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[Sanctuary]

I like how you picked his list because it was smaller lol

Actually, I saw it first, and the longer list was actually easy to Google in a whole 3s, which I ended up doing before seeing it anyway. However, some of those aren't even JRPGs in the first place. So many people are like a) Is it from Japan? b) Does it have stats? c) Does it have some kind of anime look? Okay then it's a JRPG!

He also didn't reply to my comment about games that are going to be even be released outside of Japan, and if so, how long? Having a huge list of games being developed for the PS4 means nothing until they are actually out.

How many games do you expect in what isn't a huge genre anymore?

I don't! That was actually my point anyway. I don't see where this huge flood is supposed to be.

 

["D"]

I'm going to go against the popular sentiment in this thread and say if done right, a first party RPG could do great sales wise. There's so many damn consoles out there and big RPGs have been selling well. An exclusive that has a wide appeal theme and fun combat system could grab some players that don't like, or try much of the current offerings.

I agree. Love the game or hate it, FFXV did just this. It brought new people in that hadn't care or played a Final Fantasy before...most of the newcomers talk about the combat and graphics. Only difference is it wasn't an exclusive

I know quite a few people, even some "dudebros" that actually thought about picking up FFXV or actually did it based on what they saw

 

[Primethius]

Seriously. Have you seen a hotter take today?

Usually I expect a single hot take from Doc on a Sony matter. Today I got two for one deal. I'm impressed.

 

[butman]

Third parties do the job this time.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Also as other people noted Japan studio have already been helping From Software for a long time with their JRPG output, and i would assume Sony has some part in Nioh as well.

 

[Holundrian]

Agree with a lot of what's been said already. That said my dream would be Sony trying to build a small/mid budget JRPG and try to grow it to AAA.
I feel like trying to compete with FF right of the bat seems to be a recipe for disaster.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I got to ask, who cares whether it's first-party or not?

Atlus is going to bring out Persona 5 exclusively to Playstation platforms.
Level-5 is bringing Ni No Kuni 2 exclusively to PS4.

Both are without a doubt AAA releases in JRPG terms and you can't play them anywhere else. Sony has no real need to invest in this niche genre at all. Third parties are all on their side.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Actually, I saw it first, and the longer list was actually easy to Google in a whole 3s, which I ended up doing before seeing it anyway. However, some of those aren't even JRPGs in the first place. So many people are like a) Is it from Japan? b) Does it have stats? c) Does it have some kind of anime look? Okay then it's a JRPG!

He also didn't reply to my comment about games that are going to be even be released outside of Japan, and if so, how long? Having a huge list of games being developed for the PS4 means nothing until they are actually out.

All the ones on his list are for 2017 in the west
except dq11

 

[Eumi]

Nintendo platforms & PC gaming would like to disagree with you on that.

A pc is not a console. Wii U has some stellar stuff though. But it's on the way out.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Isn't a Bloodborne sequel in development?

according to who? verendus?

 

[onemanasylum]

Actually, I saw it first, and the longer list was actually easy to Google in a whole 3s, which I ended up doing before seeing it anyway. However, some of those aren't even JRPGs in the first place. So many people are like a) Is it from Japan? b) Does it have stats? c) Does it have some kind of anime look? Okay then it's a JRPG!

He also didn't reply to my comment about games that are going to be even be released outside of Japan, and if so, how long? Having a huge list of games being developed for the PS4 means nothing until they are actually out.

If you are just going to downplay anything there is no point talking to you...it is a niche genre at this point, there is about as many games as you will ever see coming this year in the genre.

Also this is about JRPG's coming out, no one said anything about already out, stop moving goal posts.

Also, all those are coming to the west.....

 

[Lord of Ostia]

I'm going to go against the popular sentiment in this thread and say if done right, a first party RPG could do great sales wise. There's so many damn consoles out there and big RPGs have been selling well. An exclusive that has a wide appeal theme and fun combat system could grab some players that don't like, or try much of the current offerings.

You are probably right, if the game is done well and the market responds well. I think the problem for Sony is that they don't own any big JRPG franchises. That means they'd probably need a new IP, and that's a big risk. They seem willing to take that risk in genres with a lot of growth and a large market, like open world action games or open world RPGs, but JRPGs have a smaller market.

