Over here it's selling like mouldy bread.
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Phil Spencer thinks this is Xbox's best generation so far
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Amazing.
Absolutely amazing.
It's like you read everything I wrote and understood none of it.
You need to go back to that first thing I wrote:
"Different strokes for different folks".
It's a colloquialism. I understand, but what it means is:
People can like different things and there's nothing wrong with that.
I'm happy you like Street Fighter V.
I found it to be a dumpster fire based on what Capcom did to Ibuki, a beloved character going back to the 1990's who they absolutely ruined by removing her move set she had for 20ish years.
And that's fine. You can like dumpster fires. I think you're quite brave for liking dumpster fires actually.
But Phil stated an opinion. It's an opinion that maybe doesn't work for you and your love of hot garbage on fire, but it does for other people.
I get this thread, I do. But I don't understand calling the guy a liar or corporate shill as some have for his opinion.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even Phil Spenser...And even people who enjoy the smell of hot burning garbage.
I don't think they're gonna give us a desktop in the LR, nor would I want one personally.
What they are giving us is one core of Windows with a multitude of faces that share apps (UWP).
That's why we're seeing thing like Kodi head back to Xbox.
Mine too. Easily.
But I like where it's headed post Mattrick and think Scorpio will be 360 round 2
It's not a minority opinion in my circle. I use my PS4 in almost the same vain, a Naughty Dog machine. All other games like Destiny and Overwatch the majority of my friends exclusively play on Xbox.
The argument is Jason saying that Microsoft can't compete on first party titles, which then warped into the notion that Phil is some Trump like figure cheating over those that actively play on their Xbox which isn't the case. It's a stupid Sony vs. Microsoft fanboy argument.
Well it sold over 2 million copies which is fantastic for an RTS game on consoles. I believe at the time MS head some sort of a headline about it being the best selling console RTS game ever.
RichiRamjag
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I mean honestly....He is.
Most corporate figures are. Part of his job tbh. Nothing wrong with that. It's when folks delude themselves into thinking the relationship is anything more that's the problem.
MatrixMan.EXE
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I'm talking about the past year or so. It's very obvious to me and a bunch of people mentioned it in the Scalebound cancellation thread as well.
Xbox One gets as many things wrong as it does right IMO.
When they get it right they really nail it (controller, XBL, backwards compatibility, GWG, Halo 5) when they get it wrong they fall face first (the reveal, Kinect, studio closures, Halo MCC, Scalebound). On balance I don't think it's the best Xbox but we're only 3 years in and they've shown themselves willing to fix their mistakes so who knows?
When they get it right they really nail it (controller, XBL, backwards compatibility, GWG, Halo 5) when they get it wrong they fall face first (the reveal, Kinect, studio closures, Halo MCC, Scalebound). On balance I don't think it's the best Xbox but we're only 3 years in and they've shown themselves willing to fix their mistakes so who knows?
klabautermann
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While XBOX was always my last purchase of the past 3 gens, this is the first time I haven't felt even slightly compelled to buy one within the first like 5 years since launch. I'm not the market considering I only play Japanese games, but they've dropped the ball harder on that front more than they ever have.
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Omnistalgic
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Ok...I gotcha...and lol at Ibuki, I hear some pros are using her at least '-)
Fair enough, I figured the thread was more a comparison thread for the consoles. But you're right, it's just his opinion, and a reasonable one at that.
RichiRamjag
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Love that Reggie-like twist/spin you put on that.
Made me chuckle...
Should add in that Reggie line about friends from high school calling.
The Xbox One S is probably the best console that's ever been made, in terms of sheer quality, in big part thanks to the newest update (it's not out for everybody yet). Great controller, Live is waaaay better than any other online service, etc etc.
But the games, man. The games just are not there. Microsoft is really disappointing me on the software front.
But the games, man. The games just are not there. Microsoft is really disappointing me on the software front.
OK, come on now. If you hadn't done the former, then the Xbox would be a great addition. That's your own decision. Painting the Xbox as nothing because you already created basically a much more expensive Xbox is a bit disingenuous.
