I think this election season and the past few weeks have done a lot to stress and expose how conservatives are the most special of snowflakes.
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I think this election season and the past few weeks have done a lot to stress and expose how conservatives are the most special of snowflakes.
nature boy
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Will Jordan ‏@williamjordann 5h5 hours ago
NEW: Trump Job Approval from Economist/YouGov weekly:
Approve: 43% (+2)
Disapprove: 47% (-1)
Not sure: 10% (-1)
Trump Job Approval:
Approve 40%
Disapprove 53%
@GallupNews 2/12-14
NEW: Trump Job Approval from Economist/YouGov weekly:
Approve: 43% (+2)
Disapprove: 47% (-1)
Not sure: 10% (-1)
Trump Job Approval:
Approve 40%
Disapprove 53%
@GallupNews 2/12-14
whyamihere
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http://sos.ga.gov/index.php/general/18_candidates_enter_6th_congressional_district_race
Democrats were most worried that Sally Harrell might jump in, but without her, there aren't really any credible challengers on the Democratic side for Ossoff. GOP side is, of course, a mess.
This is a jungle primary so the top 2 make it to the runoff.
Democrats were most worried that Sally Harrell might jump in, but without her, there aren't really any credible challengers on the Democratic side for Ossoff. GOP side is, of course, a mess.
This is a jungle primary so the top 2 make it to the runoff.
And the most obvious of bullies. They can dish out it, but they sure as hell can't take it.
Also, wb Pigeon.
Here's a question: What female Democratic candidate do you think is relatable?
Michelle Obama. But she's not gonna run...
I'd argue that the system's only working because we're freaking out. Prominent GOPers can't do a public town hall any more, even in the heart of Utah. Jeff Sessions would've probably cleared 70 votes in the Senate if we hadn't come out swinging.
Stuff like this is why we need a DNC chair stat. To test the groundwork we can build on for a national push
Post of the year contender.
pokeystaples
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Took the words out of my mouth. She is...hard to handle. I am used to people like her and normally gravitate towards them, but she is not for the moderates.
whyamihere
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Which is how the system is designed to work.
Also, reminder that Nixon (who basically was a competent, smart, full blown neutral evil version of Trump) was brought down without any massive unconstitutional motions.
Which is how the system is designed to work.
Also, reminder that Nixon (who basically was a competent, smart, full blown neutral evil version of Trump) was brought down without any massive unconstitutional motions.
So which part do you disagree with? The concept of a special election?
(Legit curious, haven't followed your argument to the start)
The idea of a special election after impeaching Trump / Pence - assuming there are no ties from Ryan to Russia. If succession wasn't explicitly laid out in the Constitution, that'd be one thing, but it's explicitly laid out in the Constitution, and assuming Ryan is not tainted by hypothetical Russia related issue that leads to Trump and Pence's impeachment - the Democratic argument for ignoring the Constitution is a basically a very bullshit-y and verbose way of saying "we don't want the GOP in power and we will place our want of power above the Constitution". Which is probably a bad look. The arguments being made are basically trying to justify throwing a coup and someone who is not in the government in any way (Clinton currently) as the president.
Infinite Stars
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After all, they're mostly white and work together to shut down public Schools.
McMuffin's on CNN right now, and boy I almost wish he had won through EC Boogaloo. Sure, he's a conservative, but he had the balls to stand up to Trump and not back down after Trump won
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thepotatoman
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For the record, "generic democrat" and "generic republican" are typically favored over specific individuals in polls. The fact they only included Warren, and not someone like Booker or Gillibrand for comparison makes this really feel like a push poll.
tedrotheredro
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Soros better start printing the paychecks now.
Baron von Loathsome
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Good riddance.
Bonen no Max'd
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I'm not personally too familiar with them, but there's been a few female potential nominees that have been floated around, including the freshman senators (Duckworth, Harris, CCM). Klobuchar's a bit conservative and authoritarian but has roots with working with a labor constituency and won her 2014 reelection in Minnesota by like 30 points, if we're looking at "relatable to blue collar Democrats in the Rust Belt". I'm not a huge Gillibrand fan but she's obviously looking into running and people haven't objected to it in the same way. It's a bit harder when looking at governors because we have only have two female governors in power and neither of them are good fits.
I don't think most of the people here that are objecting to Warren are objecting to all of those as well.
