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Has the PS4 surpassed the previous three consoles in terms of quality? (Answer: no.)
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Mass Effect
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Have you seen the PS2's library?
Manmademan
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Ps1 completely dominated the N64 worldwide. It was only really competitive in the US thanks to FPS games like Turok, Doom, and Goldeneye. The gap was HUGE. 100m to about 36m.
Ps2 was even worse. 155 million to about 20m for GC and 24m or so for the OG Xbox. And again the Xbox like the N64 was only really competitive in the US.
The Xbox One is tracking to do better worldwide than the N64 did...probably between 40 to 50 million depending on pricing and what MS does with Scorpio, with the WiiU accounting for another 10 million or so, and PC is getting the lions share of third party software as well.
Ps3 generation aside, ps4 competition is much stronger than it was for PS1 or 2.
Everything but the gameplay was disappointing, MGS5 is one of the best playing games of all time imo, everything else just lets it down.
BigBoss007
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Bloodborne?
kunonabi
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SCE's games are always terrible so they dont factor in to my rankings. I can count like 10 ps3 games I enjoyed that didn't have superior x360 versions. 4 of which got ps4 remasters. The ps3 has the weakest library of any console I've ever owned.
Or games are worse now.
I see people saying that reviewers are more critical this gen, but TLOU and GTAV scored exactly the same. That's just denial, Trump levels of "fake news".
Omnistalgic
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Nah, not yet, I'll make a review thread at the end of 2017 though and see where it stands. I think until TLoU2 and Death Stranding release we won't know.
Randolph Freelander
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CaviarMeths
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I mean on the one hand, I probably play my PS4 more than I played my PS3 at the same point in its life cycle.
But on the other hand, that's because it's my Final Fantasy XIV machine, which isn't even an exclusive.
Nah man. PS1 and PS2, definitely not. PS3 maybe.
But on the other hand, that's because it's my Final Fantasy XIV machine, which isn't even an exclusive.
Nah man. PS1 and PS2, definitely not. PS3 maybe.
Manmademan
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I'm 38. He's not wrong. GTA 1 and 2 sold very poorly compared to what the series did with 3 and beyond. They're hardly "greatest of all time" category.
The ps1 also didn't have the huge amount of indie and arcade games playable via PSN. The ps4 has a ton of these, as well as Vita games playable via crossbuy.
sugarhigh4242
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Omnistalgic
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Nah I think the evidence for critics being harsher is abundant. Stuff like gravity Rush 2 or halo wars would have gotten 9's more often in previous gens, they were very very generous.
letmetrythisname
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In terms of build quality? Sure.
In terms of library? lol
In terms of library? lol
I'm sure I'm forgetting things, but top of my head my favorite PS1 games were Symphony of the Night, Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy IX, Mega Man X4.
Frankly I like all of those better than the PS2's output.
The PS3 had some real winners, but it blurs the lines when my favorite games have been re-released on PS4 in superior iterations (Last of Us, Bioshock, et cet).
How do you reconcile the strength of a console's library and place in history when its release list is usurped by its replacement? If a PSN store or Virtual Console were to perfectly emulate all prior system's releases, would the present console be the greatest of all-time?
Frankly I like all of those better than the PS2's output.
The PS3 had some real winners, but it blurs the lines when my favorite games have been re-released on PS4 in superior iterations (Last of Us, Bioshock, et cet).
How do you reconcile the strength of a console's library and place in history when its release list is usurped by its replacement? If a PSN store or Virtual Console were to perfectly emulate all prior system's releases, would the present console be the greatest of all-time?
Unknown?
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I'm talking about games, dude. That is what we are talking about here in fact. As far as consoles go the Wii U is the best competition for games against the PS4 but nothing compared to the library of GC/N64. Xbox One output is probably the worst I've seen of a big player in the console race post PS1.
Halo Wars not really. RTS console games rarely, if ever, review well. If I had to guess I would say Civ Revolution (RTS lite) is probably the best reviewed RTS console game.
I know PS1 and PS2 had a great diversity of games, but pound for pound I don't think the quality is there. Very rarely are games that bad anymore, unless you include indie games. THQ, Activision, Ubisoft, and EA released scores and scores of bad and terrible games. Nowadays, most games are generally good with only a very few number of bad or disappointing titles.
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It's on track to for me, but probably hasn't yet.
I've never been a Playstation main until this gen really though. I grew up a Nintendo fanboy, starting with NES, so while I had and enjoyed PS1 and PS2 I played more on N64 and GameCube (also had an Xbox later in the gen). Last gen I mostly played 360, had a Wii from launch and only got a PS3 later in the generation around TLOU and went back and played through exclusives.
