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[The Artisan]

um.. technically we can prove that most do not care because the inclusion of the UHD drive in the Xbox One S did nothing to propel it past the base PS4, PS4 Slim, and the PS4 Pro all systems without the UHD drive. Outselling their competition that has a UHD drive. The burden of proof is completely on my side!

how can you prove that a sizable amount of the people who bought the xbone s, did not opt to do so because of the lack of the pro's 4K blu ray player?

also just wanted to point out to you again, this a 100 page thread, not a 6 page thread

edit: just saw your edit. my butt feels fine. it's my heart that's hurting, thanks.

 

[Bastables]

To be fair, Sony's track record on media delivery isn't exactly stellar either (Betamax, Mini-Discs, and or course their BS peripheral flash drives).

SCEI/SIE choices of video game format discs seems to have done fine so far with CD, DVD and Blu Ray though.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

how can you prove that a sizable amount of the people who bought the xbone s, did not opt to do so because of the lack of the pro's 4K blu ray player?

also just wanted to point out to you again, this a 100 page thread, not a 6 page thread

edit: just saw your edit. my butt feels fine. it's my heart that's hurting, thanks.

It's more proof then you could ever hope to have for your argument it is actually able to be hypothesized from fact. The fact that there were more sales of one over the other shows that. Now if the Xbox One S had outsold the PS4 over said period you'd have some actually evidence to back that up as fact... so maybe some time around when MS gets around to releasing some exclusives that make the system worth buying more so over then the PS4 maybe then you could be like "It's because there is no UHD been telling them all along... but I think you'll be waiting just as long for that as you would a UHD player in the PS4 Pro, maybe for the PS5! Oh no probably not because it would still be dead tech.

If your heart is truly hurting over this, then I am truly sorry and maybe counseling would be the best, you are obviously in a very abusive relationship with Sony. My heart goes out to you!

 

[MrCaliaztec]

SCEI/SIE choices of video game format discs seems to have done fine so far with CD, DVD and Blu Ray though.

True that, this supports all my last posts, keep multimedia extras and bullshit out of my systems unless it propels the media of gaming forward! That is what is most important to the people that are buying your products, sorry for the minority.

 

[PrankT]

You could've bought a standalone player at a cheaper price if you weren't gonna use it for games.

I don't disagree in general, though my case is unique because I got it for a super deal where it came out to 155 and then 132 after I sold the game code that came with it. Ori, Rare Replay, and Forza are added bonuses. It's pretty quiet, works well with Harmony, and will be great once bitstream is enabled for Atmos.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

My case is unique because I got it for a super deal where it came out to 155, and then 132 after I sold the game code that came with it. Ori, Rare Replay, and Forza are added bonuses. It's pretty quiet, works well with Harmony, and will be great once bitstream is enabled for Atmos.

Something else to play games on is always a good thing you'll always have a couple exclusives. You're not wrong in your purchase of an Xbox One S as a UHD player. I've had one to play games since day one, and no intention of ever playing a UHD on it, but I'd never tell someone to not buy an Xbox One S to play UHD if they like games but are in the market for a UHD player.

 

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[Tubie]

Thread size shouldn't be used as a metric for this, since a lot of the posts here are the same few people going back and forth on this issue.

The only real metric we have is the actual sales, and that tells us the PS4 beat the Xbox the past 2 months.

If you feel Sony "forced" you to buy an Xbox One S for UHDs, then you should actually look at the bright side in that you now have another great console with a lot of exclusives you didn't have access to before.

 

[5taquitos]

It's tales from his ass.

That's literally what this entire thread is. No one here actually knows anything. That's what makes it so fun.