They could do it and be successful, but there is a good amount of risk there for them.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Where did i ever say they were going to invest in JRPG's through first party studios again?

All i've been saying is that Sony DOES care about Japanese games and JRPGs, and it shows in their commitment to forging relationships with their partners that lean heavily towards those games, and helping them market as well.

My point was in response to the question of the thread itself. That Sony doesn't make those sorts of games, because they're primarily a western focused publisher.

They'll do some marketing deals for Japanese third parties, and what have you, but as far as first party development goes, they just don't really care about anything unless it's a western oriented game.

 

[CrispyBoar]

This post confuses me alil whats being said here

He mentioned that JRPG's aren't going anywhere else besides PS4 & I corrected him on that.

A pc is not a console. Wii U has some stellar stuff though. But it's on the way out.

And Switch is on it's way in.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

A pc is not a console. Wii U has some stellar stuff though. But it's on the way out.

Lol he was talking about the Switch I'm sure.

 

[onemanasylum]

My point was in response to the question of the thread itself. That Sony doesn't make those sorts of games, because they're primarily a western focused publisher.

They'll do some marketing deals for Japanese third parties, and what have you, but as far as first party development goes, they just don't really care about anything unless it's a western oriented game.

Last Guardian, Bloodborne , disagree. They are not just a western developer, also Guerilla, Media Molecule in Europe.

 

["D"]

I got to ask, who cares whether it's first-party or not?

Atlus is going to bring out Persona 5 exclusively to Playstation platforms.
Level-5 is bringing Ni No Kuni 2 exclusively to PS4.

Both are without a doubt AAA releases in JRPG terms and you can't play them anywhere else. Sony has no real need to invest in this niche genre at all. Third parties are all on their side.

I just don't see anything wrong with having more options. Hell, if Sony dropped a nice ass JRPG despite all that we have now, I dunno about anyone else but if its hitting the right notes with me, I'd pick it up and add it to my list...especially if they are offering something new or maybe even innovative to the genre.

 

[Clear]

I'd bet that one of FROM's upcoming titles is a co-production with Sony Japan.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Last Guardian, Bloodborne , disagree. They are not just a western developer, also Guerilla, Media Molecule in Europe.

Europe... Is considered to be in "the West"

 

[Eumi]

Lol he was talking about the Switch I'm sure.

Is anything announced for the Switch yet? Cause I'm hoping the 3ds JRPG's move over to it but I haven't heard anything about it.

 

[onemanasylum]

Europe... Is considered to be in "the West"

Isn't that the east?

 

[BigEmil]

He mentioned that JRPG's aren't going anywhere else besides PS4 & I corrected him on that.

And Switch is on it's way.

He probably meant the biggest amount of current gen JRPG's will be on PS4

 

[Hoo-doo]

Actually, I saw it first, and the longer list was actually easy to Google in a whole 3s, which I ended up doing before seeing it anyway. However, some of those aren't even JRPGs in the first place. So many people are like a) Is it from Japan? b) Does it have stats? c) Does it have some kind of anime look? Okay then it's a JRPG!

He also didn't reply to my comment about games that are going to be even be released outside of Japan, and if so, how long? Having a huge list of games being developed for the PS4 means nothing until they are actually out.

So first you say a handful of games don't matter because they are already out, and now suddenly nothing means anything until it's actually out.

You're not really making a strong argument here, friend. Do you even recall your own argument at this point or are you just doubling down for no reason.

[QUOTE="D";228112846]I just don't see anything wrong with having more options. Hell, if Sony dropped a nice ass JRPG despite all that we have now, I dunno about anyone else but if its hitting the right notes with me, I'd pick it up and add it to my list...especially if they are offering something new or maybe even innovative to the genre.[/QUOTE]

Obviously more is better. I'd like to see it happen as well.
But surely you can understand that Sony is in a pretty damn untouchable position in terms of JRPG's already and it would make next to no business sense.

 

[Megawarrior]

People paid Oreshika on Vita dust so they probably gave up.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Is anything announced for the Switch yet? Cause I'm hoping the 3ds JRPG's move over to it but I haven't heard anything about it.

Dq11 at least. I'm sure other developers are making exclusives too.