PS4 was my first platform this gen, as MS lost me with their botched reveal and costing $500 despite being lower powered due tot he Kinect and TV stuff I didn't want. PS4 has thus by far gotten the vast majority of play time. I had an X1 briefly, sold it when they started the play anywhere thing after I'd gotten my first gaming PC in ages. I tried shifting most of my gaming to PC, but Sony exclusives keep pulling me back that way, along with being able to buy physical and sell after beating. The Wii killed off any remains loyalty I had to Nintendo, still have a Wii U but it's my least played console ever probably.
So as long as the releases, exclusives especially, keep coming the PS4 will definitely end up my favorite of the Playstation line. Doubt it can knock off SNES as my favorite console of all time though. To be fair, part of why I'm not so in love with the PS2 is that was just the generation I was the least intersested in games. I had all three platforms eventually, but I was so busy fininishing undergrad and starting grad school that gaming just wasn't a priority. There are a lot of games I loved for sure that still rank high among my favorites, but there were months where I wouldn't game at all vs. always regularly playing something pretty much all the time every generation from NES to present.
I've never been a Playstation main until this gen really though. I grew up a Nintendo fanboy, starting with NES, so while I had and enjoyed PS1 and PS2 I played more on N64 and GameCube (also had an Xbox later in the gen). Last gen I mostly played 360, had a Wii from launch and only got a PS3 later in the generation around TLOU and went back and played through exclusives.
PS4 was my first platform this gen, as MS lost me with their botched reveal and costing $500 despite being lower powered due tot he Kinect and TV stuff I didn't want. PS4 has thus by far gotten the vast majority of play time. I had an X1 briefly, sold it when they started the play anywhere thing after I'd gotten my first gaming PC in ages. I tried shifting most of my gaming to PC, but Sony exclusives keep pulling me back that way, along with being able to buy physical and sell after beating. The Wii killed off any remains loyalty I had to Nintendo, still have a Wii U but it's my least played console ever probably.
So as long as the releases, exclusives especially, keep coming the PS4 will definitely end up my favorite of the Playstation line. Doubt it can knock off SNES as my favorite console of all time though. To be fair, part of why I'm not so in love with the PS2 is that was just the generation I was the least intersested in games. I had all three platforms eventually, but I was so busy fininishing undergrad and starting grad school that gaming just wasn't a priority. There are a lot of games I loved for sure that still rank high among my favorites, but there were months where I wouldn't game at all vs. always regularly playing something pretty much all the time every generation from NES to present.
Same here. It might MIGHT pass PS2 for me, by the end of it's life, but thats a huge MIGHT.
TheKastorian
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Personally, I've been playing more games and spending more hours on PS4 than on any other Sony console (and I've had them all). It's great piece of hardware and too many good games to find time for.
Fallout-NL
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Depends on what you're looking for obviously. If you want games to be more like shitty movies. Great. MGS2 is awesome in that regard, just the best. If, on the other hand, you want a hell of an actual fucking videogame where you make your own fun. Excellent. MGS5 is perfect for that.
I'd say Bloodborne.
On the whole though, to answer the OP's question, the PS4 has a long ways to go before it comes close to rivaling the PS2 library.
grandwizard
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Not even close to the PS2. Gen 6 had the sweet spot of game budgets where you had massive amounts of developers putting out new and interesting stuff on the regular.
Okami Haundo
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PS4 could have the best games in the universe, and I would still knock it for the absolute shit battery life on the Dualshock 4. The OS is still kind of wonky for me too. Things like having to wait for my streaming apps to "load" will always get to me.
As far as first-party titles go, PS4 comes in second for me against Xbone and Wii-U. Switch seems to be a damn strong contender for first place in my heart.
So yeah... Opinions. Definitely nowhere near fully surpassing their current competition or even their previous consoles for me.
Edit: Realized OP is talking about exclusives mainly. Not even close to PS3/PS2 in that regard (for me personally). There have been some great first-party games on PS4, but they're too few and far between for me.
As far as first-party titles go, PS4 comes in second for me against Xbone and Wii-U. Switch seems to be a damn strong contender for first place in my heart.
So yeah... Opinions. Definitely nowhere near fully surpassing their current competition or even their previous consoles for me.
