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[onQ123]

It's funny how long this thread is and yet how irrelevant it was to sales.

It's almost as if Sony knew what they were doing

And Xbox continues to chase the ghost of ps2 trying the Trojan horse approach with 4k bluray except they forgot it's 16 years later and Netflix is king now

Classic Microsoft

Sony know how many people have used the PS4 to play Blu-rays because you have to connect to the internet to enable Blu-ray playback & I'm sure the numbers told them all they needed to know.


Most 4K media devices are not going to have a disc drive on them so I don't know why people are acting like a game console has to have a UHD Blu-ray drive on it.

Besides UHD Blu-ray is a stop gap format just like PS4 Pro & Xbox One Scorpio are stop gap consoles.

 

[Head.spawn]

That Travis Scott was pretty lit, this is the kind of insider i can get behind.

 

[JordanN]

Attempting to be cboat?

All his posts seem to be about Sony and 4K.

But unless a mod verifies it, don't read into it.

 

[therealbigrich]

It's funny how long this thread is and yet how irrelevant it was to sales.

It's almost as if Sony knew what they were doing

And Xbox continues to chase the ghost of ps2 trying the Trojan horse approach with 4k bluray except they forgot it's 16 years later and Netflix is king now

Classic Microsoft

Yeah there is no telling if the inclusion of a 4k blue ray player would of helped sales at all but I would bet it could of at least helped a little .

 

[III-V]

At first I only saw gibberish but now I want to believe.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Reading this thread is so hilarious now

 

[Vashetti]

Besides UHD Blu-ray is a stop gap format just like PS4 Pro & Xbox One Scorpio are stop gap consoles.

Do you really think there's going to be a e.g. 8K home format disk?

 

[family_guy]

Sony know how many people have used the PS4 to play Blu-rays because you have to connect to the internet to enable Blu-ray playback & I'm sure the numbers told them all they needed to know.

Well Bluray has been out for 10+ years, so it's not surprising many people aren't using their PS4s for Bluray playback when you can get better players with nice remotes for $50 or less. If UHD players were that price, a lot less people would care if Sony didn't include it in the PS4.

 

[The Artisan]

Always good to see this thread bumped because it truly is a terrible mistake that Sony made not including 4K bluray

 

[potatohead]

Yeah there is no telling if the inclusion of a 4k blue ray player would of helped sales at all but I would bet it could of at least helped a little .

Without increasing the price? Which would make it sell worse in all likelihood? You mean that way?

Yea. Bad idea. Lose lose proposition especially for Sony who would have to eat the per unit cost to get the same sales volume.

Everyone but Microsoft knew UHD bluray was dumb to include right now.

Look how long it took for people to learn that bluray was better than dvd. Years. It will take another several years for people to figure out new bluray discs and players are needed for 4k. And now it has to overcome digital distribution of HD and 4k. That's not a horse to bet on for short term gain which is what Microsoft thought it would be since they have no mind for anything else.

It's never going to be a transition like vhs to dvd again and even that was very slow.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Everyone but Microsoft knew UHD bluray was dumb to include right now.

I think Microsoft also knew, but at this point they felt they needed some bullet point feature to make the S look better than the PS4.

 

[hanspampel]

Everyone but Microsoft knew UHD bluray was dumb to include right now.

Yeah having a feature your competition does not have and the ability to brag about that is so dumb

Total waste of $5

 

[Dunlop]

I think Microsoft also knew, but at this point they felt they needed some bullet point feature to make the S look better than the PS4.

Sony threads are disturbing sometimes (and I'm a pro owner)

They did not include to drive mostly to maximize their profits. As a consumer you should be fucking annoyed when somehow MS could do it and lower the cost of their console.

Who do you think has better buying power for these components, MS or Sony?

but yay Sony I guess

 

[onemanasylum]

Sony threads are disturbing sometimes (and I'm a pro owner)

They did not include to drive mostly to maximize their profits. As a consumer you should be fucking annoyed when somehow MS could do it and lower the cost of their console.

Who do you think has better buying power for these components, MS or Sony?

but yay Sony I guess

LOL you act like Sony is broke and has no money, sony most likely looked at the market, and they know better then anyone, physical media like UHD is incredibly niche, it is less then 1% of the market, and decided to focus on streaming which is where everything is headed.

