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AMD Ryzen CPUs will launch by March 3
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neurosisxeno
Member
Most of the time that's a bad sign. BUT, for AMD CPU's it's generally a good sign. With Bulldozer they were constantly leaking Benchmarks of BD winning super niche workloads and synthetic benchmarks, and openly showing off charts claiming it would be on par with i7's of the time and win out with 5-8 thread workloads. It was a similar story with Phenom and Phenom II. The last great CPU's that AMD released were Athlon 64 X2's, and with the 64's and X2's they didn't go around talking it up as much as they felt they had to before launch like they did with Phenom/II/BD/PD.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Why are people saying for sure Ryzen IPC is 10% behind Kabylake? That's too big.
I saw some working out where it came to just 4%, which would be completely negligible. But to be honest that could be equally wrong, I'm just lost in the hype a little bit.
I use my 5820K computer for work mostly, and I'm even contemplating selling the CPU, mobo and RAM before this hits for multi-threaded perf that blows it away, cos the price will no doubt plummet soon.
I saw some working out where it came to just 4%, which would be completely negligible. But to be honest that could be equally wrong, I'm just lost in the hype a little bit.
I use my 5820K computer for work mostly, and I'm even contemplating selling the CPU, mobo and RAM before this hits for multi-threaded perf that blows it away, cos the price will no doubt plummet soon.
Locuza
Member
I think if you consider 10% less IPC already as too big you are really lost in the hype a little.
Intel's microarchitecture since Haswell features twice the amount of cache bandwidth and three AGUs for address calculations, this is for example one area where Zen comes short in comparison.
I really would advise to take it easy and expect less.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
10% lower IPC would put Ryzen more than 3 generations behind Intel (Kabylake, Skylake and Broadwell) so that being too high isn't far fetched at all.
neurosisxeno
Member
Being 10% lower per core would probably still be a huge win considering you can get 8c/16t Ryzen SKU's for under $400. If you work with high thread counts that's an insane value. Not to mention AMD's last architecture (Excavator right?) is like 60-70% behind...
I've been waiting a really long time to upgrade. I'm hoping Ryzen will offer the kind of price/performance that the early leaks are indicating. Almost wanted to go ahead and jump late last year, but held off to see what AMD had to offer.
Here's hoping they get the launch right.
Here's hoping they get the launch right.
brain_stew
Member
My predictions? Better than Broadwell-E IPC when utilising SMT (within 5%), slightly less than Broadwell-E IPC (within 5%) in single thread performance. Within 5% of Ivybridge-E when heavily utilising AVX2 instructions.
Bonus prediction, at stock any game that benefits from more than 4 threads (the majority of 2016/17 releases) will run faster on the $200 R5 1400x than a $250 i5 7600k.
Standard overclocks on high end air or basic AIO to be 4.3-4.5ghz.
If it achieves that then it will be impossible to recommend Intel at any price point apart from the ultra low end with the G4560.
Bonus prediction, at stock any game that benefits from more than 4 threads (the majority of 2016/17 releases) will run faster on the $200 R5 1400x than a $250 i5 7600k.
Standard overclocks on high end air or basic AIO to be 4.3-4.5ghz.
If it achieves that then it will be impossible to recommend Intel at any price point apart from the ultra low end with the G4560.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
You're right but because Haswell to Kabylake has been such an incremental improvement it's possible. We'l see.
I don't think any of your predictions are too far-fetched, but I have to remark on this since it's a pet-peeve of mine: making a statement about all or the majority of games while actually only talking about "AAA" games, which in fact form a tiny minority.
I find it utterly inconceivable that the majority of 2016/17 releases will benefit appreciably from more than 4 HW threads. On the other hand, I am quite sure the majority of releases with a budget of 5 million USD or higher will.
brain_stew
Member
Come on AMD, lift the review NDA this week! It would show a lot of confidence in Ryzen. I'm thinking of retiring my recent Xeon 5650 "upgrade", to go for a 6-core Ryzen setup. Give the old one to my brother. This will all depend on what the prices will be like in Canada though.
EDIT: I'm hoping for 1600X to be about $349cdn.
EDIT: I'm hoping for 1600X to be about $349cdn.
Digital Foundry - In Theory: How AMD's Ryzen will disrupt the gaming CPU market
DF: "Has Intel really been ripping us off over the last decade?"
What a silly question.
DF: "Has Intel really been ripping us off over the last decade?"
What a silly question.
Mr. Wonderful
Member
Aren't AMD claiming big jumps in performance generation over generation after Ryzen as well? With Intel hitting a wall with CPU performance recently, AMD could considerably close the gap over the next couple of years.
Pagusas
Elden Member
That's assuming Intel isn't intentionally holding back right now. No reason to think they couldn't scale up Kaby lake/next series to be 6/12ht or 8/16 with the same or better single core performance at the same price entry point of the 7700k now.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Which would admit to how much they were gouging the consumer?
Intel isn't going to give up marketshare out of some fear of tacitly admitting to something everybody is already aware of. As a business, it has more to gain by responding to a fall in demand as the very high margins on its 6c/12t SKUs and above are pointless if people are flocking to cheaper alternatives.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
You mean AVX, as that's what IVB has. AVX2 was introduces with HWL.