 

[jambo]

yeah guys this post or thread whatever you call it is pretty cool and stuff but the way people tend to think of fantasy movies is that the stuff isn't real. Needs pirates or something most poles don't think alike. The sock isn't in the right foot well does it matter since it still fits the same. Who is there to tell America what's right what's wrong. Ps4 pro 4k blu ray support on the way. Way back like Travis Scott and his last album which was pretty good. Close source told me that it wa gonna happen but who knows with that mat Damon is saying to his agent.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

 

[99Luffy]

You do know that MS also has to pay licensing rights, and multimedia codecs right in order to play that content so it's is an even higher cost then just the parts. And those licenses are ongoing and probably have to be renewed else they are forced to cease production.

It was already gonna play blu ray movies and 4K netflix. Are you gonna tell us how much more it costs to license 4K blu ray movies?

 

[Vashetti]

It's not just 8K we also might need a better format for 3D 4K movies , I just don't think that a format that is only about 2X the size of the old Blu-ray format after 10 years & ask for people to buy new players & for the the industry to move to a new format is something that is actually made to run the course of the UHD generation.

Not happening, all the TV manufacturers at CES 2017 have dropped 3D, bar one set.

 

[The Artisan]

It's more proof then you could ever hope to have for your argument it is actually able to be hypothesized from fact.

No it's not, it's not proof at all, it's all hypothetical just like mine is.

The fact that there were more sales of one over the other shows that. Now if the Xbox One S had outsold the PS4 over said period you'd have some actually evidence to back that up as fact... so maybe some time around when MS gets around to releasing some exclusives that make the system worth buying more so over then the PS4 maybe then you could be like "It's because there is no UHD been telling them all along... but I think you'll be waiting just as long for that as you would a UHD player in the PS4 Pro, maybe for the PS5! Oh no probably not because it would still be dead tech.

Nope...higher sales of the Ps4 pro does not prove that the sales wouldn't be even higher if there was a 4K blu ray player, and those sales were taken up by the xbone s

If your heart is truly hurting over this, then I am truly sorry and maybe counseling would be the best, you are obviously in a very abusive relationship with Sony. My heart goes out to you!

you're not a very nice guy in real life, are you? or do you just like being mean to people on the internet? i'm sure there's a word for that. you sure seem like someone who takes pleasure of making fun of others who aren't happy with something.

Simple answer is he can't. It's tales from his ass.

yup. i at least admitted that i don't have proof, but neither does he.

That's literally what this entire thread is. No one here actually knows anything. That's what makes it so fun.

well it's one thing to say that 4k blu ray doesn't matter right now because the format isn't that popular and the pro is a success regardless, but why give an attitude to people who were upset that wanted it?

if people didn't want a pro with a 4k blu ray player, then they got what they wanted, but telling people who did want it to get over the fact that it doesn't have it...doesn't really help. as well, it also doesn't help trying to show that sony's doing fine without it as well

 

[jeffram]

Not happening, all the TV manufacturers at CES 2017 have dropped 3D, bar one set.

That way they can bring it back and sell you NEW TVs.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

No it's not, it's not proof at all, it's all hypothetical just like mine is.Nope...higher sales of the Ps4 pro does not prove that the sales wouldn't be even higher if there was a 4K blu ray player, and those sales were taken up by the xbone s

you're not a very nice guy in real life, are you? or do you just like being mean to people on the internet? i'm sure there's a word for that. you sure seem like someone who takes pleasure of making fun of others who aren't happy with something.


yup. i at least admitted that i don't have proof, but neither does he.
well it's one thing to say that 4k blu ray doesn't matter right now because the format isn't that popular and the pro is a success regardless, but why give an attitude to people who were upset that wanted it?

if people didn't want a pro with a 4k blu ray player, then they got what they wanted, but telling people who did want it to get over the fact that it doesn't have it...doesn't really help. as well, it also doesn't help trying to show that sony's doing fine without it as well

I am a very nice guy in real life, in fact I haven't even been mean in this thread, you obviously are a bit overly sensitive to a lot of things including the inclusion or exclusion of certain media types. And you can't see how maybe its a little silly and over reactive to have your heart hurting over the exclusion of a UHD drive in the PS4 Pro... I mean really dude!? You said your heart is hurting... Priorities?