 

[VanMardigan]

LOL you act like Sony is broke and has no money, sony most likely looked at the market, and they know better then anyone, physical media like UHD is incredibly niche, it is less then 1% of the market, and decided to focus on streaming which is where everything is headed.

I hate these arguments that pretend you can't do one thing because you focus on the other. You can do streaming AND discs. Just like you can do wireless Bluetooth AND have a headphone jack. Why do we like to pretend that we have to choose, just because a company's marketing tells us so?

 

[onemanasylum]

I hate these arguments that pretend you can't do one thing because you focus on the other. You can do streaming AND discs. Just like you can do wireless Bluetooth AND have a headphone jack. Why do we like to pretend that we have to choose, just because a company's marketing tells us so?

Where in my post did I say this? Sony looked at the market and knew it simply not worth it, they easily could afford to just didn't see the need. I never said of the like you are suggesting.

 

[The Artisan]

I hate these arguments that pretend you can't do one thing because you focus on the other. You can do streaming AND discs. Just like you can do wireless Bluetooth AND have a headphone jack. Why do we like to pretend that we have to choose, just because a company's marketing tells us so?

yeah definitely this. another example from me is that most of the time i buy games physically but time to time i buy digital versions. i would hate to be stuck having to buy all games digitally though.

 

[Dunlop]

LOL you act like Sony is broke and has no money, sony most likely looked at the market, and they know better then anyone, physical media like UHD is incredibly niche, it is less then 1% of the market, and decided to focus on streaming which is where everything is headed.

So by focus you mean save $15 on their cost to manufacture (estimate from another site)?

They would update their storefront regardless and Netflix and Amazon and whatever other 4K client will not be developed by them at all.

Also off that they would invest in manufacturing for a standalone 4k player if the market is really less than a %

http://4k.com/news/sony-finally-ann...blu-ray-player-with-high-dynamic-range-16496/

I meant they didn't include it for their own business reasons, but people can at least admit it was a dick move

 

[onemanasylum]

So by focus you mean save $15 on their cost to manufacture (estimate from another site)?

They would update their storefront regardless and Netflix and Amazon and whatever other 4K client will not be developed by them at all.

Also off that they would invest in manufacturing for a standalone 4k player if the market is really less than a %

http://4k.com/news/sony-finally-ann...blu-ray-player-with-high-dynamic-range-16496/

I meant they didn't include it for their own business reasons, but people can at least admit it was a dick move

They invested into VR too and that is incredibly niche...companies invest in niches all the time, and so they have something when the market grows...right now UHD makes up less then 1% of the market, either way 15 per console if they wanted to save adds up when your selling millions of units. If it means that muchy to you buy an Xbox or seperate player, but going by PS4 sales it doesn't matter to most.

 

[The Artisan]

So by focus you mean save $15 on their cost to manufacture (estimate from another site)?

They would update their storefront regardless and Netflix and Amazon and whatever other 4K client will not be developed by them at all.

Also off that they would invest in manufacturing for a standalone 4k player if the market is really less than a %

http://4k.com/news/sony-finally-ann...blu-ray-player-with-high-dynamic-range-16496/

I meant they didn't include it for their own business reasons, but people can at least admit it was a dick move

I would've gladly paid $420 for a Ps4 pro that had a 4K blu ray player...

 

[gfxtwin]

I have a Pro and I'm content with Bluray since it still looks good and has way more of a movie selection. I think technology is moving WAY too fucking fast. 4K is like the destination for image quality. Maybe 8K, but 8K doesn't look much better to the human eye than 4K.

That said, Sony has still been kinda greedy this gen. Not just lack of 4K, but stepping backwards from having BC and optional PS plus for online gaming.

Definitely would've been nice to have 4K on a current playstation. They trailblazed DVD and Bluray funtionality, and 4K is already here, so it would've been nice. They're no doubt waiting to make it a feature of the PS5 though, which some are speculating will be released as soon as 2020.

 

[onQ123]

Do you really think there's going to be a e.g. 8K home format disk?

It's not just 8K we also might need a better format for 3D 4K movies , I just don't think that a format that is only about 2X the size of the old Blu-ray format after 10 years & ask for people to buy new players & for the the industry to move to a new format is something that is actually made to run the course of the UHD generation.

I know that the better video codecs & better hardware on the players give better than 2X the picture quality but UHD Blu-ray does not give the industry much room for innovation once they fully move over to 4K.

