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[UCBooties]

If MS wants to win this year's E3 the only way to do it is with games. If this is another E3 press conference where they're gonna lower a fucking car in or bring in a Football (Soccer) player to hype up the same annualized sports franchises, it doesn't matter how good the Scorpio's specs are if the only thing you can play on it is the same old shit.

Sony will kill them again in mindshare with another slate of niche titles from fan-favorite developers unless Microsoft can bring a large and diverse enough line-up to pull attention.

 

[Equanimity]

I didn't watched the video and won't, but it's clear Ms and Sony strategies are completely different.

Ms isn't just launching a more powerful console. The bigger bet is the universal platform, and how it will be a lot easier to develop for both at the same time.

How is that different from the base and Pro PS4 model?

 

[Breakage]

If they do that, they will be going back on their MULTIPLE statements that it is part of the XB1 family and they will all play the same games. I agree that they will need to have Scorpio exclusives eventually, but they are going to whip up a PR shitstorm if they do

Yeah, not good for a brand [Xbox One] that already has a messy past. Microsoft have really fucked themselves into a corner. I don't know why they are trying to recover the Xbox One with Scorpio. Their efforts would be better spent on developing a true PS5 challenger. And even if they are going down the road of exclusives, how will they whip them up in the space of two to three years? By 2020 people will be looking towards PS5.

They should have just accepted they've lost this gen and subsisted on the X1S for the next couple of years, while working on a real next gen Xbox and getting their first party games together.

Nintendo managed to drag the Wii U out till its successor was ready. MS should have done the same.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I think thats a very US centric view.
In the US I could see things change in the blink of an eye, but in Europe and Japan not so much.

 

[semiconscious]

Xbox One got off to a bad start, and because of poor optics and strong competition, it's never been able to recover. There's good news, though: Everything can change in the blink of an eye.

um, sure, if you say so ...

 

[chubigans]

How are Microsoft's pillars of Halo/Gears/Forza, games that have not pushed the XB1 audience past half of the PS4s, suddenly more relevant on a more expensive machine?

We are at the point of these numbered franchises reaching 5/6/7, not even counting all the extra games in-between them (Gears of War Judgement, Halo Reach, etc.). At this point, you kind of run out of surprises or anything insanely different with these games that both lures new audiences while not alienating your core base. So maybe you pivot and spin off games that have totally new mechanics while keeping your franchise brand (Halo Wars 2, Forza Horizon series). These are not big sellers, but are at least good ways to keep the franchise fresh. At some point though, you need something more to push your new machine. Unless you're willing to just completely tear down your game into something totally original (Call of Duty 4, and to a lesser extent, Battlefield 1), your aging franchise isn't going to be bringing in many newcomers.

Microsoft is terrible at funding their own original IPs. They would much rather keep studios churning out numbered sequels to their aging franchises, scavenge for any kind of relevant IP to resurrect (Crackdown 3, Phantom Dust), throw money to keep games exclusive for a window of time, or outsource games to devs that they will eventually micromanage to death before they eventually cancel it (Scalebound, the new Phantom Dust remake). I wonder why Remedy is no longer partnering with Microsoft.

I mean, this is a company that turned Black Tusk studios, who were working on a new IP, into the Coalition, who's sole purpose is to make Gears of War games forever. And we're suppose to assume that they're going to be bringing in brand new, original IPs for Scorpio?

Hey, maybe I'm wrong and we'll get a flood of new games. Certainly new and exclusive VR games for sure. That has to count for something, right? I wonder if they will show those before the big Halo VR premiere trailer.

 

[Sydle]

The forum is going to be fucking epic during E3.

Get the popcorn ready!

And, yes, like someone else said, stop underestimating the significance of big 3rd party releases. Microsoft's consoles are never only defined by what exclusives they possess, but for all we know Microsoft may actually have an exclusive that breaks the forum. Let's see what they do at E3. Will be fun to see either way.

The only context in which I read your posts now is that you're trolling everyone. Is E3 when you plan to say gotcha to the forum?

