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Has the PS4 surpassed the previous three consoles in terms of quality? (Answer: no.)
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Blueingreen
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Ha ha fuck no, just nope, no way in hell lool
You've made an argument for a good game not a good Metal Gear game there is a difference. (even then I could argue that MGS2 is a better overall game)
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Deleted member 125677
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wtf
LegendofDragoonLives
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XV stacks up pretty well with XII and is definitely better than X-2, but X obviously is on another level. This gen the western teams are just straight up better than PS2's era though, then it was Japan running the show in many aspects.
Just gonna disagree heavily with the OS convenience sentiment.
Some of the game installs I've had to deal with along with the god awful download speeds I get from PSN compared to my connection have soured me heavily on console gaming, compared to when it used to be 'put in disc/cartidge -> game loads'.
Raven117
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I mean....I don't...but I tell yeah...I've been playing games in the 80's and I've never had as much good stuff to play as I have now. IMO, last year was on the weaker side for my tastes, but overall..the end of 2014 through beginning of 2015 had some fantastic games come out.
This year is shaping up to be equally as fantastic.
This year is shaping up to be equally as fantastic.
sugarhigh4242
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The Ps2 is pound for pound the GOAT system and not just Sony. Its a lot of road to ho for ps4 to pass Sony's other systems.
shadowsdarknes
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The PS2 will be hard to beat. It was truly a special era for gaming with lots of diverse high and middle tier titles.
But the PS4 is a solid machine in its own right.
But the PS4 is a solid machine in its own right.
sugarhigh4242
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It's interesting how many people in here think PS2 was untouchable. I thought the OG Xbox was a pretty damn strong competitor at the time.
Bolivar687
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The games just aren't coming out fast enough to ever keep pace with the PS3, let alone the paradigm-shifting events of the PS1 and 2. The exclusives aren't as good as they were last generation and to be frank, neither are the indies. Everything is far too focus tested to challenge the creativity or risks developers were taking only a few short years ago.
My tastes have shifted much more to PC, where I can play the same games like Crusader Kings or Dota for years and still discover something new, instead of PS4, where I can continuously buy new games yet I'm still somehow playing the same thing over and over.
My tastes have shifted much more to PC, where I can play the same games like Crusader Kings or Dota for years and still discover something new, instead of PS4, where I can continuously buy new games yet I'm still somehow playing the same thing over and over.
Yeah, let's be real here. That recency bias.
What? This Zelda example doesn't show anything. It's a remake. No remake should ever get as high as a game that was revolutionary and gave gamers a completely new experience. You can't just release the same game and have it get the same score. I don't even think it should ever get a 94. That seems very high and proof that reviewers are not strict.
Giving you a brand new experience is probably the most important thing of all when considering a new game.
Skellig Gra
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No we don't, the diversity of titles and the peaks of quality have never even come close to being matched and never will.
FunkyPajamas
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No. In terms of library (specially exclusives), PS2 is only rivaled by the SNES (and PC of course). I don't think we'll ever get back to having as many third party exclusives of such quality and diversity as in the SNES/PS2 days.
But as others have said, PS4 understandably has the better OS of all Sony consoles (even though I hate that it doesn't support bluetooth headsets) which for me is pretty important. It's got a good library, but nowhere near PS2 levels. Some might argue that it hasn't surpassed the PS3 in terms of library.
The VR addition is huge though.
My man.
Blueingreen
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It's not just the quality, it's the quantity.
We got 3 Final Fantasy games, 2 Kingdom hearts, 3 GTA's, 2 GT'S, 2 Metal Gear's, 3 Devil May Cry's, 2 Silent Hills.
it's surreal to expect that now the PS2 was on a different level, most of these games were released within the first 4 years think about that 3 GTA's in 3 years. I'd be shocked if we see a GTA 6 this gen, I genuinely feel sorry for younger gamers the sheer variety, quantity and quality was unparalleled during the 6th gen, call me a cynic but the industry is so much less exciting now sorry OP but PS2>>>>>>>>>>>PS1>>>>>>>>>>PS4=PS3
Maaaaaardy
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This is how I feel, although I do feel insane playing it. But I just have so much to play, and so much to buy, and it's all so varied. I feel like I am drowning in quality games.
