that headphone jacks were omitted in the iPhone 7. They don't make that much money off adapters. Especially not when Nintendo's last two consoles let you use any ethernet adapter you'd like and weren't proprietary.

Stop it. Just stop. It's not about big adapter money. Stop stop stop stop stop

The arcade stick is likely for Street Fighter 5 and Tekken 7. Those are the most likely based on past support and timing. I'd say that odds favor Tekken over Street Fighter, but I surmise that both are coming at some point.

It ain't SFV
 

L Thammy

Member
Wait, Why wouldn't the Switch support local multi-player? I mean, I'd be shocked if it didn't support multiple controllers

The issue is not that it wouldn't support local multiplayer at all, but that it might require two consoles and probably two games.

Speaking of which, I wonder if Switch games would be too large to pull off single cart multiplayer a la (3)DS.
 
Of course it does.
But why would anyone even be speculating that a game on the system lacks local multi-player or would require multiple Switches?

The issue is not that it wouldn't support local multiplayer at all, but that it might require two consoles and probably two games.

Speaking of which, I wonder if Switch games would be too large to pull off single cart multiplayer a la (3)DS.
That sounds rather unlikely to me. It's more likely that you should be fine if you have multiple controllers. Only if you're lacking that would you need to have multiple Switches with multiple game copies
 
Profiteering off Ethernet adapters is one of the stupidest conspiracy theories around. It's like all the people saying adapter sales were the reason that headphone jacks were omitted in the iPhone 7. They don't make that much money off adapters. Especially not when Nintendo's last two consoles let you use any ethernet adapter you'd like and weren't proprietary.

Stop it. Just stop. It's not about big adapter money. Stop stop stop stop stop

Honestly? If Nintendo didn't think they would profit from making ethernet adapters, they wouldn't make them. Ditto Apple and their many, many dongles.
 

zelas

Member
Lol, the threads we'll have on friday after the presentation.

"Switch less powerful than PS4 Pro, 720p, no ethernet port, no 500>GB of storage...
IN 2017?"

Yeah let's laugh consumers for hoping Nintendo would produce a home console with features they want.
 

bman94

Member
Wait, Why wouldn't the Switch support local multi-player? I mean, I'd be shocked if it didn't support multiple controllers

He's suggesting that in order to have local multiplayer on those games you would need more than one Switch to make that work. I'm saying if you can't do local multiplayer without an additional console for a fighting game then that defeats the purpose of local multiplayer.
 
The issue is not that it wouldn't support local multiplayer at all, but that it might require two consoles and probably two games.

Speaking of which, I wonder if Switch games would be too large to pull off single cart multiplayer a la (3)DS.

I'd imagine some games could in theory stream necessary data over local WiFi as and when needed if Nintendo allowed it
 
He's suggesting that in order to have local multiplayer on those games you would need more than one Switch to make that work. I'm saying if you can't do local multiplayer without an additional console for a fighting game then that defeats the purpose of local multiplayer.
No way that's happening. I doubt Nintendo's newest console will prevent you from just using multiple controllers
 

ZeroX03

Banned
But why would anyone even be speculating that a game on the system lacks local multi-player or would require multiple Switches?

Pokken requires two screens for multi. Wii U had that, Switch doesn't. It's just a Pokken thing.

Honestly? If Nintendo didn't think they would profit from making ethernet adapters, they wouldn't make them. Ditto Apple and their many, many dongles.

The profit is minuscule, and this isn't even directly from Nintendo, it's a third party. Apple's money from adapters isn't even half a percent of their earnings. It's next to nothing for them.
 

LordRaptor

Member
Profiteering off Ethernet adapters is one of the stupidest conspiracy theories around.

And when there aren't many to be found because nobody at any stage considered wired internet dongles anything more than a niche product, "artificial scarcity"


...IN 2017
 
Honestly? If Nintendo didn't think they would profit from making ethernet adapters, they wouldn't make them. Ditto Apple and their many, many dongles.

Nintendo will profit from them but the amount will be peanuts (especially with them being non proprietary) and probably less than the profit they'll make from not including ethernet in the console
 
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