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[Nachtmaer]

sooo, I've been following all the leakz and new info on the soon to be released Ryzen CPUs and expecially the newly leaked list of AM4 mainboards ...

While I know that no one has a crystal ball and all info we currently have is preliminary and stuff, I want to know one thing ...

Will I gimp the R7 1700 with a B350 mobo ... like, do I need to buy a x370 mobo in order to get the most of the 1700 (mild overclocking without crossfire or fancy liquid cooling kits)?!

It shouldn't since B350 still supports OCing, but it'll come down to the motherboard's quality (VRMs and stuff).

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...h-r15-score-close-to-intel-core-i7-6800k.html

This is stunning, $260 Ryzen 5 1600X almost a wash with Intel's $620 HEDT I7 6850K!

 

[thuway]

The most expensive chip- the 500 dollar part- how does it perform against Intel's offerings? Is there an opportunity to buy the 300 dollar party and overclock it to perform like the 500 dollar CPU?

 

[Marmelade]

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...h-r15-score-close-to-intel-core-i7-6800k.html

This is stunning, $260 Ryzen 5 1600X almost a wash with Intel's $620 HEDT I7 6850K!

Looks really good
Should have stuck with my i5 750@3.9 one more year

 

[Deleted member 59090]

The most expensive chip- the 500 dollar part- how does it perform against Intel's offerings? Is there an opportunity to buy the 300 dollar party and overclock it to perform like the 500 dollar CPU?

It's not out yet and there are no reviews. Nobody knows.

 

[wwm0nkey]

Man, I might just take my 6600k and make a multimedia machine out of it and start running a Ryzen

 

[Rushersauce]

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...h-r15-score-close-to-intel-core-i7-6800k.html

This is stunning, $260 Ryzen 5 1600X almost a wash with Intel's $620 HEDT I7 6850K!

And the single thread performance is insane, too!

 

[daninthemix]

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...h-r15-score-close-to-intel-core-i7-6800k.html

This is stunning, $260 Ryzen 5 1600X almost a wash with Intel's $620 HEDT I7 6850K!

I don't get why it only has about 10% more performance than the i7s which have only half as many cores in a multi-threaded test.

What am I missing?

 

[Rushersauce]

I don't get why it only has about 10% more performance than the i7s which have only half as many cores in a multi-threaded test.

What am I missing?

You're missing that this is the 6 core variant and it's sitting right next to the 6core Intel processors.

 

[Inspectah_Deck]

AMD Ryzen 7 1800X/1700X/1700, Wraith Max and Spire coolers confirmed

AMD Ryzen 7 1800X
The most high-end chip called Ryzen 7 1800X will be available with (YD180XBCAEMPK) and without cooler (YD180XBCAEWOF). The new Wraith Max cooler has a thermal design power of 140W and the dimensions are 105 mm (length) x 108 mm (width) and 85 mm (height). The Wraith Max weights 0.545 kg.

AMD Ryzen 7 1700X
Similar to 1800X, the Ryzen 7 1700X will be available in the same packages. The YD170XBCAEWOF does not have a cooler, while the YD170XBCAEMPK ship with Wraith Max cooler.

AMD Ryzen 7 1700
Finally, the Ryzen 7 1700 will ship with new Wraith Spire cooler with TDP of 95W. The dimensions are 109 (L) x 103 (W) and 54 (H) mm and the cooler weights 0.425 kg.

https://videocardz.com/66163/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-1700-wraith-max-and-spire-coolers-confirmed

 

[pestul]

The most expensive chip- the 500 dollar part- how does it perform against Intel's offerings? Is there an opportunity to buy the 300 dollar party and overclock it to perform like the 500 dollar CPU?

I dunno but it certainly looks like you could buy a $300 Ryzen and make it perform like a $1000 Intel one. Crazy.. can't friggin wait for the full reviews.

 

[ThreePiMatt]

Thanks to the generally modest increases in console horsepower, this has probably been the longest I've gone without upgrading my PC so I haven't been following hardware reviews and such. But I'm curious, is there a specific reason why sites are only doing synthetic benchmarks and no actual gaming stuff?