Well Bluray has been out for 10+ years, so it's not surprising many people aren't using their PS4s for Bluray playback when you can get better players with nice remotes for $50 or less. If UHD players were that price, a lot less people would care if Sony didn't include it in the PS4.

Not many people care about UHD Blu-ray right now, there is people I know who bought the Xbox One S & when they asked questions about it & I told them about the fact that it can play 4K Blu-rays they didn't seem to care.

Always good to see this thread bumped because it truly is a terrible mistake that Sony made not including 4K bluray

Yes what ever will PlayStation do to recover from this terrible disaster?

 

[dano1]

Yeah having a feature your competition does not have and the ability to brag about that is so dumb

Total waste of $5

Oh now the extra hardware is only $5 bucks?
Keep dreaming!
And if anyone really is a video file there not going to buy a PS4 Pro or a Xbox one to hook up to there 10-20k systems!!

 

[MrCaliaztec]

It's funny, I would bet anything that MS honestly could careless about putting the UHD Drive into the Xbox One S, but with them pushing the original Xbone as an All in One media center for your home, I feel like their hands were kind of tied.

As someone who owns lots of Blu-Rays and a 4k TV I pass on buying UHD Blu-rays gotta be out your goddamn mind if you think I'm gonna pay 29.99-39.99 standard for a movie. With sales that happen much less frequently then blu-rays. Also as others have said physical media is all but dead to the masses. Just because you want it doesn't mean its the right decision to add it.

Keep my gaming systems as cheap as possible by not inflating the price with multimedia stuff IMO unless it's to better the gaming landscape as well like the original inclusion of Blu-ray into the PS3.

And for reference I have an Xbox One S still not gonna bother when I can stream in 4k.

 

[Weevilone]

I would've gladly paid $420 for a Ps4 pro that had a 4K blu ray player...

In the end it didn't matter to me, as I bought a standalone player. I still think it was dumb though.

 

[The Artisan]

Yes what ever will PlayStation do to recover from this terrible disaster?

there's nothing they can do to recover, they must now suffer the fucking criticism.

In the end it didn't matter to me, as I bought a standalone player. I still think it was dumb though.

it was dumb. the Ps2 was my first dvd player, the Ps3 was my first blu ray player, Ps4 was my second blu ray player and I hoped that the Ps4 pro would be my first 4K blu ray player. that shit was madd convenient.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

there's nothing they can do to recover, they must now suffer the fucking criticism.it was dumb. the Ps2 was my first dvd player, the Ps3 was my first blu ray player, Ps4 was my second blu ray player and I hoped that the Ps4 pro would be my first 4K blu ray player. that shit was madd convenient.

By still outselling the competition without oh glorious UHD drive, I'm sure they are all losing sleep over the handful of people truly irked... That road to recovery must be terrible god speed Sony!

I would die laughing the most hysterical death if an UHD drive is not included in the Scorpios!

 

[PrankT]

In the end it didn't matter to me, as I bought a standalone player. I still think it was dumb though.

I did too...an Xbox One S. I'll play every game on the pro, but they forced me to support the Xbox as well.

 

[cheesekao]

I did too...an Xbox One S. I'll play every game on the pro, but they forced me to support the Xbox as well.

You could've bought a standalone player at a cheaper price if you weren't gonna use it for games.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

yeah guys this post or thread whatever you call it is pretty cool and stuff but the way people tend to think of fantasy movies is that the stuff isn't real. Needs pirates or something most poles don't think alike. The sock isn't in the right foot well does it matter since it still fits the same. Who is there to tell America what's right what's wrong. Ps4 pro 4k blu ray support on the way. Way back like Travis Scott and his last album which was pretty good. Close source told me that it wa gonna happen but who knows with that mat Damon is saying to his agent.

Don't ban him.

We need to go deeper.

Spoiler

drunk/high accessed alt account?

 

[The Artisan]

By still outselling the competition without oh glorious UHD drive, I'm sure they are all losing sleep over the handful of people truly irked... That road to recovery must be terrible god speed Sony!

I would die laughing the most hysterical death if an UHD drive is not included in the Scorpios!

you think this gif changes anything? you can tell me and yourself that it is a handful, or a dozen, and i'll keep telling myself and you that it may be much, much, more than that who opted to buy an xbone s because of this

 

[Dunlop]

By still outselling the competition without oh glorious UHD drive, I'm sure they are all losing sleep over the handful of people truly irked

It would have regardless, I just can't wrap my head around as a consumer why you are HAPPY they did not include it?