And also according to gaf they'll be taking all ps4s Japanese developers no not sharing them taking them all.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Is anything announced for the Switch yet? Cause I'm hoping the 3ds JRPG's move over to it but I haven't heard anything about it.

Dragon Quest X and XI.

Rumoured are Xeno X port and sequel, and Pokemon 'Stars'.

You can probably expect the next Shin Megami Tensei to be on Switch too.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

I guess they don't really need any 1st party JRPG's, when they have 3rd party console exclusive JRPG's like Persona 5, Ni No Kuni 2, Nier Automata and I Am Setsuna, plus all the multi-platform JRPG's too.

 

[Trago]

I got to ask, who cares whether it's first-party or not?

Atlus is going to bring out Persona 5 exclusively to Playstation platforms.
Level-5 is bringing Ni No Kuni 2 exclusively to PS4.

Both are without a doubt AAA releases in JRPG terms and you can't play them anywhere else. Sony has no real need to invest in this niche genre at all. Third parties are all on their side.

Anything wrong with wanting Japan Studio to release an RPG? Just because all the third parties are on their side doesn't mean that the studio should just look the other way.

 

[Inuhanyou]

[QUOTE="D";228112846]I just don't see anything wrong with having more options. Hell, if Sony dropped a nice ass JRPG despite all that we have now, I dunno about anyone else but if its hitting the right notes with me, I'd pick it up and add it to my list...especially if they are offering something new or maybe even innovative to the genre.[/QUOTE]

You have the right idea, but the question will always remain, is that apart of Sony's priority to even try as opposed to being content with helping other developers?

They are in a good position and don't really need to genuinely try for JRPGs.

Japanese games like Gravity Rush and such are their great commitment to diversity which i love.

Now if switch comes out, blows up harder than Wii and PS4 combined and every Japanese third party hops on the Switch train in Japan, then i can see Sony feeling under pressure to separate their lineup a bit and push for these games that can help sell their unit and separate them from Switch in Japan, either through third party deals or first party investments

 

[Lord of Ostia]

He mentioned that JRPG's aren't going anywhere else besides PS4 & I corrected him on that.

JRPGs are mostly going to Vita and PS4 at the moment (or mobile, tbh). There are 2 notable JRPGs on Wii U, and while both games are great, that's not a ton of games. There are JRPGs coming to PC, but those games typically release first on PS4 and come to PC later, or they are older Japanese PC games which are finally being localized. There are a few day and date releases, and while I agree that should be the norm for Japanese games, PS4 and Vita are still the main place to find Japanese games.

Edit: 3DS also gets a ton of JRPGs, and you could probably assume that will continue for Switch, but if you combine 3DS and WiiU compared to PS4 and Vita combined, PS4/Vita still have more Japanese releases.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Isn't that the east?

In this context, Japan is East.

JRPGs are mostly going to Vita and PS4 at the moment (or mobile, tbh). There are 2 notable JRPGs on Wii U, and while both games are great, that's not a ton of games. There are JRPGs coming to PC, but those games typically release first on PS4 and come to PC later, or they are older Japanese PC games which are finally being localized. There are a few day and date releases, and while I agree that should be the norm for Japanese games, PS4 and Vita are still the main place to find Japanese games.

You're forgetting all the Jrpg series on the 3DS, which will likely migrate to the Switch.

 

[funkystudent]

Every JRPG released on the console is practically exclusive by default of them always selling like crap on competing platforms.

I can see why they dont see the need.


Would be nice to see them try though. I think the last time SCE dipped their toes into a JRPG was White Knight Chronicles and that game was just weird.

 

[Black Knight]

FFXV far and way runs and looks better on ps4. What more do you need? What's the point of this thread? Look at every jrpg available.

 

["D"]

So first you say a handful of games don't matter because they are already out, and now suddenly nothing means anything until it's actually out.

You're not really making a strong argument here, friend. Do you even recall your own argument at this point or are you just doubling down for no reason.



Obviously more is better. I'd like to see it happen as well.
But surely you can understand that Sony is in a pretty damn untouchable position in terms of JRPG's already and it would make next to no business sense.