 

[TC McQueen]

Thanks to the generally modest increases in console horsepower, this has probably been the longest I've gone without upgrading my PC so I haven't been following hardware reviews and such. But I'm curious, is there a specific reason why sites are only doing synthetic benchmarks and no actual gaming stuff?

If you're talking about Ryzen leakers, it's probably easier to do synthetic benchmarks than try to get games to run on hardware that might not have full chipset functionality.

 

[PdotMichael]

Yeah, if the benchmarks for the 1800x variant look good I'm gonna build a new system around it.

 

[GruntosUK]

.... is there a specific reason why sites are only doing synthetic benchmarks and no actual gaming stuff?

Strange isn't it, almost like they are trying to hide something...

The hype is was out of control with little to no information available other than leaks.

 

[roytheone]

As someone that still uses an old i7 870, this is VERY promising!

 

[Skytylz]

Strange isn't it, almost like they are trying to hide something...

The hype is was out of control with little to no information available other than leaks.

CPU gaming benchmarks are usually pretty lame. You aren't going to see much difference between the offerings, unless the AMD CPUs are way behind again. Which I hope isn't the case.

 

[Durante]

CPU gaming benchmarks are usually pretty lame.

That depends on how they are performed. E.g. 99% frametime comparisons in scenarios which aren't GPU limited can be very interesting.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Older components usually don't drop in price like that, due to exactly what you said. People want to keep as much of their current hardware as possible and upgrade.

Ryzen looks like such a big improvement you would be better off just saving more for it. The AM3 platform is old as hell and lacks a ton of modern features.


Feel like the hype is getting kind of crazy. If the rumors and leaks end up being legit I'll regret having gone with Skylake. I don't expect them to be real though, Polaris rumors had the 480 clocking at 1600+ and falling between the 980 and 980ti, then it launched and rarely hit 1400mhz and competed more with the 970.

While this is true, there were no real benchmark leaks for the 480 to speak of and guys like Kyle from HardOCP were on the ball talking about how it had performance around the 970. In short, there was reason to believe that the 480 may not end up being as legendary as many had hyped it.

So far, I have yet to see a single negative article come out about Ryzen and it has had a ton of benchmark leaks.

So, I don't feel that the situation is quite the same when comparing the two. There is tons of reason to believe that Ryzen could end up being very competitive.

 

[Marmelade]

Strange isn't it, almost like they are trying to hide something...

The hype is was out of control with little to no information available other than leaks.

The synthetic benchmarks show a big improvement in multi threaded as well as single threaded perf
I'd be surprised if it doesn't translate well in games

 

[jett]

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...h-r15-score-close-to-intel-core-i7-6800k.html

This is stunning, $260 Ryzen 5 1600X almost a wash with Intel's $620 HEDT I7 6850K!

Whoa has AMD actually done it?

 

[TC McQueen]

Strange isn't it, almost like they are trying to hide something...

The hype is was out of control with little to no information available other than leaks.

Well, here's footage from CES of Ryzen and Vega managing up to 70FPS in DOOM while having suboptimal case airflow:
http://hothardware.com/news/amd-veg...uo-for-doom-slaughterfest-at-4k-ultra-setting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mey0DvvdaDo

Until AMD decides to give some info now that we're a week or so away from the official reveal, this is the only gaming stuff we've got.

 

[PFD]

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...h-r15-score-close-to-intel-core-i7-6800k.html

This is stunning, $260 Ryzen 5 1600X almost a wash with Intel's $620 HEDT I7 6850K!

More impressive still is the 95W vs 140W TDP

Also, how does an Anandtech benchmark get leaked?

 

[Khaz]

All these leaks and nothing about the entry level range... I'm mostly interested in the 1200X myself, because I can't decently go for the cheapest 1100 which is supposedly only $20 less but also much slower (overclock = stock speed of the 1200X) and doesn't auto overclock.

 

[Marmelade]

Well, here's footage from CES of Ryzen and Vega managing up to 70FPS in DOOM while having suboptimal case airflow:
http://hothardware.com/news/amd-veg...uo-for-doom-slaughterfest-at-4k-ultra-setting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mey0DvvdaDo

Until AMD decides to give some info now that we're a week or so away from the official reveal, this is the only gaming stuff we've got.