I love how you continue to say I have no proof, just like you, but the fact is numbers are numbers. And growth and continuing trend of the Sony line outselling the Xbox line shows that in every way.

At the very least it actually propels my point, where you have absolutely nothing to show that your side has any weight whatsoever... I mean how can you not see that in the least.

You're choosing to just not, but it doesn't make it any less true. If the exclusion of the UHD drive was really an issue, gaming sites would've picked it up for more then the hour the entire thing was news. Sites literally dropped it because it had no weight to be news, it would've been commented on as too why it is not. The simple fact of the matter is, the majority do not care and sorry to say that means the other side simply does not matter!

 

[Based_legend24]

Sorry guys, My brother had my phone and went on gaf.

 

[Based_legend24]

ive been told somehow 4k blu ray support is on the way. I'm not sure how it's possible but that's what I've been told by a close source. Next month we'll see

 

[5taquitos]

ive been told somehow 4k blu ray support is on the way. I'm not sure how it's possible but that's what I've been told by a close source. Next month we'll see

You should bet your account on it or contact a mod for vetting.

 

[onQ123]

Not happening, all the TV manufacturers at CES 2017 have dropped 3D, bar one set.

3D always come & go it will be back for 4K when the TV & media tech is good enough to do 3D 4K HDR

 

[zewone]

Sorry guys, My brother had my phone and went on gaf.

ive been told somehow 4k blu ray support is on the way. I'm not sure how it's possible but that's what I've been told by a close source. Next month we'll see

Your brother had your phone, yet your still making the unsubstantiated claim the UHD Blu-Ray support is coming to Pro and you both have the same nonsensical style of writing.

Right.

 

[The Artisan]

I am a very nice guy in real life, in fact I haven't even been mean in this thread, you obviously are a bit overly sensitive to a lot of things including the inclusion or exclusion of certain media types. And you can't see how maybe its a little silly and over reactive to have your heart hurting over the exclusion of a UHD drive in the PS4 Pro... I mean really dude!? You said your heart is hurting... Priorities?

Then start acting like it. If you were nice then you wouldn't be posting with an attitude with people like me that are sensitive. I'm not over here trying to make people who are upset, even more upset, like you are. You came here saying you want to enjoy the "butthurt", what's that saying about you? You get off on seeing others get upset?

I love how you continue to say I have no proof, just like you, but the fact is numbers are numbers. And growth and continuing trend of the Sony line outselling the Xbox line shows that in every way.

I can say it all day; numbers are numbers, and you can't prove that the numbers wouldn't have been higher if the pro didn't have a 4K blu ray player

At the very least it actually propels my point, where you have absolutely nothing to show that your side has any weight whatsoever... I mean how can you not see that in the least.

You're choosing to just not, but it doesn't make it any less true. If the exclusion of the UHD drive was really an issue, gaming sites would've picked it up for more then the hour the entire thing was news. Sites literally dropped it because it had no weight to be news, it would've been commented on as too why it is not. The simple fact of the matter is, the majority do not care and sorry to say that means the other side simply does not matter!

No, your point does not disprove mine. If it does not matter to you then why are you bothering to have this discussion with me? You can't prove that a lot of the sales for the xbone s did not come from people looking for a 4K console with a 4K blu ray player, those who may have opted to buy one instead of the pro because of it.

And you're choosing to come here and do what exactly? You're laughing at people who wanted a 4K blu ray player in their pro who didn't get it, as if that helps anyone. You'er not promoting a positive image by any means

 

[hanspampel]

I love how you continue to say I have no proof, just like you, but the fact is numbers are numbers. And growth and continuing trend of the Sony line outselling the Xbox line shows that in every way.

well at least that is not true at all. the numbers show the opposite


the original ps4 outsold the original xbox one by 14% in the us
now the xbox one s outsold the ps4 slim and ps4 pro

how much of that is contributed to the UHD player in the xbox one s is impossible to tell
but a change in sales happend since the release of xbox one s, ps4 slim and ps4 pro.
that is was the numbers are showing right now.