 

[LukasTaves]

How is that different from the base and Pro PS4 model?

Because the both in that sentence refers to all Windows devices, not xbone and Scorpio.

 

[GOOCHY]

Scorpio isn't going to mean much if there isn't any exclusive software to play on it.

 

[vcc]

I agree with pretty much everything he says. Except maybe the Xbox games on PC. I dont think MS is loosing as many sales on hardware as Colin likes to think. Plus you are still buying into the xbox ecosystem when you do anyway.

That is a hard thing to quantify, logically it would mute interest from PC players.

 

[Zedox]

I don't know if I will write a thread on this but I believe that Xbox has been slowly growing their platform services and are going to highlight those more than anything while on Scorpio. Their marketing has an easier time more than ever to deliver Scorpio.

Look at how they could possibly market Madden '18.
"Best graphics on the most powerful console"
"Participate in tournaments with Xbox Arena"
"Watch tournaments on Beam (iOS, Android, PC, Web)"
"Broadcast your game on Beam"
"<team> discussion in Groups"
"Own the game on Xbox and PC" (obviously that's a stretch cuz EA but that's besides the point)
"Early Access with EA Access"
"Powered by best online gaming service Xbox Live (insert that random group that said that)"
"Keep up with your NFL scores with the new NFL App"


Now you take those features and apply them to all the other games for 3rd party (for the features it supports obviously) and you have a compelling case for a consumer to buy a third party game on Xbox platform. Each game highlighting those platform features. Scorpio basically is the icing on the cake for team Xbox (it really is just a more powerful Xbox, that's also more powerful than PS4P). The meat of their strengths has always been platform features, they just didn't have the console to highlight that without being in the shadow of a more powerful, popular system in the PS4. All of those features I named will be unique to Xbox platform (besides most powerful as that is only for Scorpio) and can differentiate itself from PlayStation.

We shall see what happens.

 

[Sweep14]

Also, why is everybody apparently thinking that Scorpio will be wildly available everywhere humm ? I predict that it will be very supply constrained therefore severly limiting its impact, if any

 

[Equanimity]

Because the both in that sentence refers to all Windows devices, not xbone and Scorpio.

I see. Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[Kthulhu]

I disagree with Colin. I think Jason Scheier was right when he said MS should try the living room PC approach.

Like Colin outlined, MS can't compete in the first party or Japanese spaces. They should leverage their command of Windows to make a more graphically capable system with all the options Win32 brings them.

 

[Dougieflesh]

I just don't see a scenario where people who haven't jumped into this generation yet choose to buy a seemingly $400+ console that plays the same games that you could get on a console that is half the price.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Studios. They need more first party studios.

That's not to say I don't like the collaborative work that they have done and continue to do with teams like: Playground, Armature, Remedy, Crytek, Insomniac, Undead Labs, Creative Assembly etc and I hope they continue to work with these teams and make new partnerships with new studios but they need a couple of new first party teams.

There looks to be some great games to look forward to this year but 2018 is an absolute unknown quantity, which is exciting worrying in equal measure.

I don't think they need to worry about the Scorpio hardware itself, its going to be the most powerful home console for a good few years on the market and they will push the absolute fuck out of it so you won't be able to escape the Scorpio(/or whatever its called) brand for the months pre and post release.

It's always about the games and as a paid up Halo and Forza fanboy they are always guaranteed a sale from me but its those that are on the fence or unsure about what to pick up that they need to convince and they can help put themselves in a better place with a surge of goodwill from gamers and positive word of mouth and they get that by having a commitment to the Xbox brand by diversifying and increasing there software output.

All eyes on the Sunday of E3, its either going to be an incredible showing or a complete damp squib.

Pretty exciting, eh.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Pretty much. At some point he and Greg need to admit they were wrong.

never. the appropriate strategy is to always double-down

 

[Doug Heffernan]

If MS wants to win this year's E3 the only way to do it is with games. If this is another E3 press conference where they're gonna lower a fucking car in or bring in a Football (Soccer) player to hype up the same annualized sports franchises, it doesn't matter how good the Scorpio's specs are if the only thing you can play on it is the same old shit.

