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Phil Spencer thinks this is Xbox's best generation so far
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chronic_archaic
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Probably not, but it's a good turnaround. It's like if Sony said PS3 was the PlayStation's best gen. No way.
Dreams-Visions
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Xbox 360 ~ Xbox >>>>>>>>>>>>>> XBone.
OG Xbox was great with its original IPs and birth of Live... and the 360 was godtier with its industry-leading online experience, achievements, etc.
Xbone ownership has felt bad more often than it felt good.
OG Xbox was great with its original IPs and birth of Live... and the 360 was godtier with its industry-leading online experience, achievements, etc.
Xbone ownership has felt bad more often than it felt good.
Metalingus5150
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For all the PS3 comparisons. PS3 had Demon's Souls. PS3>Xbone
I think as the face of Xbox he either has to say that or avoid saying any period was the best. And they'd always been like this, saying that "this is the best year in Xbox history." You're not going to get a really good answer until that isn't part of the job anymore, and they may well feel that way still anyway.
Microsoft does seem to do it more than the other two and it really does annoy me, but we need to consider their positions and know that this is at least partially PR speak.
Microsoft does seem to do it more than the other two and it really does annoy me, but we need to consider their positions and know that this is at least partially PR speak.
Iced Arcade
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"Early life of the 360 was great"
Am I the only one who remembers the first year of the 360? Was almost a complete drought of games from launch titles to a year later.
Phil also could literally say "hi" and gaf implodes lol
Am I the only one who remembers the first year of the 360? Was almost a complete drought of games from launch titles to a year later.
Phil also could literally say "hi" and gaf implodes lol
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
That was five years into the gen. MS still has time to make the comparison to 360 even less favorable.
| Praxis |
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I kept my PS3 all these years and sold my Xbox One after 10 months...
Lord of Ostia
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I don't think a console being more powerful makes it better. I think the games and quality of games are what makes a console great, but obviously you have different criteria since you say it's the best ever yet you are disappointed with the software.
My experience with Xbox One has been the complete opposite to yours regarding the OS, download speeds, installations, storefront, and chat/online functionality. In my experience the PS4 trounces the Xbox One in all of those categories. However, these things are obviously incredibly subjective, seeing as you and I can own the same two consoles and have wildly different experiences. Can you see why I don't find that to be a compelling argument for either console to be 'the best'?
SamuelSupreme
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He could have just said something along the lines of The best is yet to come or some shit rather than just bold face lying.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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When did Phil start doing coke?
You're clearly wrong because it doesn't exist anywhere else on Earth.
Remember the blades? Remember the fall that ME, Bioshock, COD4, Orange Box and Halo 3? Remember PGR? Remember how despite the RRoD, they still had people lining up to buy another? Remember achievements/party chat/in-game home menu?
I don't think the 360 had the best ending to its cycle, but you gotta admit those first couple of years they were on fire.
I don't think the 360 had the best ending to its cycle, but you gotta admit those first couple of years they were on fire.
thanks. we'll put this on the list of useless anectodal evidence
thats a huge ass list on GAF
Dreams-Visions
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yea this.
I've been gaming on the Box as my primary console since 2004 I think. I've had every Box and at this point their hardware feels like it only gives me more Halo, Forza, Gears +1 random 1st/2nd party alternative. Give or take.
I remember when shit like Project Gotham, Crimson Skies, Mech Assault, Kameo, Conker, Viva, and Perfect Dark were great IPs with bright futures to look forward to. And while all of those aren't necessariallu owned by MS, most of them are and they simply let them die, usually after just one release.
They've learned the wrong lessons about how to expand their player base and lost the understanding that a broad base of fantastic first party software gives people a compelling reason to pick up your hardware.
As it stands today, if I don't care about Halo, Gears or Forza (and I don't; my interest in those IPs are gone) what's left coming from MS to justify the price of admission and Gold? Sunset Overdrive? That's going to go on the pile of great games never to get a sequel. KI? Quantum Break? I'm not convinced either will get sequels.