 

[The Artisan]

well at least that is not true at all. the numbers show the opposite


the original ps4 outsold the original xbox one by 14% in the us
now the xbox one s outsold the ps4 slim and ps4 pro

how much of that is contributed to the UHD player in the xbox one s is impossible to tell, unless microsoft gives us data about UDD blu-ray playback usage.
but a change in sales happend since the release of xbox one s, ps4 slim and ps4 pro.
that is was the numbers are showing right now.

they're all new products technically, there was bound to be a difference in numbers regardless of features

 

[Melchiah]

well at least that is not true at all. the numbers show the opposite


the original ps4 outsold the original xbox one by 14% in the us
now the xbox one s outsold the ps4 slim and ps4 pro

how much of that is contributed to the UHD player in the xbox one s is impossible to tell, unless microsoft gives us data about UDD blu-ray playback usage.
but a change in sales happend since the release of xbox one s, ps4 slim and ps4 pro.
that is was the numbers are showing right now.

Odd, I thought Sony won both November and December NPD, which were the months when Pro was available. So, how did the XBO S outsell it?

 

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[The Artisan]

I think you're being sensitive as well. You aren't even affected by this issue (?) but somehow it's worth writing 12 posts about it, telling people it shouldn't be an issue for them because it's a successful console.



You do really seem like a nice guy, shitting on other people's issues like this. Is there something in the keyboard making you do this, since you're such a nice guy in real life? "Enjoying seeing people butt-hurt" and all.

But on the other hand I think "my heart is hurting" is just a way to describe his disapproval. He's probably not crying over it, or even care about it in his everyday life. It's just disappointing.



I asked my co-workers and friends about this issue. 70% said they were disappointed with the exclusion of the UHD drive. These are numbers, and numbers are numbers. But you know what, we are human beings which means we are capable analyzing this data with some perspective and come to a conclusion and say; hey, these numbers don't say a whole lot. Just like your numbers don't tell what people actually think of UHD BD, or what they would think if they had the chance to experience it on their PS4.

The PS4 would be a success no matter what, whether it included a UHD drive or not. It would probably be a success if it excluded a drive completely. It could even be a success without supporting HDR, music features, themes, DTS or other smaller features. You can't really specify what is selling a console or not by just looking at a number and say "well yeah, they did add folders last week".

THANK YOU. At least someone else notices this

 

[Izuna]

Didn't you guys watch the Ben Heck video? It's the same drive in the Slim. It was probably done to save costs in that sense, also. They would easily be able to subsidise either SKU based on demand too.

IMO it's quite smart.

ive been told somehow 4k blu ray support is on the way. I'm not sure how it's possible but that's what I've been told by a close source. Next month we'll see

Wither new SKU or you're claiming that the Slim will support it.

It's just not happening.

 

[EmiPrime]

The UK is Microsoft's second biggest market. Go to any HMV and you'll find the UHD Blurays tucked away somewhere with the 3D Blurays on a single small shelf. Go to any CEX and you will find between 0 and 3 second hand UHD Blurays. Some of the bigger supermarkets might have a selection of about a dozen. Nothing has changed since Christmas here.

I really should know better than to post in this topic.

 

[krang]

The UK is Microsoft's second biggest market. Go to any HMV and you'll find the UHD Blurays tucked away somewhere with the 3D Blurays on a single small shelf. Go to any CEX and you will find between 0 and 3 second hand UHD Blurays. Some of the bigger supermarkets might have a selection of about a dozen. Nothing has changed since Christmas here.

I really should know better than to post in this topic.

HMV caters to the lowest common denominator, looking to bulk buy DVDs. It's not the place to go for bleeding edge tech or media.