That's a GPU limited scenario though

 

[Kayant]

More impressive still is the 95W vs 140W TDP

Also, how does an Anandtech benchmark get leaked?

It didn't that was edited in based on "leaked" cinebench results. You can tell from the difference in font if you look closely.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

All these leaks and nothing about the entry level range... I'm mostly interested in the 1200X myself, because I can't decently go for the cheapest 1100 which is supposedly only $20 less but also much slower (overclock = stock speed of the 1200X) and doesn't auto overclock.

Well that's because only the 8-core R7 1800x, 1700X and 1700 are releasing in a couple weeks' time. I think next would be the 6-cores, R5 1600X and 1500 and perhaps the R3's after that.

 

[Lonely1]

More impressive still is the 95W vs 140W TDP

Also, how does an Anandtech benchmark get leaked?

This is what I don't get. I find reasonable that Intel has been jacking up prices due to no competition, but AMD being so much more power efficient for the ~same performance?

 

[amstradcpc]

This is what I don't get. I find reasonable that Intel has been jacking up prices due to no competition, but AMD being so much more power efficient for the ~same performance?

Yeah, something is iffy here.

 

[Seronei]

Intels CPUs aren't pulling 140w in Cinebench, nor are they in most workloads. Don't think any but the 6950x gets that high in pretty much anything. Also Intel has 256bit AVX which uses a lot of power(when it's used) which Ryzen does not have, and on top of all of this they usually don't use the same methodology to measure TDP.

AMD isn't 35w more efficent, it's much closer than that. Just how they compare performance/watt we'll have to wait for someone to benchmark and measure power draw in the same workloads.

AMD does have some advanced power saving features that Intel doesn't have though and it's a smaller core with fewer RAM channels and less PCI-E lanes, so it's not completely inconceivable that it's more power efficient than 6900k.

 

[Datschge]

This is what I don't get. I find reasonable that Intel has been jacking up prices due to no competition, but AMD being so much more power efficient for the ~same performance?

Lack of iGPU gives Ryzen more headroom to play with.

 

[Evolution of Metal]

Lack of iGPU gives Ryzen more headroom to play with.

True, but the low-end i3s have the same Intel HD together with a low power consumption.

The locked i7 is less than half of 140w, so perhaps Intel just reserves a ton of power for overclock potential.

 

[ethomaz]

More impressive still is the 95W vs 140W TDP

Also, how does an Anandtech benchmark get leaked?

The Anandtech pic is from the Intel 6800 and 6900 reviews... they added the Ryzen with bad Photoshop skills.

The TDP is not power consumption at all.. it is the marketed TDP from Intel... Ryzen is the possible TDP (it was not official yet).

 

[Lonely1]

Lack of iGPU gives Ryzen more headroom to play with.

Intel's HEDT's don't have iGPUs.

 

[iavi]

If anything, branding is on point

 

[Datschge]

Intel's HEDT's don't have iGPUs.

True, but those add plenty more controllers for different connections that are otherwise only common in the server market.

 

[Paragon]

More impressive still is the 95W vs 140W TDP

AMD's TDP numbers are not comparable to Intel's.
The Ryzen engineering sample they were demoing at a fixed clock of 3.4GHz was within 5W of the 6900K when they were running their Blender power consumption tests.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I am reading the feature set comparing the X370 to B350 and it would seem like the only reason to even consider an X370 is if you want to run Crossfire or SLI.

X370
PCIe 3 Lanes - 24
CrossfireX/SLI 2-Way SLI
PCIe 2 Lanes - 8
USB 3.1 - 2
USB 3.0 - 8
USB 2.0 - 6
SATA 6Gb/s - 8
DDR4 DIMMs - 4
Overclocking - Yes
NVMe - Yes
Price Range ~$149 US+

B350
PCIe 3 Lanes - 24
CrossfireX/SLI - TBC
PCIe 2 Lanes - 6
USB 3.1 - 2
USB 3.0 - 4
USB 2.0 - 6
SATA 6Gb/s - 6
DDR4 DIMMs - 4
Overclocking - Yes
NVMe - Yes
Form Factor ATX, M-ATX
Price Range ~$70 US+

Am I missing something?

Cuz it seems like I could an absolute beast of a system by combining the $259 X1600 with a $100 B350 motherboard.