By comparison, if I X out Sony's top 3 IPs, it feels like there are an innumerable amount of first, second and third party exclusives to go for, Nioh and Horizon being only the most recent examples. What were the last 2 new Xbox exclusive IPs that scored in the ~90 Metacritic range? Feels like a long fucking time ago indeed. But maybe I'm wrong. I dunno for sure, this is just how it feels. As it stands, my Bone Elite is probably going to be my last Box. My 1080 does just about every Box game better than the Box does it and with a Switch, PS4 and PC I just don't know what its purpose in my life is anymore. And that's hard for me to say as a Bone owner for nearly 15 years and a Gold member since it launched. MS doesn't seem interested in retaining me; only catering to the crowd that just wants annual installments of the same game franchises. That's not me.
RIP me, I guess. I'm sure I won't be missed anyway.
MotionBlue
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Microsoft PR has investigated Microsoft, and has determined that Microsoft is the best thing ever.
goldenpp72
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Sure, but OG xbox was also only alive around 4 years, and I believe Xbox One is about to hit that same timeframe. The 360 in its lifetime (8 or 9 years i'd say) hit around 80 million units I think, I simply doubt it will come anywhere near that in the end considering the dire list of exclusives and the lack of multiplatform superiority in contrast to the PS4.
It's a shame too, the 360 was by far and away my go to system, as was the original Xbox. It's sad to see the state of affairs as they are.
Thing is, 360 started blowing up as time went on, where as I expect Xbox One to tapper off instead, it will be like a reverse cycle unless Scorpio does some kind of magic trick.
Man seriously the Wii U was basura.
Triggerhappytel
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You're not wrong, but on the other hand from late 2006 up to 2010 it had a constant stream of great software. It was in the position the PS4 is now, in that it got a lot of titles as de facto exclusives as they didn't show up on PS3.
Thank you for speaking for old school xbox gamers who really see what is happening. I don't know.
like what? I honestly can't remember many games that match this description
Suburban Thug
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2007 was insane...
There's just a lot lacking on the Xbox One right now. There are a ton of Japanese console games that straight up miss the platform, the lack of first party, and the recent cancellations make it seem pretty dire right now.
I really don't know where they go from here. Like, they aren't suddenly gonna build up several new first party studios.
I think they need to get back to basics and look at what worked with the 360. I mean, some partnerships they made with that console were groundbreaking. Gears anyone? Lost Odyssey? The first Mass Effect? Where the hell was any of that shit this generation? I'm not trying to downplay the partnerships they made this gen, but those clearly didn't make a huge impact.
Single player story heavy exclusives are lacking too.
I really don't know where they go from here. Like, they aren't suddenly gonna build up several new first party studios.
I think they need to get back to basics and look at what worked with the 360. I mean, some partnerships they made with that console were groundbreaking. Gears anyone? Lost Odyssey? The first Mass Effect? Where the hell was any of that shit this generation? I'm not trying to downplay the partnerships they made this gen, but those clearly didn't make a huge impact.
Single player story heavy exclusives are lacking too.
travisbickle
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Even as an armchair CEO I wouldn't know what to do with the XB1?
I've said before they should have put some money down to get ports of Japanese games, just for day and date with PS4 but I feel as though MS want some kind of exclusivity if they spend money.
I've said before they should have put some money down to get ports of Japanese games, just for day and date with PS4 but I feel as though MS want some kind of exclusivity if they spend money.
Bioshock - came to PS3
Gears - doesn't meet his criteria of "de-facto" exclusive, it was a legit exclusive
Mass effect - came to PS3
Lost Odessy - doesn't meet his criteria of "de-facto" exclusive, it was a legit exclusive
Witcher 2 - checks out
Minecraft - came to PS3
Katamar - came to PS3
ElBoxyBrown
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Old School Xbox Gamers Vs. New School Xbox Gamers?
lol
lol
PS3 was really great by the end. In terms of first party alone, I'd say it might have been their best gen, but I wasn't as involved in the Sony ecosystem prior to PS3. Never had a PS1 (caught up via PSN classics) and got a PS2 in 2004.