I used to work at GameStop during my college years and I remembered coming to work one day and we had like 2 feet high of halo wars games traded the next day after its release date. I believe halo wars sold that amount because gamers thought it was an fps.
ThEoRy...
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I don't feel like it's the xbox brand's best generation. They started out bad, kinda turned things around but still fell behind. They don't have the Japanese presence the 360 had what with the Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon games etc. With that being said, I'm still having fun. I shall continue to do so whenever scorpio comes out as well. That should put them in a better place too but I guess the damage has been done this time around.
So I don't really put much weight in what Phil is saying. I mean what is he supposed to say? "we're not doing as good as we'd like to do" or, "we'll get em next time" I wouldn't call the guy a shill or anything but he is a company mouthpiece so his opinion would be biased.
So I don't really put much weight in what Phil is saying. I mean what is he supposed to say? "we're not doing as good as we'd like to do" or, "we'll get em next time" I wouldn't call the guy a shill or anything but he is a company mouthpiece so his opinion would be biased.
SavoyPrime
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Phil on a spaceship lol
Actually acting as if the types of games for the region that they are being sold in doesn't matter is a bit ridiculous. Same reason the Xbox never sold well in Japan - because they like their style of games and not FPS.
NeoGAF isn't "the general public" and most of the general public in the US buys Call of Duty and Halo and Gears of War. Not Yakuza, Dangaronpa, Toukiden, Tales of Zestiria, BlazBlue, Persona, Aragami, Hatsune Miku, etc. It's great they exist and some people really like them. But you walk up to any average gamer on the street in the US and whether they have an Xbox or PS4, they aren't listing any of the second list nor have they probably even heard of them.
But if you like Japanese games, those are the reason you'd want to buy a PS4 over Xbox One if price is equal. PS has a bunch of games free every month on PS+ but I don't ever play them because I've never heard of any of them and I have no interest. So, quantity isn't a big selling point.
cripterion
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Lol it's the total opposite but coming from where he is he can't really be honest here. All they can do is keep trying to ride that Scorpio buzz, seems that's what they've been doing ever since they announced the damn thing.
What does live do better than other services? I guess it has been down less than psn last year But that's not saying much. The interface of the Xbox is still slow as fuck, installing games is still a chore and when you talk about the controller are you talking about the Elite? Cause I was a big fan of the original controller but they're even more shitty than the PS4 ones considering I haven't used mine that much and one has a dead d-pad and left stick drift. Meanwhile 360 ones still rocking strong.
What does live do better than other services? I guess it has been down less than psn last year But that's not saying much. The interface of the Xbox is still slow as fuck, installing games is still a chore and when you talk about the controller are you talking about the Elite? Cause I was a big fan of the original controller but they're even more shitty than the PS4 ones considering I haven't used mine that much and one has a dead d-pad and left stick drift. Meanwhile 360 ones still rocking strong.
Would not surprise me if that was the case. It came out in 2009. You could practically put Halo on anything and it would sell.
Valid criticisms. Not sure what you're getting at with #5, but the Store overall could use some more user friendly design.
Nah XB1 is behind 360 in WW sales. I honestly dont know where this alternative fact comes from. The only place where they are theoretically close or better than 360 is the US and even that is likely to change this year unless the Scorpio provides enough of a boost to overcome the influx of sales the 360 enjoyed when Kinect first released which seems kind of unlikely tbqh.
There are tons of UWP apps on the Win Store that would be great little time wasters on Xbox, but ya know, most of those are free, so cant have that taking away from real
$60
The controller build quality varies a lot. I have had 4 XB1 controllers in my possession and the current one I own (a standalone black bluetooth model) is easily the best I've had.
I believe you are off by a year on the Kinect. It came out in 2010 (2009 = 2017) but it does not deter from the gist of your post.
Unaha-Closp
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Its nice to think things. Does not make them true. If it did I would have been having sex with Cindy Crawford over 20 years ago. Yes I'm old - shut up youngsters.
It's up to developers if they put it on Xbox. Not MS.