Sony will kill them again in mindshare with another slate of niche titles from fan-favorite developers unless Microsoft can bring a large and diverse enough line-up to pull attention.

I expect them to lower another couch from the ceiling while the audience wears space ponchos. They will then bring out Usher once again to promote Just Dance Scorpio Edition. Then they will bring out Roger Goodell to speak at length about the all new improved NFL App for Scorpio. Next up is Mark Z. to talk extensively about the all new life changing Facebook app on Scorpio. Finally they will close out the show with an awkward Occulus demo.

Edit: But wait!!!

Mattrick returns to take the stage brandishing an all new Kinect 3 tattoo. Mic drop...

 

[UCBooties]

I don't know if I will write a thread on this but I believe that Xbox has been slowly growing their platform services and are going to highlight those more than anything while on Scorpio. Their marketing has an easier time more than ever to deliver Scorpio.

Look at how they could possibly market Madden '18.
"Best graphics on the most powerful console"
"Participate in tournaments with Xbox Arena"
"Watch tournaments on Beam (iOS, Android, PC, Web)"
"Broadcast your game on Beam"
"<team> discussion in Groups"
"Own the game on Xbox and PC" (obviously that's a stretch cuz EA but that's besides the point)
"Early Access with EA Access"
"Powered by best online gaming service Xbox Live (insert that random group that said that)"
"Keep up with your NFL scores with the new NFL App"


Now you take those features and apply them to all the other games for 3rd party (for the features it supports obviously) and you have a compelling case for a consumer to buy a third party game on Xbox platform. Each game highlighting those platform features. Scorpio basically is the icing on the cake for team Xbox. The meat of their strengths has always been platform features, they just didn't have the console to highlight that without being in the shadow of a more powerful, popular system in the PS4. All of those features I named will be unique to Xbox platform (besides most powerful as that is only for Scorpio) and can differentiate itself from PlayStation.

We shall see what happens.

Man, I hope that finds a market for them but none of that shit is appealing to me. And tying everything to Madden isn't going to do anything to prove that they're interested in being anything more than the dude-bro sports and halo console.

 

[backbreaker65]

I don't know if I will write a thread on this but I believe that Xbox has been slowly growing their platform services and are going to highlight those more than anything while on Scorpio. Their marketing has an easier time more than ever to deliver Scorpio.

Look at how they could possibly market Madden '18.
"Best graphics on the most powerful console"
"Participate in tournaments with Xbox Arena"
"Watch tournaments on Beam (iOS, Android, PC, Web)"
"Broadcast your game on Beam"
"<team> discussion in Groups"
"Own the game on Xbox and PC" (obviously that's a stretch cuz EA but that's besides the point)
"Early Access with EA Access"
"Powered by best online gaming service Xbox Live (insert that random group that said that)"
"Keep up with your NFL scores with the new NFL App"


Now you take those features and apply them to all the other games for 3rd party (for the features it supports obviously) and you have a compelling case for a consumer to buy a third party game on Xbox platform. Each game highlighting those platform features. Scorpio basically is the icing on the cake for team Xbox (it really is just a more powerful Xbox, that's also more powerful than PS4P). The meat of their strengths has always been platform features, they just didn't have the console to highlight that without being in the shadow of a more powerful, popular system in the PS4. All of those features I named will be unique to Xbox platform (besides most powerful as that is only for Scorpio) and can differentiate itself from PlayStation.

We shall see what happens.

To be honest Madden is just not that good to care.

 

[UCBooties]

I expect them to lower another couch from the ceiling while the audience wears space ponchos. They will then bring out Usher once again to promote Just Dance Scorpio Edition. Then they will bring out Roger Goodell to speak at length about the all new improved NFL App for Scorpio. Next up is Mark Z. to talk extensively about the all new life changing Facebook app on Scorpio. Finally they will close out the show with an awkward Occulus demo.