Just to put things into perspective, at the same point in its lifecycle as the XB1 is now, the PS3 already had MGS4, Uncharted 2, Demon's Souls, and God of War 3 as exclusives. I'd say all 4 of these are classics at this point. I can't really think of XB1 exclusives that will be considered classics by next-gen beyond maybe Forza Horizon 3.
FinaruDensetsu
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I dunno if there was another katamari but there definitely was at least one katamari game on ps3. I have the platinum trophy for it.
The only "defacto" exclusives that come to my mind are the Cave games.
gow3isben
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Correction. The Xbox 1 was ruined with the Kinect focus. 360 Kinect did just fine.
Dash_Riprock
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For the first year or so. I distinctly remember finding them new for like $20 on eBay near the end.
Crayon
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This would be a fun thread premise.
"Phil Spencer is surrending the helm to apply his gift of gab and risk aversion as an uber driver. You are now the XBOSS. What do you do tomorrow? A month from now? A year from now?"
Juke Joint Jezebel
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Sorry Phil, but this doesn't stack up to the 360 like, at all! I know he has to say these kind of things what with him being the boss of the division but yearh, the XB1 is the most piss-poor of all of this gens systems for me.
Outrun
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Some of these posts on here are cringeworthy...
The man is trying to do his job.
His big mistake was responding to social media.
Dash_Riprock
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I mean, do you see Kaz or anyone at Sony or Nintendo responding to console war stuff?*
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Unless of course that fake Kaz account on Twitter really IS Kaz, which given that he mentioned it at CES makes it a 50/50 chance for me...
Nydius
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Yep, I pretty much said the same thing several pages ago. It's ridiculous to stop and think about all the properties Microsoft had promoted in the original Xbox era and in the first half of the 360 era only to completely shift track and become risk averse (outside of Kinect).
Remember Quantum Redshift? They had a legit contender that could go head to head with F-Zero and Wipeout and just let it die. So many franchises, so many opportunities, all put out to pasture because they either lacked the foresight, the initiative, or the desire to promote them.
Like you, Halo and Gears just don't hold any magic for me anymore. That leaves very little that makes me interested in buying a Microsoft box, especially when the few games I might care about will be playable on Windows 10 anyway.
Off the top of my head and just from memory I can think of:
Saints Row (the first and best one)
Far Cry Instincts Predator (loved this one, great value)
Splinter Cell Double Agent (temporarily, but PS3 version was busted when it finally came out)
Mass Effect (for a looooooong time)
Lost Planet (for a looooong time, I'm not even sure the PS3 version ever came out)
Dead Rising
Bioshock
It also happened on the original Xbox, with games like Doom 3 and Riddick. Not to mention that the original Xbox and the 360 both used to have the better multiplats by a fairly significant margin. Even that advantaged started going away around 2010, as people figured out how to program for PS3.
I'm sure there's a lot more I'm forgetting, but these are absolutely massive games. I was a primarily Xbox gamer myself from 2003 to around 2010, at which point I massively switched over to Sony because they won me over in a huge way.
And lets not forget RROD!
Facts.
ok but Double Agent, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, and Bioshock all came to PS3 eventually. I don't mean to harp on it but the poster said "a lot" and I just don't see it
now that you mention Splinter Cell I do wonder about Conviction though, did MS publish that?
SenjutsuSage
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I'm of the opinion that the Xbox One's greatest weakest, so far, is in the japanese RPG category, and it could definitely use a better lineup of Japanese titles period. However, the problem with statements like this, as close to accurate as a lot of it may be, is they don't, and never really could, adequately account for what constitutes true value for any particular gamer.
PS4 has more games period means.. what exactly? What do you mean "more?" Quantity? That's a whole lot of nothing for people that don't cater to certain types of games to begin with. And as it pertains to exclusives, or console exclusives as some have to be called, the Xbox One has had some rather well received games (I would also argue they are among some of the better released games this gen) this generation. Quantum Break is amazing, and is honestly one of the best games I've ever played. I just love what Remedy did there. Sunset Overdrive is in the same category of just plain being a fantastic game. I can say this even as someone who hasn't even beaten that game yet. Work gets in way, and I generally distract myself with too many games at once anyway, but I always get back to them. Ryse, to me, was also a fun ride and a much better experience at launch than what I had ever expected, even as someone who was seriously anticipating it. I was hyped as hell for that game, but it honestly exceeded my expectations, if that makes sense. I just wasn't expecting specific things to be handled as well as they were, so I came away from it feeling that it over-delivered. It could've been even better, yea, but that's true of most games, so nothing really new there.