Don't get me wrong, the PS2 was awesome. But the PS3 and even PS1 I feel lack what this console has given me. Outside of MGS and FF7 which were EXCEPTIONAL games, the PS1 has less to offer than the PS4.
kunonabi
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The only exceptions are umjammer Lammy, vib ribbon, and the first two siren games. The gravity rush games might be good too but I haven't managed to play them yet. Still that would be two games per console except for the ps3 which would still be the same result.
Bartholomuse
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I feel like I'm hallucinating here.
Gonna have to dig out my PS1 to try and bleach this thread from memory.
Gonna have to dig out my PS1 to try and bleach this thread from memory.
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Yeah, they really nailed the PS4 design, reveal, pricing and marketing. They really capitalized on MS's mistakes perfectly.
And boy did MS mess up. ME and my gaming buddies were super easy sales for MS after maining 360 last gen. All they had to do was be equal or close in power to PS4, at the same price and not do anything stupid (like the game licensing stuff they tried to pull initially) and we'd all still be Xbox gamers. Now we all either only have PS4s, or main PS4s and play all our online gamers there.
Nintendo was I said has became irrelevant really. None of my buddies have/had a Wii U or cares bout Switch. I have a Wii U, but it's a very complementary console that just gets used here and there. If I get a Switch eventually it will be the same--just a secondary box for the few Nintendo games I still love and some palette cleansers to play something different than I can find on PS4/PC/Indies.
Linkstrikesback
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I can't decide if failing to get my point across is my fault or yours right now, but you completely misunderstood the post. I only used OOT as an example because it's the first game that came to my mind to actually have a decent distance between releases. Comparing games a year apart like the person I initially quoted completely missed the point.
facetheslayer92
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Yup the PS2 was heavily front loaded with software given it was flying off shelves and the release momentum never let up until after the PS3 had come out. The last PS2s were manufactured in 2013 I believe.
I would say it's tied with the ps1 right now for me, bought so many games. But it can't outdo the ps2. Was supposed such a jrpg powerhouse. Ps1 had a lot of jrpgs but it really exploded with the ps2. Now if the ps4 would get a dot hack game or game that was up there with xenosaga then we could talk. Hell I would be OK with just a HD remaster of both series.
Raven117
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Yup. Same here. Maybe its because my gaming tastes have varied a little bit (because the beginning of last gen IMO sucked...everyone wanted to chase the casual market/COD crowed...and damn there just weren't as many varied experiences...so I forced myself to play other genres that were quality but wouldn't have played normally..and I was delightfully surprised).
Now, there seems to be something of quality for everybody. Games are not super-duper casual as many were last gen...and we are getting rich experiences for all tastes.
Indies, Rpgs, Open Worlds, FPS, TPS. I mean...if ya can't find something you like now, then maybe gaming is just not a hobby ya enjoy anymore!
Christberg
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It's the greatest generation system wise, really. The GC also had a very, very good lineup and all 3 were unique in their own special ways. Lots more exclusives back then keeping things interesting.
PS4 will probably never catch PS2. PS3 maybe, got a ways to go. The system is just now hitting its stride I feel.
Taking that into consideration, it's no contest. The PS1 and PS2 libraries have enormous libraries that dwarf that the PS3 and PS4, and on top of that many of the games were A/AA/AAA exclusives of their time. Modern consoles get a few big exclusives each per year and the rest is multiplatform stuff and indies inadequately filling in the void.
To be quite honest, many past consoles like the NES, Genesis and SNES have had far more top-tier exclusives than the current systems.