Some games already made it over due to it being a UWP - Fallout Shelter for example.
goldenpp72
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It's been out over 3 years and I don't think is even near the 30 million mark right? If so that's hardly 'hot cake' worthy, unless we think of Wii U as the baseline of 'fine' sales, heh.
cripterion
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I'm just surprised cause the controller is like brand new and it didn't get a lot of use, this issue is really shitty, looked on Internet and saw people had that from brand new controllers. I don't mind the wear and tear after years or use but this is something else. But as you say it's a lottery (my day one controller is fine actually)
It's around the same ball park as 360 launch aligned. Wii U ended up at 13.56 million. GC lifetime was 21.74 million. OG Xbox lifetime was 24 million.
Ah no you're right my bad. Its a bit early in the morning here so I had a bit of a brain fart. Well I could see Scorpio boosting XB1 sales past 360 for a while but I really doubt it would sustain any sort of momentum long enough to overcome the boost kinect ended up giving the 360 later on. Again this is only in the US. WW its already a lost battle.
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King Gilga
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lol what at joke.
At this point the 360 had a bunch of games I was interested in.
The xbone has like, half of a game I care about maybe?
At this point the 360 had a bunch of games I was interested in.
The xbone has like, half of a game I care about maybe?
-MD-
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The most exciting thing about Xbox One for me is a collection of 10-20 year old Rare games.
Waddle Dee
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Phil is all PR talk. Rarely comes off as genuine. Don't understand why some like him so much.
The 360 was obviously Xbox's best gen. No question. It was dominating Sony for a good few years and managed to stay neck and neck to the end.
The 360 was obviously Xbox's best gen. No question. It was dominating Sony for a good few years and managed to stay neck and neck to the end.
Lord of Ostia
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Eh, can't really agree on that one. I found my Xbox One's interface to be slow and clogged, the download speeds were much slower, install speeds were slower, store was more of a hassle to navigate. This is just my opinion, obviously, but you can't definitively say that the Xbox One S is the highest quality console on the market. It doesn't do 4K gaming compared to the PS4 Pro, for one, and it isn't as powerful as the base PS4 or Pro, which leads to lower resolution for some titles. It also just has less titles released on it overall. How are you possibly measuring that it is the best, outside of parameters that are extremely subjective?
Agreed. I think MS would be pretty happy if they hit 55 million by end of 2020. I guess that number will depend on how much of a boost Scorpio provides. They could just as easily end up around 46-49 million.
Unknown Soldier
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It's really not though. It's ahead of the 360 launch aligned in North America but it literally doesn't exist anywhere else on Earth.
Better connectivity, faster/more reliable downloading, better voice chat (I STILL have weird issues with PS chat where I can't hear people even tho we're in the party). It's up more. It's more robust vs DDOS stuff. It's quick to sync saves and stuff. It's really cool.
The new interface is nice and snappy; it was bad on the black Xbox One. It's way better on the S.
Installing games is easy; find the game in your download list, tell it to download, and it downloads. Managing your library is the best it's ever been on a console. Plus, the console's better at providing basic information (how fast it's downloading, etc) right from the main page (thanks to the new update) and in the library software (in the lower left, at all times). It's much better download experience than any other console I've owned. Second only to Steam in terms of library management.
As for the controller, sorry you've been having trouble; most of the complaints I've personally heard about controllers this gen are about the DS4 thumbsticks falling apart. I personally have no problems with the X1S controller. Maybe the original X1 controller didn't work out well, but I don't have one of those.
That said, I do prefer the 360 controllers.
Most powerful =/= best. PS2 was the best console of its generation, and it was the weakest one. I don't care about console resolutions at all as a PC gamer.
If im not wrong, Xbox One is doing well on UK, Brazil, Mexico and to some extent Australia. Not comparing it to PS4, which is a selling at an outstanding pace, but its far from being an US only console.
Poimandres
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I wonder if he actually believes this or if it's just PR posturing? We will never truly know!
Personally, I don't think the first years of the Xbox One can compete with the first years of the Xbox 360.
Personally, I don't think the first years of the Xbox One can compete with the first years of the Xbox 360.
you can stream Xbox One games to Windows 10
Yes, it was implemented last year or 2015, I forget. You can play it on most W10 devices. It is a nice feature but not exactly must have.
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