 

[JaseC]

8x/8x multi-GPU is disappointing.

 

[magnumpy]

I would like to see some other benchmarks than just cinebench, which could be skewing the results one way or another.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

8x/8x multi-GPU is disappointing.

Doesn't the Z270 also have this issue?

My understanding is that there are 24 lanes and 16 of those go to the PCI Express graphics?

 

[Rushersauce]

8x/8x multi-GPU is disappointing.

It's kind of the standard now (sans X Chipsets)

 

[funo]

I am reading the feature set comparing the X370 to B350 and it would seem like the only reason to even consider an X370 is if you want to run Crossfire or SLI.

[...]

Cuz it seems like I could an absolute beast of a system by combining the $259 X1600 with a $100 B350 motherboard.

My thoughts exactly, that's why I was asking if I was possibly gimping the 1700 with a B350 board.
With a single GPU the B350 will be more than enough, it seems.

 

[JaseC]

Doesn't the Z270 also have this issue?

My understanding is that there are 24 lanes and 16 of those go to the PCI Express graphics?

Yeah. Only the 6850K and above offer enough lanes for 16x/16x.

It's kind of the standard now (sans X Chipsets)

Yeah, but with AMD positioning Ryzen against Intel's enthusiast line, I just assumed this included lanes, too. 16x/16x can make a bit of a difference.

 

[Thraktor]

That depends on how they are performed. E.g. 99% frametime comparisons in scenarios which aren't GPU limited can be very interesting.

With the likes of PresentMon/OCAT you could potentially go into an even more detailed analysis of what proportion of frames are CPU-limited, to what extent, etc. Then again I'm the kind of person who wants to see autocorellation functions used as a measure of frame time consistency, so a benchmarking site aimed at me would probably be a nightmarish mess of numbers and scatterplot graphs to most other people.

Anyway, yes, frametime curves for scenarios which are as little GPU limited as possible would be a good place to start.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Curious to see how well the R5 1400X handles games because of its high frequency but will that be a wise decision down the road?

 

[Steel]

Curious to see how well the R5 1400X handles games because of its high frequency but will that be a wise decision down the road?

If you're gonna put in extra money for something, the CPU is your best bet. You'll go a lot longer without replacing your CPU then you will without replacing your GPU.

 

[DarkestHour]

More impressive still is the 95W vs 140W TDP

Also, how does an Anandtech benchmark get leaked?

That is very clearly a photoshop

If you plot the Ryzen CPU's score in a graph of Cinebench R15 benchmark results over at Anandtech containing scores from 20 Intel processors, its score of 1,136 matches up with (and comes out slightly ahead of) Intel's Core i7-6800K. The second screenshot shows single threaded perf.

 

[Terbinator]

So you went back over 10 years and then compared the 2nd fastest Intel cpu at that time with a cpu that isn't even on their High-End Socket. Sounds fair.

Well I went back to the E6700 because that's when the Intel domination began and because it is affordable at the launch price. You're looking for something that isn't there.

Meanwhile their 2nd fastest today launched for $1100.

As I said, it's relative to market segmentation. HEDT with Intel at the minute is literally a money-spinner targeted at a niche. You could argue HEDT back then was with running a Xeon DP config which you could do even before the X6800 launched and for less CPU costs.

Here is another comparison - a Q6600 (from their first line of Quad-Core cpu's) did cost 220€ in the middle of 2007, one year later it could be bought for 150€.
9 years later their cheapest Quad-Core costs 170€ and if you want the same features that the Q6600 had aka oc you have to shell out 230€.
Meaning, buying an Intel Quad-Core today is more expensive than it was 9-10 years ago(!)

I stuck with $ for a specific reason as the price fluctuations aren't as wild. In that time period.

YYeah, but with AMD positioning Ryzen against Intel's enthusiast line, I just assumed this included lanes, too. 16x/16x can make a bit of a difference.

I'd be surprised if a Dual Titan owner didn't have an Intel build.

 

[shark sandwich]

If you're gonna put in extra money for something, the CPU is your best bet. You'll go a lot longer without replacing your CPU then you will without replacing your GPU.

On the other hand, spending that money on a better GPU will get you a lot more gaming performance for your money.