 

[EmiPrime]

HMV caters to the lowest common denominator, looking to bulk buy DVDs. It's not the place to go for bleeding edge tech or media.

Maybe but it's the biggest specialist vendor of films on the high street in the UK and a good indicator of mainstream adoption (or lack thereof). Likewise CEX with aftermarket sales. If people were buying UHD Blurays they would filter through to CEX stores.

Meanwhile the Xbox One has equal billing with the PS4 at UK retail with the same shelf space and the Chart Track numbers show healthy software sales. People are buying Xbox One S to play the great games on it, not to play UHD Blurays in any great number.

 

[hanspampel]

Odd, I thought Sony won both November and December NPD, which were the months when Pro was available. So, how did the XBO S outsell it?

yes they won, but it was very close
overall, since the release of xbox one s.

just like ps4 outsold xbox one in 2014, while losing november and december

 

[Based_legend24]

Didn't you guys watch the Ben Heck video? It's the same drive in the Slim. It was probably done to save costs in that sense, also. They would easily be able to subsidise either SKU based on demand too.

IMO it's quite smart.



Wither new SKU or you're claiming that the Slim will support it.

It's just not happening.

That's what I'm saying to the person that keeps telling me that. He says it's going to be enabled on the pro model. I just don't see how it's possible but he's a addiment it will happen. I trust his word because he works very close with Sony. I hope it's true but I'm skeptical. He also said sonys uhd player 800x releases in February for a pretty nice price.

 

[Melchiah]

yes they won, but it was very close
overall, since the release of xbox one s.

just like ps4 outsold xbox one in 2014, while losing november and december

But you said...

now the xbox one s outsold the ps4 slim and ps4 pro

...eventhough it didn't outsell the PS4 after Pro was launched. And it wasn't close outside of NA (and UK), where the XBO units had big discounts, unlike the PS4.

In fact...
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1322887

According to Sony, PlayStation 4 enjoyed the best ever Black Friday week in the history of PlayStation.

...it also reached 50 million worldwide, despite of the lack UHD. It didn't make the platform's sales dwindle, like it was claimed on this thread, before the goalposts were moved to claim it would have sold more with UHD.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

As somebody who bought one, I do wish the Pro could play 4K blurays.

 

[Lady Gaia]

As somebody who bought one, I do wish the Pro could play 4K blurays.

As somebody who bought one, I also wish it was $100 cheaper, shipped a year earlier, and was backward compatible with PS3 titles. None of which means these were mistakes on Sony's part.

I'm slightly baffled that this thread is still going. It made sense when it was news and therefore there was something to react to, but now it seems odd to keep revisiting this historical decision with zero new information.

 

[zewone]

now the xbox one s outsold the ps4 slim and ps4 pro

This isn't true.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

These last few pages of this thread are gold! It has made my few days of recovering from minor surgery very enjoyable. Its funny seeing fanboy irrational for something like a UHD drive to the point where misinformation and complete number ignoring is actually being used to try to make it seem like its some travesty that the UHD isn't included. This is why the entitlement is so silly!

 

[MrCaliaztec]

As somebody who bought one, I also wish it was $100 cheaper, shipped a year earlier, and was backward compatible with PS3 titles. None of which means these were mistakes on Sony's part.

I'm slightly baffled that this thread is still going. It made sense when it was news and therefore there was something to react to, but now it seems odd to keep revisiting this historical decision with zero new information.

Because the "feels" have been hurt!

 

[SolidusDave]

Not sure why that sales argument is supposed to shut people up.
The sales in the last months would habe been only marginally different worldwide with or without the new console iterations.

Guess what, even canceling Uncharted 4 would not have changed the outcome much either.


Sometimes you also have to weight raw profit margins vs strategic positioning of your brand. Especially SCI has been known for that. Be it being the frontrunner for Blu-ray or not canceling projects like TLG. The latter existing basically purely for bolstering their portfolio (and I remember there being an interview literally saying that).