Edit: Realized OP is talking about exclusives mainly. Not even close to PS3/PS2 in that regard (for me personally). There have been some great first-party games on PS4, but they're too few and far between for me.
wild wild rice
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In terms of first party software, absolutely not. As a whole, it's getting there.
sugarhigh4242
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It's funny how Sony emerged this gen as the primary company who "got" gamer's tastes. Oldschool gamers have criticized Sony as being a conglomerate with a gaming wing, rather than a pure gaming company like Sega or Nintendo.
But now, Sony is run by the former top Playstation manager, MS failed to make Xbox a trojan horse for their entertainment strategies, and Nintendo just struggles to keep up in basic ways. PS4 learned all the right lessons from the Xbox 360 challenge last generation (strong online functionality, simple development architecture, reasonable MSRP), and now they've mostly unified the world audience around one platform. There's no reason PS4 can't be the GOAT by the end of the gen, though it still has a ways to go.
ZombiePlatypus
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With the PS2? In terms of build quality, I guess so. In terms of number of great exclusives offered, lmao not even close.
MGS 2 has an absolute ton of make your own fun gameplay too, it's just it didn't have to sacrifice having good level design and pacing or an interesting story for it.
Edit: it also used it to have some excellent boss fights, not the garbage 5 had to offer.
potatohead
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Dude... No.
I'd say the quality of the average game that comes out these days is better than the average game that came out in previous generations. There is a really, really large number of good games to choose from.
So good games: PS4 > previous consoles
But at the same time, the previous generations had a larger number of "great" games when compared to this gen, and while they may not have accounted for the vast majority of the library, they had a big impact.
And that's where the split of opinions comes in. Some people love a larger number of good games to play and think this is the best generation to be in, while others miss the larger number games with a big impact/innovation that knocked it out of the park and feel this generation is lacking due to that.
For me, I'm drowning in games. This is the most amount of games I've ever owned and have been really enjoying this generation right from the getgo and I'm playing more games than ever despite having health problems and other responsibilities that get in the way. Younger, healthier me, would've enjoyed it even more as he would've been able to spend even more time playing these games.
So good games: PS4 > previous consoles
But at the same time, the previous generations had a larger number of "great" games when compared to this gen, and while they may not have accounted for the vast majority of the library, they had a big impact.
And that's where the split of opinions comes in. Some people love a larger number of good games to play and think this is the best generation to be in, while others miss the larger number games with a big impact/innovation that knocked it out of the park and feel this generation is lacking due to that.
For me, I'm drowning in games. This is the most amount of games I've ever owned and have been really enjoying this generation right from the getgo and I'm playing more games than ever despite having health problems and other responsibilities that get in the way. Younger, healthier me, would've enjoyed it even more as he would've been able to spend even more time playing these games.
dead souls
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WTF?
PS2 is arguably the best system of all time. The PS4 clearly has the best lineup of the current gen, but it's not even in the same universe as the PS2.
PS2 is arguably the best system of all time. The PS4 clearly has the best lineup of the current gen, but it's not even in the same universe as the PS2.
Fbh
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Well hey, at least it's nice to see some positive hyperbole on GAF for one
To be fair though I am really enjoying this gen and I think that in a few years PS4 will be able to proudly stand alongside the Ps1, 2 and 3 as one of the better systems in Playstation history. But it's not quite there and in terms of relevance it will probably never reach the Ps2 even if the games themselves are better
To be fair though I am really enjoying this gen and I think that in a few years PS4 will be able to proudly stand alongside the Ps1, 2 and 3 as one of the better systems in Playstation history. But it's not quite there and in terms of relevance it will probably never reach the Ps2 even if the games themselves are better
Linkstrikesback
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Uh, right.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but were you imagining that there was some huge shift in reviewing standards between June 2013 and July 2014 when TLOU and TLOU remastered released respectively? Because that's not what happened. It's a comment on the state of reviewing over a much longer timescale.
People are saying that reviewers are more critical this gen than two - three gens ago, in the PS1 or Ps2 eras. And that's true. That doesn't mean that games can't reach the high 90s, but it's harder because there are so many more reviewers that it just becomes functionally impossible to maintain the highest scores. That, together with a more common 10 point scale instead of 100 points means reviews end up lower than they used to.
Ocarina of time has a metacritic of 99 with 22 reviews; while the 3DS remake, which is as close to objectively the same or improved in any way has only 94 from 85 critics. The 3DS remake actually has 24 perfect scores - more reviews than were even recorded for the original - but also some 20 or so 9/10s which previously may well have been, presumably anywhere up to 95/100, dragging the game down.
This is true for almost any game.
I love my PS4 but yeah. But honestly because games take a lot more time and money to make, I think it's more the fault that companies can't try many different things so you don't get as many unique games out there.
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