I've gotten rid of all my systems and only have a Pro so it was obviously not a deal breaker for me but I just don't understand why the exclusion of something that would have been useful to many and a minimal cost would bring joy.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

It would have regardless, I just can't wrap my head around as a consumer why you are HAPPY they did not include it?

But I'm not happy. I just...don't care. Like the vast majority of consumers.

People that keep trying to make this to be some big deal that Sony should be "ashamed" of or some bullshit is hilarious though...

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Why was this bumped?

 

[MrCaliaztec]

It would have regardless, I just can't wrap my head around as a consumer why you are HAPPY they did not include it?

I've gotten rid of all my systems and only have a Pro so it was obviously not a deal breaker for me but I just don't understand why the exclusion of something that would have been useful to many and a minimal cost would bring joy.

Because I have absolutely zero need for it. Especially if it increases the overall cost of the system in any way! I have an Xbox One S, and if I really wanted one I would buy a standalone one with much better multimedia codecs.

I don't even stream on my consoles because its a waste of their overall lifetime usage. I buy gaming consoles to game on, not to be an all in one media center. I own my Xbox One S solely for exclusives and would actually buy a standalone UHD player if I ever had a want to buy and watch UHD movies long before I dusted off the Xbox One S to play one.

 

[The Artisan]

But I'm not happy. I just...don't care. Like the vast majority of consumers.

why take issue with the sizable minority that happen to be upset that it's not included? why does everyone have to be okay with it and every damn decision sony makes?

 

[Dunlop]

Why was this bumped?

yeah guys this post or thread whatever you call it is pretty cool and stuff but the way people tend to think of fantasy movies is that the stuff isn't real. Needs pirates or something most poles don't think alike. The sock isn't in the right foot well does it matter since it still fits the same. Who is there to tell America what's right what's wrong. Ps4 pro 4k blu ray support on the way. Way back like Travis Scott and his last album which was pretty good. Close source told me that it wa gonna happen but who knows with that mat Damon is saying to his agent.

This was the odd post that bumped it, people couldn't decipher and then it pivoted

 

[Dash_Riprock]

why take issue with the sizable minority that happen to be upset that it's not included? why does everyone have to be okay with it and every damn decision sony makes?

Where are people asking you be to okay with it? Complain all you want. Doesn't change the fact that the US market spoke and people still preferred the PS4 over the Xbox One this Holiday season.

 

[hanspampel]

Oh now the extra hardware is only $5 bucks?
Keep dreaming!
And if anyone really is a video file there not going to buy a PS4 Pro or a Xbox one to hook up to there 10-20k systems!!

at maximum

Xbox One Blu-ray Drive $32 500GB internal HDD $37 in 2013
Xbox One S UHD Blu-ray Drive + 2TB internal HDD $88.50 in 2016

 

[MrCaliaztec]

why take issue with the sizable minority that happen to be upset that it's not included? why does everyone have to be okay with it and every damn decision sony makes?

You say sizeable but you have absolutely no idea what % of people that sizeable chunk may be.

A sizeable amount of people also bought HD-DVD Drives for their Xbox 360s I guess in the end we should be thankful for MS, I always know which forms of media delivery is gonna be a complete waste based on what they side on.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

This was the odd post that bumped it, people couldn't decipher and then it pivoted

Ah ok. Thanks. PS4 Pro 4K BluRay support would of been nice, but oh well. I'm sure they left the feature out to sell more of their 4K BluRay UHD players.

 

[The Artisan]

Where are people asking you be to okay with it? Complain all you want. Doesn't change the fact that the US market spoke and people still preferred the PS4 over the Xbox One this Holiday season.

they haven't said "just be okay with it" verbatim, but if everybody really felt that way, they shouldn't try to fight these criticisms.

most people don't care that there's no 4K blu ray player, but there are a considerable amount of people who are upset about it, and no amount of pointing out that "sony made the right decision" or "it doesn't matter coz the Ps4 pro still outsold the xbone s" is gonna change that.

You say sizeable but you have absolutely no idea what % of people that sizeable chunk may be.

well neither do you.