However, knowing now that the Slim and Pro are using exactly the same disc drive that as a whole basically just gets slotted in, makes it clear what happened IMO:
Due to costs and manufacturing processes, they would never use two different drives. As you can see from market prices and the fact that MS put a drive into a 300$ console (that from all we know is more expensive to produce than the PS4 even without the UHD drive), the cost increase from choosing a UHD drive would have been very tiny.
But Sony was not going to give the Slim any 4K capabilities as that would weaken the already weak position of the Pro and makes it difficult to communicate (and the pro likely gives them a better profit margin so they want you to buy that one). Thus, no UHD for either.



To be fair though, even though everyone was baffled we should have seen this coming as Sony found that their games-only image for the PS4 worked rather well. I mean, media and blu-ray player stuff was very shit at launch and even now the PS3 has a better media player apart from some new formats. Very telling in hindsight.

 

[hanspampel]

But you said...

...eventhough it didn't outsell the PS4 after Pro was launched. And it wasn't close outside of NA (and UK), where the XBO units had big discounts, unlike the PS4.

In fact...
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1322887

...it also reached 50 million worldwide, despite of the lack UHD. It didn't make the platform's sales dwindle, like it was claimed on this thread, before the goalposts were moved to claim it would have sold more with UHD.

that's why i said IN THE US (and by the way. ps4 was partially even cheaper in the UK and some other european markets this holiday)
and a worldwide comparison would be useless, because ps4 and xb1 are not close worldwide and the only reliable and consistent sales data we have is from the US (and japan)

also the us market is the only market with a decent adoption rate of 4k tvs
so why would we talk about general ww sales for ps4 and xb1 here in this topic regarding the context of the addition or lack of an UHD blu-ray drive as a potential salesdriver?
and to think such an usp is a a 100% non factor is very questionable.
again how much of a factor is the topic we could argue about

These last few pages of this thread are gold! It has made my few days of recovering from minor surgery very enjoyable. Its funny seeing fanboy irrational for something like a UHD drive to the point where misinformation and complete number ignoring is actually being used to try to make it seem like its some travesty that the UHD isn't included. This is why the entitlement is so silly!

Because the "feels" have been hurt!

I am a very nice guy in real life, in fact I haven't even been mean in this thread, you obviously are a bit overly sensitive to a lot of things including the inclusion or exclusion of certain media types. And you can't see how maybe its a little silly and over reactive to have your heart hurting over the exclusion of a UHD drive in the PS4 Pro... I mean really dude!? You said your heart is hurting... Priorities?

As for this being 100 pages long, I think most are just here for the run of the ride. And to see the butt hurt!

jesus...

 

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[MrCaliaztec]

I guess you're high on drugs then. Maybe shouldn't be posting on a forum in such state.

The drugs are obviously not strong enough. That or need what all the people who can't seem to see the logic and still incur that somehow Sony is at a loss for not catering to again a very very small minority in fact lots of people in this thread that were bashing it probably own a PS4 Pro by now if they really wanted one sans UHD its a moot point! I can hypothesize that as well from all the this sucks but ill still buy one! Opinions aside the logic is all but sound. And sorry most don't share the same want for the UHD drive simple as that.

 

[MildSoss]

I bought a Pro and would of loved if it would have included one as well. I wouldn't of have even thought about buying an S this past holiday if Sony had included an UHD drive in their "4k" machine.

 

[Sanctuary]

The drugs are obviously not strong enough. That or need what all the people who can't seem to see the logic and still incur that somehow Sony is at a loss for not catering to again a very very small minority in fact lots of people in this thread that were bashing it probably own a PS4 Pro by now if they really wanted one sans UHD its a moot point! I can hypothesize that as well from all the this sucks but ill still buy one! Opinions aside the logic is all but sound. And sorry most don't share the same want for the UHD drive simple as that.