Ah, that makes sense.
I'm curious how the succession works if both Pence and Trump get impeached. Does it just go straight to the Speaker then? Does one get convicted/resign before the other, and the one who's left standing (for however brief a period of time) choose the new Vice President?
Since Agnew already resigned and Nixon replaced him with Ford. But Ford wasn't speaker of the house, he was minority leader and Nixon was basically strong-armed into it by Congress. Pretty sure Nixon was already under investigation by the time Ford was sworn in as VP (which is why he didn't really have a choice in the matter).
My 25th amendment knowledge needs brushing up, obviously.
Baron von Loathsome
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Flynn and Puzder both out in less than 48 hours. Good week so far!
I probably disagree with him on virtually every policy position, but McMullin has been a very frank and refreshing conservative voice the last few months. He did an interview on Keepin It 1600 back in November or December, and I came away really liking him. Hope he does run to challenge Chaffetz's seat next year or in 2020, if Chaffetz ends up running for governor.
Also, on Warren: the shrill voice misogyny is real, even among the left. I know more than a few Democrats -- especially middle-aged and older men -- who voted for Hillary but just didn't like her look or her laugh or the sound of her voice. That kind of bullshit may be sexist but it does influence voters. And I live in the Northeast, so it's easy to imagine that effect being even more pronounced in driving away independents or Never Trumpers out in the Midwest or something. I don't think Warren will be able to escape that kind of bias, and it's partly why I'm into Kamala: she's a strong speaker, but I also think the tenor (timbre?) of her voice avoids that "shrill" sound that Hillary and Warren have. It's pretty gross that this is even a factor, but, well, it's something that impacts voters nonetheless.
I probably disagree with him on virtually every policy position, but McMullin has been a very frank and refreshing conservative voice the last few months. He did an interview on Keepin It 1600 back in November or December, and I came away really liking him. Hope he does run to challenge Chaffetz's seat next year or in 2020, if Chaffetz ends up running for governor.
Also, on Warren: the shrill voice misogyny is real, even among the left. I know more than a few Democrats -- especially middle-aged and older men -- who voted for Hillary but just didn't like her look or her laugh or the sound of her voice. That kind of bullshit may be sexist but it does influence voters. And I live in the Northeast, so it's easy to imagine that effect being even more pronounced in driving away independents or Never Trumpers out in the Midwest or something. I don't think Warren will be able to escape that kind of bias, and it's partly why I'm into Kamala: she's a strong speaker, but I also think the tenor (timbre?) of her voice avoids that "shrill" sound that Hillary and Warren have. It's pretty gross that this is even a factor, but, well, it's something that impacts voters nonetheless.
More Strafing Runs on Our Liberal Icon Tulsi Gabbard, less on PoliGAF kthx.
It would have to be order of operations, basically. If you impeach one before the other, the remaining person gets to choose their replacement - if you impeach Trump before Pence, Pence can get to pick his VP, and if you impeach Pence before Trump, Trump would get to choose their own VP...theoretically. However, Congress (both house and senate) would have to confirm the new VP, which they could refuse to do so. (at which point line of succession leads to speaker of the house)
Alternatively, you can just impeach both simultaneously and it would go to Ryan.
Bonen no Max'd
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Did the news from Cooper get posted? http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...ing-bathroom-bill-n720816?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump moving to make the U.S. much closer to Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-middle-east-allies-explore-arab-military-coalition-1487154600
Uuuuuggggghhhhhh
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-middle-east-allies-explore-arab-military-coalition-1487154600
Uuuuuggggghhhhhh
More Strafing Runs on Our Liberal Icon Tulsi Gabbard, less on PoliGAF kthx.
It would have to be order of operations, basically. If you impeach one before the other, the remaining person gets to choose their replacement - if you impeach Trump before Pence, Pence can get to pick his VP, and if you impeach Pence before Trump, Trump would get to choose their own VP...theoretically. However, Congress (both house and senate) would have to confirm the new VP, which they could refuse to do so. (at which point line of succession leads to speaker of the house)
Alternatively, you can just impeach both simultaneously and it would go to Ryan.
So, if Trump and Pence are both impeached simultaneously, but one is convicted before the other by the Senate, (i.e. Trump goes first), would they be able to choose the new VP even while congressional hearings, etc. are ongoing?