My god! This man can see the future!

 

[vcc]

I don't know if I will write a thread on this but I believe that Xbox has been slowly growing their platform services and are going to highlight those more than anything while on Scorpio. Their marketing has an easier time more than ever to deliver Scorpio.

Look at how they could possibly market Madden '18.
"Best graphics on the most powerful console"
"Participate in tournaments with Xbox Arena"
"Watch tournaments on Beam (iOS, Android, PC, Web)"
"Broadcast your game on Beam"
"<team> discussion in Groups"
"Own the game on Xbox and PC" (obviously that's a stretch cuz EA but that's besides the point)
"Early Access with EA Access"
"Powered by best online gaming service Xbox Live (insert that random group that said that)"
"Keep up with your NFL scores with the new NFL App"


Now you take those features and apply them to all the other games for 3rd party (for the features it supports obviously) and you have a compelling case for a consumer to buy a third party game on Xbox platform. Each game highlighting those platform features. Scorpio basically is the icing on the cake for team Xbox (it really is just a more powerful Xbox, that's also more powerful than PS4P). The meat of their strengths has always been platform features, they just didn't have the console to highlight that without being in the shadow of a more powerful, popular system in the PS4. All of those features I named will be unique to Xbox platform (besides most powerful as that is only for Scorpio) and can differentiate itself from PlayStation.

We shall see what happens.

Platform features haven't worked for them so far. Seems like actual exclusives and a solid set of gaming features won out this generation so more of secondary platform features won't shift the landscape much.

 

[Zedox]

Man, I hope that finds a market for them but none of that shit is appealing to me. And tying everything to Madden isn't going to do anything to prove that they're interested in being anything more than the dude-bro sports and halo console.

To be honest Madden is just not that good to care.

I used Madden as an example. -_- It's still a popular game and 3rd party games matter more than anything.

Platform features haven't worked for them so far. Seems like actual exclusives and a solid set of gaming features won out this generation so more of secondary platform features won't shift the landscape much.

Platform features didn't work because, one they didn't have all of them (beam and arena still aren't out for public...and XPA just started) and most of all, no one was going to get an "underpowered console" compared to the competition. Now that they will have the most powerful console, they can compete on the merits of their strength and not have a handicap. They obviously need to work on more first/second party games but they have to get everything else right that they can while making that happen.

 

[Salty Rice]

Pretty much. At some point he and Greg need to admit they were wrong.

I wouldnt say mistake but Pro wasnt really necessary.

Its nice to have but no game changer.

They were not wrong.

 

[vcc]

I used Madden as an example. -_- It's still a popular game and 3rd party games matter more than anything.

To the generation leader. They push sales as if they were timed exclusives to the generation leader. You saw hardware sales bumps on majors 3rd party games on the PS2/360. Something like a good 3rd party game went 70% of sales to the generation leader and bumped it's sales up.

Platform features didn't work because, one they didn't have all of them (beam and arena still aren't out for public...and XPA just started) and they most of all, no one was going to get an "underpowered console" compared to the competition. Now that they will have the most powerful console, they can compete on the merits of their strength.

Looking back, the pattern has been that power matters in the first year of what the consumer thinks is the start of a generation then thereafter the momentum of the consoles that generation carry it. The PS3 despite catching up world wide only carried forward the momentum of how they were doing in each market and never caught up in the US. Despite catching up they took much less of the software sales. The reason why power doesn't matter later, is that the market has inertia and without a big 'generation' start it's unable to shift much. The consumers aren't ready. The PS4 pro not setting the world on fire may be a sign that the scorpio will similarly sell okay but change nothing.

 

[backbreaker65]

I used Madden as an example. -_- It's still a popular game and 3rd party games matter more than anything.

My dude they have used madden and fifa all gen long and they still sell more on PS4.

 

[Omnistalgic]

For me, it's just a bit too late in the gen before I'm buying another anything.