It was annoying when they revealed that it wouldn't have a UHD drive, since I can only assume most people expected that it would come with one. However, with 50+ million PS4s sold, they don't actually need to worry about some additional hardware hook to get more sold that isn't game related. It's not like when the PS3 was launched, and while it would have been nice to have the option of the drive, they seem to know what they are doing. How many people purchased an Xbone S mainly to get a UHD player relatively cheap?

Sony has their own stand alones that they want to sell anyway. They didn't need to put one in the Pro to sell 4K TVs, because the Pro can already do that anyway for those that really care. I'm not actually on the side of "just deal with it", because I can truly empathize with those who still can't wrap their heads around Sony's internal logic. Personally though, even if it did come with a UHD drive, I would have still had to have purchased a separate one anyway due to my particular setup. I didn't know that until recently however.

It's also rather telling (see: bullshit) when they claimed that they wanted it to be a "games first" console, and that's what they were focusing on, when they then turn right around and start citing all the different ways to watch 4K media on the system.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

It was annoying when they revealed that it wouldn't have a UHD drive, since I can only assume most people expected that it would come with one. However, with 50+ million PS4s sold, they don't actually need to worry about some additional hardware hook to get more sold that isn't game related. It's not like when the PS3 was launched, and while it would have been nice to have the option of the drive, they seem to know what they are doing. How many people purchased an Xbone S mainly to get a UHD player relatively cheap?

Sony has their own stand alones that they want to sell anyway. They didn't need to put one in the Pro to sell 4K TVs, because the Pro can already do that anyway for those that really care. I'm not actually on the side of "just deal with it", because I can truly empathize with those who still can't wrap their heads around Sony's internal logic. Personally though, even if it did come with a UHD drive, I would have still had to have purchased a separate one anyway due to my particular setup. I didn't know that until recently however.

It's also rather telling (see: bullshit) when they claimed that they wanted it to be a "games first" console, and that's what they were focusing on, when they then turn right around and start citing all the different ways to watch 4K media on the system.

And its totally fine to have been bummed when you first heard the news. I mean we are months off from that now though that's what I find most laughable.

Also I don't think Sony really cares about who buys an Xbox One S for anything... I mean their first goal first and foremost is to get people to buy their console... not to stop people from buying the competitors consoles. They know the Xbox will never come close in the worldwide market. It was anything but needed for them to add in costs. They took a gamble and the majority are showing to be perfecting fine adopting a console without an UHD drive over one that does... because the numbers and sales show that.

 

[jryi]

I can say it all day; numbers are numbers, and you can't prove that the numbers wouldn't have been higher if the pro didn't have a 4K blu ray player

Which numbers? Unit sales, revenue or profit?

 

[Stop It]

That's what I'm saying to the person that keeps telling me that. He says it's going to be enabled on the pro model. I just don't see how it's possible but he's a addiment it will happen. I trust his word because he works very close with Sony. I hope it's true but I'm skeptical. He also said sonys uhd player 800x releases in February for a pretty nice price.

Is your source Jeff Rigby?

Just asking.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Sony actually received royalties for each UHD drive as they are part of the BDA which is what baffled many once the Pro was unveiled. They are a major partner in the freaking standard

They get cents on the dollar. They hugely helped the standard with PS3 with massive losses because of the BR drive. Their research probably showed that the Pro target group doesn't care about UHD that much, so no point in driving the costs up.

And as many have said previously, they don't want to endanger their UHD player sales with fat margins.

 

[SolidusDave]

And as many have said previously, they don't want to endanger their UHD player sales with fat margins.

That makes no sense as they gain more even by raw profit if they can sell more UHDs overall compared to the handful of standalone players (of this year's model, before at some point they will cost as much as a console anyway and don't really compete) they will sell.

 

[JaseC]

Is your source Jeff Rigby?

Just asking.

I wonder if he honoured the bet that we had. He agreed to pay AUD$100 to Child's Play if the PS4 and X1 had not received a firmware update enabling UHD BD support by January 1st.