Also, is it possible to convict both simultaneously? Or, would there have to be at least like ~5 min in between the two votes. (This is like midnight recess Garland appointment type constitutional shenanigans)
Will it still be a good week when Trump announces Lou Barletta as Puzder's replacement?
Aaron Strife
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Um excuse me I did no such thing, please stop putting words in my mouth.
I'm not saying what Obama did was bad policy or that he shouldn't have done it, but making solar cheaper than coal isn't going to mean much for the coal miner who lost his job mining coal.
A rising tide lifts all boats but I think when people look at this stuff they want to know above all else what's in it for them. PPACA's greatest PR weakness is that for the people who already have good insurance, it seemingly does nothing, and when the insurance market gets rocked it becomes an easy scapegoat.
I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out for all the good PPACA, stimulus and Dodd-Frank did many of the provisions are a bit too abstract to make clear in layman's terms. In a perfect world, that wouldn't matter because people would have a longer attention span than a fly and would be willing to understand why you need regulations in the health insurance market and why letting people die in the emergency room isn't really a good idea, but we don't live in a perfect world and Trump is president.
My suggestion is that perhaps in addition to better messaging, Democrats should focus on more universal ideas next time - making college tuition free, or implementing the high speed railway. I just think it's easier to sell one big thing than (what is perceived as) a hundred little things. You can still pass a hundred little things, but it's still helpful to have that one big thing to point to.
And I am aware that Obama proposed both of these things, but obviously Congress blunted him there.
This is also why I'd suggest single-payer was so popular with the Sanders supporters this past election - it's a much simpler idea to grasp (everyone has health insurance provided by the government) than PPACA.
whyamihere
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This is fine?
Bonen no Max'd
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Wasn't saying it wasn't, just thought it was relevant news and I didn't see it here.
They could try, but their replacement has to be confirmed by Congress, and if there are impeachment hearings enough that they could convict; Congress is not going to pass their replacement most likely.
I think if you can accuse them both of the same crimes you can try both and convict both at the same time?
That is a big part of our problem - we're really bad at going with one single message with one single takeaway and pounding at it. You can't propose and you can't pass 80 different things at once. This ACA fight is a perfect example, we failed at defending the ACA for years because we included health care with all of our other priorities, so people were thinking "if I like ACA, I have to agree with all these other things", and thus you couldn't get enough popular opinion to shut it down. Now that the ACA itself is being explicitly targeted; it's becoming more popular and people are defending it much more effectively in the public view.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Hillary had a 54% approval rating in January 2013 and was leading every hypothetical GOP candidate by 14 points except Christie (lol).
In November her approval was the same (also +20 overall, +12 with independents) and was leading Christie by 13 and Rand Paul (lolol) by 17.
This means that either:
A) Polls four years out are dumb, or
B) Warren will lose the popular vote 95 to -15 in 2020
Roland_Gunner
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Even if the next Labor pick is as bad as Puzder its still a win since its going to take time to nominate that person and confirm them. Liberals need to accept this is going to be a hundred paper cuts that brings Trump and co down.
Bonen no Max'd
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Kander is too good for this world, I can't believe he lost
Poodlestrike
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Oh that's perfect.
Hillary's approval ratings have always been good when she's been in office. It's the campaign that has been the problem. She's a great bureaucrat, but not a good politician.
Believe it and learn from it.
whyamihere
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There's no way Kander could be this guy if he were actually the Senator from Missouri though.
But that tweet is perfect.
But that tweet is perfect.
Dubbedinenglish
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Not bad
Edit: Beaten by FAKE POST
Rogue Kander is awesome. This man needs to try be President at some point. I wanna see him fight, it'll be glorious.
Roland_Gunner
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AntraxSuicide
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1) Those courts are literally about to be tipped in favor of the EO's if we agree with you and don't block Gorsuch.
2) Flynn got forced out by rogue unelected spooks that are entirely extrajudicial.
3) ACA repeal is only stalled out because of infighting within the GOP. The idea that they care about some random Utah democrats complaining in an R+50 district is insane and totally at odds with the last 6 years.
4) Go ahead and hold your breath over these GOP investigations into Trump. I won't be joining you.
Coriolanus
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All boats that are above the water? Sure. If you under it, you staying exactly where you are tho. Just so happens that that's exactly where the lower strata are.
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