I mean I'm getting a Switch eventually that's mostly to replace my Vita and give me something to play at work.

I'm really not interested in getting any new hardware for a good couple years. I don't think Scorpio will do anything but get get current Xbox owners to upgrade personally. Some of my most anticipated games are just on PlayStation, that kinda holds more weight than anything at this point. I'm mostly interested in seeing how much better games look/run and what new features MS announce.

 

[AmuroChan]

Uhm they will have all the big AAA 3rd party games this fall alongside State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, Forza 7 and Sea of Thieves.

I dont see whats the issue here.

The issue is we know about all these games already and XBox is still in a distant 2nd place. The status quo isn't enough clearly. If they actually want to make up ground, Scorpio needs to offer something unexpected that will blow people away and entice people to want to dish out $400-$500 for a new Xbox.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

The thing about being excited about integration with the Windows 10 store, is that I don't see why anyone would care. No one gives a fuck about the Windows 10 store except for MS themselves, and a tight-knit group of very hardcore MS fans.

It is pretty telling that the handful of posters on gaf who are excited about this are the same handful of posters that you could see excited about windows 10 adoption numbers. I don't think they are representative of the Xbox userbase at large

Xbox 360 fans were excited about the Xbox 360 because that was the console where you could play the most games (including Japanese games and indie games). They have now moved on to the console this gen with the largest library. The only way to get these fans back is to focus on getting all the games again

 

[CalamityPixel]

um, sure, if you say so ...

Remember remember the REVOLUTION

Things change quicker than you think, doesn't matter if you have the lead.

 

[Hero]

Scorpio could be a diversion tactic. Ultimately, MS is more concerned about keeping their Windows OS relevant in the smart phone age. Windows 10 is far more important to Redmond than Xbox One.

I believe MS is going remove the distinction between consoles and PCs by adding an "Xbox Mode" to Windows 10 that would be able to run both Xbox One and Xbox 360 games. There'd be hundreds of millions of Xbox One compatible PCs in one stroke. It would be the logical step for Microsoft after making the Xbox One run on Windows 10, introducing Universal Apps and Xbox Play Anywhere. If MS would allow other manufacturers to make their own "Xboxes", they could completely crush Sony's dominance in the consoles market. And scare the bejeesus out of Valve.

Oh I absolutely agree with you. Xbox brand or their video games don't matter to MS compared to their operating system stuff. I have major concerns for the Xbox platform moving forward.

 

[Elandyll]

I don't either. It's the only way Scorpio has a chance of moving a lot of units. All this talk of beast-like power is irrevalent when it can't even be used to offer new gameplay experiences.

I think MS should accept they've lost this gen and drag the Xbox One S for a couple more years while putting their efforts into a real 2020/1 X1 successor. Such a strategy has the benefits of ditching the tarnished Xbox One name and potentially getting a headstart on the PS5.

This Scorpio project is dumb because the console will be limited to being a machine that simply enhances games made for a 2013 platform (if what Ms is saying is true).

I don't think it will (have exclusives).

1) Spencer clearly said so.
2) It would split the userbase. Did you see how unhappy some people were about the PS4 Pro being announced (Collin being a good example)? If MS went the exclusive road (outside VR) for Scorpio, this x1000.
3) Sony will announce its PS5 within 2 years, specially if Scorpio is even moderately successful, thus starting a real new gen. The power debate will then shift.
4) What would be the incentive for devs to design on a super small install base? Even 1st parties have to be evaluated on market realities.

Imo the Scorpio exists because of the following reasons:

- HTPCs would start looking mighty attractive, playing the same games for diminishing costs but with much more power. A more powerful box, playing the same games but better, for a little more money makes sense (same reasonning for Pro)
- try to get some new/ existing buyers in search of "the total 4K package", basically purists/ early adopters.
- Because they knew Sony was doing a mid gen upgrade anyway, a staggered release with them gives them a chance to come up on top in the power debate (which died out a lot in the past 2 years, because we're well within a gen and now it's more about exclusive libraries available on the family of hardware).