A sizeable amount of people also bought HD-DVD Drives for their Xbox 360s I guess in the end we should be thankful for MS, I always know which forms of media delivery is gonna be a complete waste based on what they side on.

what's that got to do with anything? you really think sony won't eventually come out with their own standalone blu ray player?

 

[MrCaliaztec]

at maximum

Xbox One Blu-ray Drive $32 500GB internal HDD $37
Xbox One S UHD Blu-ray Drive + 2TB internal HDD $88.50

You do know that MS also has to pay licensing rights, and multimedia codecs right in order to play that content so it's is an even higher cost then just the parts. And those licenses are ongoing and probably have to be renewed else they are forced to cease production.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

You say sizeable but you have absolutely no idea what % of people that sizeable chunk may be.

A sizeable amount of people also bought HD-DVD Drives for their Xbox 360s I guess in the end we should be thankful for MS, I always know which forms of media delivery is gonna be a complete waste based on what they side on.

To be fair, Sony's track record on media delivery isn't exactly stellar either (Betamax, Mini-Discs, and or course their BS peripheral flash drives).

 

[MrCaliaztec]

they haven't said "just be okay with it" verbatim, but if everybody really felt that way, they shouldn't try to fight these criticisms.

most people don't care that there's no 4K blu ray player, but there are a considerable amount of people who are upset about it, and no amount of pointing out that "sony made the right decision" or "it doesn't matter coz the Ps4 pro still outsold the xbone s" is gonna change that.

Considerable and Sizeable are terms you keep throwing out! How many people are you truly able to account for? What is your pool of research! this 100 page thread? We have 100's of posts about the Switch with debates far on both sides that shit is Sizeable... this is frankly nothing, this is less then wanting backwards compatibility by a damn landslide!

 

[MrCaliaztec]

To be fair, Sony's track record on media delivery isn't exactly stellar either (Betamax, Mini-Discs, and or course their BS peripheral flash drives).

Totally true! which is why if you see my actual posts besides this last one, I could give two shits less about what kind of extra multimedia options I have for my devices if it increases the cost in any way.

Sure as shit never saw me put any media on my PSP or Vita for reasons above. Sony is one of the worst when it comes to proprietary media, so the less they try to mess with that is a win in my opinion!

 

[The Artisan]

Considerable and Sizeable are terms you keep throwing out!

yes because i truly believe it!

How many people are you truly able to account for? What is your pool of research! this 6 page thread?

i could ask all these things to you too you know! i can't prove how many people sony missed out on, but i don't think you can prove that they missed out on much!

and...this thread is like more than 10 fold the amount of pages you thought it was

We have 100's of posts about the Switch with debates far on both sides that shit is Sizeable... this is frankly nothing, this is less then wanting backwards compatibility by a damn landslide!

if this was nothing, it wouldn't have been a 100 page thread.

 

[hanspampel]

You do know that MS also has to pay licensing rights, and multimedia codecs right in order to play that content so it's is an even higher cost then just the parts. And those licenses are ongoing and probably have to be renewed else they are forced to cease production.

yes. and those licensing fees are already included. (at least some, as the component manufacturer is already paying)
that is the reason, xbox one costs for the blu-ray player are higher than ps4

sony does not have to pay blu-ray format royalties and they went with a self build custom blu-ray drive
and again. you have to pay blu-ray fees and codec rights nevertheless you just pay a little more for UHD

and i don't even see any increased costs for UHD
http://www.blu-raydisc.info/index.php

 

[MrCaliaztec]

yes because i truly believe it! i could ask all these things to you too you know! i can't prove how many people sony missed out on, but i don't think you can prove that they missed out on much!if this was nothing, it wouldn't have been a 100 page thread.

um.. technically we can prove that most do not care because the inclusion of the UHD drive in the Xbox One S did nothing to propel it past the base PS4, PS4 Slim, and the PS4 Pro all systems without the UHD drive. Outselling their competition that has a UHD drive. The burden of proof is completely on my side!

As for this being 100 pages long, I think most are just here for the run of the ride. And to see the butt hurt!

 

[Dunlop]

To be fair, Sony's track record on media delivery isn't exactly stellar either (Betamax, Mini-Discs, and or course their BS peripheral flash drives).

Sony actually received royalties for each UHD drive as they are part of the BDA which is what baffled many once the Pro was unveiled. They are a major partner in the freaking standard