FairFriend
Member
should we expect the older AMD cpus, like the 8350, to go down in price? I've got an AM3+ mobo which I don't want to replace, so ryzen wouldn't be an option...
brain_stew
Member
thekiddfran
Member
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
But the difference between AVX and AVX2 is mainly in the integer instructions. AVX OG already had 256-bit and 128-bit semantics (the same as AVX2), just not the full set of integer ops that AVX2 (re-) introduced.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Older components usually don't drop in price like that, due to exactly what you said. People want to keep as much of their current hardware as possible and upgrade.
Ryzen looks like such a big improvement you would be better off just saving more for it. The AM3 platform is old as hell and lacks a ton of modern features.
Feel like the hype is getting kind of crazy. If the rumors and leaks end up being legit I'll regret having gone with Skylake. I don't expect them to be real though, Polaris rumors had the 480 clocking at 1600+ and falling between the 980 and 980ti, then it launched and rarely hit 1400mhz and competed more with the 970.
Terbinator
Member
Digital Foundry - In Theory: How AMD's Ryzen will disrupt the gaming CPU market
DF: "Has Intel really been ripping us off over the last decade?"
What a silly question.
I'm not even sure if they have, in the US at least.
Performance has probably stagnated due to lack of competition, but relative market-segmented CPUs launch price have actually gotten cheaper since Conroe launched. Obviously this isn't 100% fool proof but not much has change don the surface (AMD performance aside.)
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
What do you mean by this, can you explain?
Terbinator
Member
Well the C2DE6700 launched at ~$500 and was the top mainstream Intel CPU at the time (that wasn't the X6800 @ 999). A 7700K is around $350 now and is their top mainstream CPU.
As I said this isn't a completely watertight take on the situation, but the idea of being "ripped-off" for a decade doesn't really add up, more so when you consider just how much mileage people have gotten out of Intel CPUs in that time.
ShadowKingpin
Member
GUISE.
Ryzen CPU photos (I know, I hate the link, too): http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-processor-pictures-final-heat-spreader-design-shown/
Ryzen CPU photos (I know, I hate the link, too): http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-processor-pictures-final-heat-spreader-design-shown/
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Having the logo on the heat spreader like that looks fucking sick. Also, it'll probably be a good detterent for keeping newbie builders from doing this shit:
Buggy Loop
Member
I just want to say.. it's good that they are all unlocked for overclocking, that was some BS with K or Black editions before.
TC McQueen
Member
I hear they might solder the heatspreader to the CPU.
longdi
Banned
To be fair, we used to have 920 at $284 with virtually unlocked overclocking. Then follow the famous sandy bridge pair at $310 and $210. And in the Sandy's lineup, you can even overclock non-k parts. Then Intel taketh away soldered ihs and non-k overclocking, and prices keep creeping up while core counts stagnate.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Inflation is a thing and the price hasn't increased that much. Not to mention if you have a microcenter near you, you can almost always gets a 7700k for $299. I got my 6700k for $259.
Inspectah_Deck
Member
DUDE! These are NSFW!
Could have also linked the original source:
https://videocardz.com/66149/amd-ryzen-cpus-pictured
The complete FX line had soldered heatspreaders, I guess these will too.
ShadowKingpin
Member
My bad on that. Twas' excited.
So you went back over 10 years and then compared the 2nd fastest Intel cpu at that time with a cpu that isn't even on their High-End Socket. Sounds fair. Meanwhile their 2nd fastest today launched for $1100.
Here is another comparison - a Q6600 (from their first line of Quad-Core cpu's) did cost 220 in the middle of 2007, one year later it could be bought for 150.
9 years later their cheapest Quad-Core costs 170 and if you want the same features that the Q6600 had aka oc you have to shell out 230.
Meaning, buying an Intel Quad-Core today is more expensive than it was 9-10 years ago(!)
They also posted a picture of the Box:
https://videocardz.com/66157/amd-ryzen-packaging-pictured-as-well
The cube shape seems a bit wasteful to me, but it is fairly nice looking.
https://videocardz.com/66157/amd-ryzen-packaging-pictured-as-well
The cube shape seems a bit wasteful to me, but it is fairly nice looking.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Admittedly this isn't a bad point. The stagnation has allowed people to get far more mileage out of their CPUs than they would have if the competition had remained fierce.
I am still sporting an i7 3770 that I got back in 2012.
Truth be told, my only real interest in upgrading comes from the chipset features. USB 3.1 SATA3/M2 are now part of all motherboards. Those are the real features that I want. Getting at extra two cores is also a nice bonus.
Its looking more and more like the 1600X will be the CPU for me.
GhostTrick
Banned
Having the logo on the heat spreader like that looks fucking sick. Also, it'll probably be a good detterent for keeping newbie builders from doing this shit:
?
That's a colorful sticker you are supposed to tear off before putting on the cooler.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It would be very stupid to do it right now.
JUST.
WAIT.
Even if you're deadset on Intel, its quite possible that that Ryzen will be competitive enough to push a price cut on the 7700K.
sooo, I've been following all the leakz and new info on the soon to be released Ryzen CPUs and expecially the newly leaked list of AM4 mainboards ...
While I know that no one has a crystal ball and all info we currently have is preliminary and stuff, I want to know one thing ...
Will I gimp the R7 1700 with a B350 mobo ... like, do I need to buy a x370 mobo in order to get the most of the 1700 (mild overclocking without crossfire or fancy liquid cooling kits)?!
While I know that no one has a crystal ball and all info we currently have is preliminary and stuff, I want to know one thing ...
Will I gimp the R7 1700 with a B350 mobo ... like, do I need to buy a x370 mobo in order to get the most of the 1700 (mild overclocking without crossfire or fancy liquid cooling kits)?!