Now, is MS eventually going away from generations? Probably, by shifting to HTPCs it might not even produce itself at that point.
But until then, they need the boost in exposure and "reset" provided by a new gen. And Scorpio, imo, ain't it. It is intended to keep them relevant with a powerful Win10 box (and specifically US/ UK).

Now is it possible they will have a legendary E3 with incredible looking 1st party exclusives both "old" (as in known to be coming this year/ expected: Forza 7, Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3) and new (Halo 6, GeoW 5,something from Remedy...) and a few unexpected 3rd party temp exclusives, on top of a renewed interest in Japanese titles available, and a killer Scorpio presentation at $399 doing real 4K all around with a UHD player and all the bells and whistles...

Sure, anything's possible.

But at the same time a lot about their E3 is kinda known, and having only so many 1st party studios (some being franchise factories)... imo the big unknown is the price of the Scorpio (its hardware being known as a 4K30 box w/ 6TF). $399 will get people excited, and $499 or above will seriously deflate that.

On the sw side... I'm not sure what they can announce that's not known, or based on moneyhats like ROTTR was (which got people pissed). Maybe some og Xbox titles that have a cult following (Battletoads and Perfect Dark Zero seem primed).
Personally I was hoping for the return of Mechwarrior titles, but it looks like 3rd party indie devs already got that going on PC (which is great).

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Why do people think a $400 Xbox that plays the same games is going to cause some sort of explosion?

Because some enthusiasts tend to have a poor reading of the mass market.

 

[Crawl]

So what happens if developers just ignore the extra power in the scorpio? Why would a developer spend extra resources on something that has no install base when I can just make a game for the PS4 install base instead?

If 3rd parties / sony cut the legs out of from under the scorpio; you have all this power not being used and no developers with incentive put in extra work to the scorpio versions of games unless microsoft funds it.

Just because something is the 'most powerful' doesn't mean suddenly everyone will flock to it. You cant dictate a new generation(if is a new gen) of hardware when the large majority are content with a PS4. Install base > ease of development/resources > power.

 

[ByWatterson]

How are Microsoft's pillars of Halo/Gears/Forza, games that have not pushed the XB1 audience past half of the PS4s, suddenly more relevant on a more expensive machine?

This nails it. I don't think they know why they lost. It's not messaging or the rocky start that it precipitated. The long term trend favors Sony because of software variety, period.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

The thing about being excited about integration with the Windows 10 store, is that I don't see why anyone would care. No one gives a fuck about the Windows 10 store except for MS themselves, and a tight-knit group of very hardcore MS fans.

It is pretty telling that the handful of posters on gaf who are excited about this are the same handful of posters that you could see excited about windows 10 adoption numbers. I don't think they are representative of the Xbox userbase at large

Xbox 360 fans were excited about the Xbox 360 because that was the console where you could play the most games (including Japanese games and indie games). They have now moved on to the console this gen with the largest library. The only way to get these fans back is to focus on getting all the games again

It's the top people like Nadella at MS that want it. Everything will be Windows from now on. It doesn't really hurt them. It's just there.

This nails it. I don't think they know why they lost. It's not messaging or the rocky start that it precipitated. The long term trend favors Sony because of software variety, period.

These are brands people associate Xbox and MS with. That is where it is relevant. Just like people will look at Playstation and think God of War.

 

[facetheslayer92]

Wow that was a good video. Colin has nailed the presentation. More episodes like this please.

 

[Curufinwe]

I'm expecting a similar performance as the Pro in regards to sales.

In what territories? I don't see how you could expect it to sell as well as the Pro has done in Europe and Japan.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Why do people think a $400 Xbox that plays the same games is going to cause some sort of explosion?