People will say that's a launch game, but then Quantum Break just came out last year, and I don't know if many still remember that fact,, as did Forza Horizon 3, so there really isn't this big inability for Microsoft to release damn good games for years at a time or anything insane like that. Every year since Xbox One has been out, there has been very good to excellent releases to support the system. Halo 5 is still one of the best games I've played all generation, I fucking loved the campaign, and am dying to see where 343i take the story. The possibilities are crazy. Team commands in Halo, and getting to command fucking Blue Team and a separate Spartan Fireteam in general, that shit was fucking awesome! It may not be a big deal for others, it was everything to a fan such as myself. And don't even get me started on the movement and traversal improvements made to the series that change the way Halo is played for the better as far as I'm concerned. The often criticized Halo: Master Chief Collection is an amazing piece of value for fans of the Halo franchise, just like the Uncharted Collection that were released for the PS4.
So while people are essentially looking at this thing from a detached, very by the numbers manner, I believe they are not appropriately capturing the reality of the value offered by what Microsoft has put out from a games perspective, and are also indirectly downplaying the very important role that 3rd party releases play, and will continue to play, to that overall question of "value."
The biggest area of significance (besides just not liking that there aren't more JRPG announced for Xbox One), to me, in which Xbox One has been lagging behind PS4 is in new game announcements, and just a general gap regarding fan knowledge of what's on the way. A lot of the stuff that so many people talk about on here, aren't even released for the PS4 yet.
Unless you have and are playing Persona 5 in Japanese, that game essentially isn't out yet for people, and that's one of my most wanted games period.
Shenmue III isn't out.
The new god of war isn't out.
The new last of us isn't out.
FF VII remake ain't coming anytime soon, is also episodic in nature, so releases will be staggered.
Kingdom Hearts, which is multi-plat, isn't anywhere in the immediate horizon as far as I'm concerned.
Spider Man by Insomniac isn't out yet
Horizon Zero Dawn is just now releasing.
PS4 Days Gone isn't out yet.
Dragon Quest for PS4 isn't out yet.
Combine all this with the fact a major title, Scalebound, was canceled, and naturally you have yourselves a lot of doom and gloom going around, but there isn't any such doom and gloom that has any basis in actual fact. If people are gears fans, you just got a new game released late last year. For this year you have Crackdown for people who are into that. We have a new Rare IP coming that's pretty much an open world pirate MMO. Microsoft apparently has more titles that they haven't even announced yet. Generally, there is no reason to be overly doom and gloom about the state of games on xbox right now unless Microsoft literally has ZERO things in the pipeline that they haven't announced, which we all know really and truly isn't the case. Microsoft also needs to do better to get more of those obscure japanese releases that PS4 is getting constantly, and that the 360 was able to get more often. I suspect a part of it may have been that there wasn't enough focus paid to the Japanese market, so naturally their studios didn't see the need to consider xbox. And, yes, people will mention other PS4 titles that I didn't mention, but it's not like I listed every xbox game either.
So what's the conclusion? The idea of Xbox somehow having this huge games problem is one of internet/games forum creation. We're too busy looking at this whole thing like it's a 24 hour media news cycle. We're being the gaming equivalent of TV political pundits, and as such, in search of things to discuss, are way overreacting with this Xbox doesn't have games shtick. Microsoft just needs to reveal more, and do a better job on japanese developer support.
Fox Mulder
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I've been an Xbox fan since I bought the original for halo CE a few months after launch. This isn't the best gen by my metrics.
kingwingin
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When he says "our best yet" he is speaking from microsofts view. Not how much more fun xbox one is over 360
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