Manmademan
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Software libraries between the two aren't close at ALL
Omnistalgic
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Yeah, I'm of the opinion PS4 hasn't been the best Playststion system yet. I think it will eventually surpass PS2. For me, it's already caught PS3 halfway through it's generation and is neck and neck with PS1. FF7, MGS, Tekken 3 and Twisted Metal are classics though that still hold it a bit higher on the list. Horizon and Nioh may change things however.
Manmademan
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Not to nitpick, but the ps2 got FIVE silent hill games on it, not 2 lol.
SH2, SH3, SH4, Origins, and Shattered Memories all got a release.
I'm really enjoying what the current gen has to offer. There's some real gems in there (*cough* Bloodborne) but c'mon it's not even a shadow on the PS1, PS2 or even PS3's lineup.
I still have around 50 physical PS2 games I wouldn't part with at any price. Similarly I have 30 or so must own PS3 games that are going nowhere... So far my physical PS4 library consists of 14 games, most of which are remasters from gen 7 (including TLOU, Uncharted Collection, Heavy Rain Collection and The Bioshock Collection).
I think that pretty much tells the story of Gen 8 so far. The Hardware is undoubtedly impressive and the improvements to the UI and social aspects are pretty amazing, but when it comes to the real important stuff it falls short.
I still have around 50 physical PS2 games I wouldn't part with at any price. Similarly I have 30 or so must own PS3 games that are going nowhere... So far my physical PS4 library consists of 14 games, most of which are remasters from gen 7 (including TLOU, Uncharted Collection, Heavy Rain Collection and The Bioshock Collection).
I think that pretty much tells the story of Gen 8 so far. The Hardware is undoubtedly impressive and the improvements to the UI and social aspects are pretty amazing, but when it comes to the real important stuff it falls short.
Okay, but it's not about how you feel and that last part of your post is simply untrue. You asked a question with a definitive, objective answer and that answer is a clear no. You were either too young, didn't have the funds, misremembering or being biased by your (reasonable) attachment to your current system. The PS1 had a huge library of exclusives and very high quality titles.
I toughed it out during those gens with a N64 and Gamecube as a Nintendo fanboy, and even I knew I was missing out on amazing new games practically every month of every year.
Not even close. I'm not understanding the revisionist history ITT. PS2 was the weakest besides DC but it still had (has) by far the best console library ever.
Blueingreen
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It honestly should be a fact of life that the PS2's library obliterates any console before and after it, and I actually like the OG Xbox library had some great times but realistically it's subjective as to whether any of the games were better than anything on the PS2 however it's impartial that the PS2 for the most part had an answer to every game on that system and more.
martino
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go science and do math if you don't fear for your faith.
badcrumble
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The OS is great but no, PS3 had it beat in terms of backwards compatibility and PS1/2 had it beat in terms of raw native library.
Omnistalgic
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disagree mate...I think it's already caught PS3. Remakes or not, I can't go back and play TLoU on PS3 after the superior version of it, and Ratchet and clank is still better than some of crap Ratchet games on PS3. Plus you are forgetting the quality of Indy titles has risen dramatically. We are getting much more Journey level games now from indies like The Witness, Inside, Transistor, Resogun, and Rocket League. GTAV for example is waaaay better on this gens platforms.
It's closing in on PS1 IMO. Especially if TLOU2, GOw, and Spider-Man deliver.
Maaaaaardy
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Okay, but how do you feel about opinions? I played a lot of every console, way more of the PS1/2 than anything else, and I am really enjoying the PS4. Probably because I have more clear memories of it, but I definitely would say for me the order currently goes 2>4>1>3 though. It's been great so far.
Remembering all the fantastic games for the PS2 has reignited my fondness of the console, reading the thread has been really nice (Not so nice in places, but that is the internet!) and that's why we make them. For discussion. And I have absolutely no problem discussing my opinions and others opinions.
Greatest Ever
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Mod title edit again? Jesus.
kunonabi
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Only 2 and 3 are worth playing though.
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