And people need to stop acting like Scorpio is a next gen console. It's not. Games will only look marginally better than the Pro and it's. it getting exclusive games

hopes and dreams

some people managed to convince themselves that fucking directx version updates would change the course of the sales race

it is what it is

 

[cakely]

I expect them to lower another couch from the ceiling while the audience wears space ponchos. They will then bring out Usher once again to promote Just Dance Scorpio Edition. Then they will bring out Roger Goodell to speak at length about the all new improved NFL App for Scorpio. Next up is Mark Z. to talk extensively about the all new life changing Facebook app on Scorpio. Finally they will close out the show with an awkward Occulus demo.

Edit: But wait!!!

Mattrick returns to take the stage brandishing an all new Kinect 3 tattoo. Mic drop...

I'm still having flashbacks from that Kinect launch.

 

[ByWatterson]

These are brands people associate Xbox and MS with. That is where it is relevant. Just like people will look at Playstation and think God of War.

And that's fine, but they never create new brands with which gamers associate them.

You said God of War, but that is only one in a stable of killer Sony brands, which is ever-expanding (see e.g. Horizon).

Scorpio will do fine, but unless MS has a plan for expanding its software roster, it will not set the world on fire any more than X1 already did.

 

[Curufinwe]

Xbox One got off to a bad start, and because of poor optics and strong competition, it's never been able to recover. There's good news, though: Everything can change in the blink of an eye.

 

[Wedzi]

So I guess the real big question now, has Microsoft walked themselves into a hole by announcing Project Scorpio super early and just letting it gain this falsified notion that it's a next gen type console? They were pretty clear when they announced it that it was in the Xbox One family but no real information since then besides vague tweets and hype have seemingly led them to an unobtainable goal. I understand why they don't want to real affirm what exactly Scorpio is for fear of slowing down the hype train but I can't see this ending well.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

And that's fine, but they never create new brands with which gamers associate them.

You said God of War, but that is only one in a stable of killer Sony brands, which is ever-expanding (see e.g. Horizon).

Scorpio will do fine, but unless MS has a plan for expanding its software roster, it will not set the world on fire any more than X1 already did.

They do create new IP. The problem is they don't sell and meet expectations that match up to Halo, Gears, and Forza. The first step for MS should be to treat any new IP they announce as if it's a pillar. Which means going ham on the advertisement. Make Crackdown a pillar, make Sea of Thieves a pillar, hell even make Cuphead a pillar.

 

[therealbigrich]

People saying they don't see what the Scorpio could do to change Xbox misfortunes I can only think that it would give at least a reason to own a Xbox over a PS which would be the extra power. Which I don't think it would help much since if you were looking for the most power possible then you would go PC but then again since not every game is on PC I guess best console version would be a good reason to buy for some

 

[ianpm31]

I'm tired of hearing this how tides can turn in a blink of an eye. Playstation has world wide appeal and it sells everywhere and the other console is only competitive in us/uk. It's cool to be excited for whatever but this has to stop. Doesn't take long to understand the market. Xbox has a brand problem. There is a reason why Xbox never won a generation while Playstation is going on 3/4 gens

 

[Sentryxj]

I feel a major issue for Microsoft is that they want to be the third party machine again ,but Sony already has deals for most of the major ones people even care about (Destiny,Battlefront,RDR2,COD) which they can't actively advertise and show why they would be better on Scorpio

 

[Hockeyguy412]

Why buy a scorpio when the next xbox will be out in 2 years

 

[Crayon]

So I guess the real big question now, has Microsoft walked themselves into a hole by announcing Project Scorpio super early and just letting it gain this falsified notion that it's a next gen type console? They were pretty clear when they announced it that it was in the Xbox One family but no real information since then besides vague tweets and hype have seemingly led them to an unobtainable goal. I understand why they don't want to real affirm what exactly Scorpio is for fear of slowing down the hype train but I can't see this ending well.

The MS conference is my most anticipated of e3 because I want to see if they double down on the "Scorpio fixed everything" story or try to bring it back down to earth.

 

[borges]

Scorpio is fine but the pro was a mistake.. Colin please.

I think you didnt watch the video.