Realistically you are probably right, but I can't help but wonder what a Sony lovingly-fed-and-grown JRPG would be like at this current stage. Especially since it could take advantage of the console's nooks and cranies (PS4 Pro) if the other third party developers haven't squeezed out all its max potential by then

 

[ronaldthump]

I'd kill for a more traditional old school JRPG they can fund cheaply.

that said as a gamer, I hardly want to play this genre anymore.

 

[Lord of Ostia]

In this context, Japan is East.


You're forgetting all the Jrpg series on the 3DS, which will likely migrate to the Switch.

Yeah I just edited my post to include that. 3DS does get a ton of JRPGs.

 

[orochi91]

PS4 already hosts almost all major AAA JRPGs, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

Sony shouldn't bother wasting too many resources on that genre, outside of a handful of titles.

A Bloodborne sequel would be dope.

 

["D"]

PS4 already hosts almost all major AAA JRPGs, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

Sony shouldn't bother wasting too many resources on that genre, outside of a handful of titles.

A Bloodborne sequel would be dope.

Yep.

 

[BigEmil]

Just wait for Sony's first party jrpg reboots on mobile late 2017 - 2018 I will have a good mobile by then

Never played Arc the Lad but I'm ecstatic over Wild Arms 😁😁

 

[Trago]

I guess Japan Studio should be relegated to Gravity Rush and Knack sequels, because a AAA first party JRPG would be a waste of resources.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Would be nice to see them try though. I think the last time SCE dipped their toes into a JRPG was White Knight Chronicles and that game was just weird.

Blame flippin Level 5. They've been dropping the ball on their console releases since Rogue Galaxy and DQ8. NNK was semi a return to form for them

 

[Willenium]

Okage: Shadow King was a Sony game, right? It's available on PS4. It counts.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I guess Japan Studio should be relegated to Gravity Rush and Knack sequels, because a AAA first party JRPG would be a waste of resources.

You probably thought this was snark. But lol if you think those games touch the budget required for an AAA jrpg

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Bloodborne is a JRPG, and I'll fight anyone that argues otherwise. It's distinctly got RPG elements and distinctly Japanese design sensibilities.

Anyways, I think something like Bloodborne is probably the most we'll see from JRPGs from Sony for right now. There's more money to be made chasing WRPG or RPG-lite games than distinctly Japanese games.

A game that pretends to be an RPG without any of the things that make an RPG an RPG.

This is just stoking the flames and not giving a good faith answer at what a JRPG is.

Spoiler

But I also wouldn't really disagree with it in a lot of cases.

 

[Trago]

You probably thought this was snark. But lol if you think those games touch the budget required for an AAA jrpg

Maybe it is a gamble. Doesn't mean I don't want to see it happen. And it probably won't either.

 

[LizardKing]

Name a current-gen console or platform with a better 2017 JRPG selection.

The fuck? Sony is kicking ass and taking names when it comes to JRPG's right now.

3ds has a better jrpg selection as a platform than ps4. By far.

Don't feel like speculating on the future unknown.

 

[Sanctuary]

If you are just going to downplay anything there is no point talking to you...it is a niche genre at this point, there is about as many games as you will ever see coming this year in the genre.

Also this is about JRPG's coming out, no one said anything about already out, stop moving goal posts.

Also, all those are coming to the west.....

Moving goal posts? I don't even understand what the damn argument is anymore. I simply replied to a comment that claimed that there's just this near huge surplus on the system where there actually isn't yet. And even when most of the games that are actually "JRPGs" are released, it's not like there's going to be too many. It's only "too many" in comparison to there not being any.

Why would they when that niche is being filled to the point of near saturation?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

You're surprised? Like genuinely surprised? What was their last jrpg again?

 

[CCIE]

Seriously, the only JRPG's Sony isn't getting are the Nintendo ones. They are basically getting everything worth a damn in the next two years. I play mainly single player story games, action RPG's, and JRPG's.

I don't have enough time in the day to play them all.



Will get a switch for the JRPG's that Sony doesn't get though

 

[Inuhanyou]

3ds is a better jrpg platform than ps4. By far.

Depends on if you want low fidelity gaming or high fidelity. I just can't deal with handhelds, so that library is pointless to me.

That's why i'm glad Switch is coming and they will do much better surely by nature of being able to play on the big screen.

On the other hand, most of the franchises i like are on PS4 anyway compared to Nintendo