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Hillary Clinton video message on Facebook

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Carpe Libertatem said:
You have zero idea what the United States is like and how politics works.

Come live here for a few years, visit some non-coastal places/the south/rural areas and then tell me that all we need to do is be as progressive as possible and hammer that into voters.

Until then, you know nothing about what the U.S. is truly like.
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I have lived in Cali for two years, maybe that was the problem?

I'm not saying that those bigoted/deplorable parts of the populace don't exist; I'm merely suggesting that there is some untapped potential with the Independents that get frustrated by the muddled messaging and pandering coming out of the Washington establishment.

Do you think that Bernie's popularity with them was some kind of fluke?
 
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Billy_Pilgrim

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whyamihere said:
And until Democrats stop trying to say that this election was solely (again, key word: solely) about Hillary's faults and not Trump's message and appeal, we'll lose again in 2020.
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Those two things are incredibly intertwined. Half of Trumps message was that he wasn't Hillary Clinton.
 
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Ms.Galaxy

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Billy_Pilgrim said:
Did she

A) Win an election

or

B) Lose an election
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Lose, but that's not the point. The meme is saying that Clinton/her supporters are blaming the voters for not wanting Clinton, but that's not true because, in general, the majority voted Clinton. So it doesn't make much sense.
 
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Arrogant Bastard

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Billy_Pilgrim said:
Because she failed to win an election against possibly the worst human on the planet.
Until you come to terms with this and understand the ramifications for any future election against him, you're doomed.
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You can read, I know that; I would really appreciate it if you would engage what I wrote. If you don't want to, cool, but don't engage me then. Cause it is disingenuous as fuck.

I'm exceptionally tired of being talked down to by people who don't understand our electoral system. I don't roll into a UK thread, ya know why?
 
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The Technomancer

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Billy_Pilgrim said:
Because she failed to win an election against possibly the worst human on the planet.
Until you come to terms with this and understand the ramifications for any future election against him, you're doomed.
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The ramifications are that a lot of people in this country are way further gone than we ever expected in a way that's so horribly depressing we screwed up by not wanting to contemplate it. Ill apologize for a lot of things but I'll never apologize for foolishly thinking my country was incapable of electing a man that openly vile
 
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KHarvey16

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Billy_Pilgrim said:
You do realise that the President is Donald Trump and not Hillary Clinton, right?
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His base is a minority of the population. If we convince everyone but them this problem goes away quickly.

Ferrio said:
When i say idiots and irrational people I'm talking about the undecided.


I don't have to step out myself, I would have voted for her regardless if wasn't Trump. I didn't pick her because it was the "better" option, I truly thought she was a great candidate. That election night was one of the most crushing and depressing nights of my life. That said I'm going to be pragmatic as hell when it comes to trying to out the Trump admin. If that means having asking someone shy away from the spot light then so be it, I'm sorry Hillary.
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Undecideds broke for Trump for a lot of reasons, and many of them are dissolving as he bumbles his way through the first month. She should be part of any campaign to win those people over.
 
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Curufinwe

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whyamihere said:
And until Democrats stop trying to say that this election was solely (again, key word: solely) about Hillary's faults and not Trump's message and appeal, we'll lose again in 2020.
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I don't think you have any idea what Trump's policies are going to do to the ignorant, poor whites who got him elected. They're not so ignorant that they won't notice when the jobs he promised them never materialize and millions of them lose their healthcare.
 
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whyamihere

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Billy_Pilgrim said:
Those two things are incredibly intertwined. Half of Trumps message was that he wasn't Hillary Clinton.
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Then you don't understand Trump's message. Have fun in 2020!

Maybe -- maybe -- Trump is a better politician than you'd all like to admit.

Curufinwe said:
I don't think you have any idea what Trump's policies are going to do to the ignorant, poor whites who got home elected. They're not so ignorant that they won't notice when the jobs he promised them never materialize and millions of them lose their healthcare.
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I saw 2004. I know what people are capable of.

Treat him seriously. He's not a fluke.
 
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Aaronology

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TheLaughingStock said:
And tens of millions despise Hillary, won't vote for her, voted against Trump and not for her, etc. Step outside the bubble. Even when limiting yourself to just liberals many do not align with her worldviews and are trying to takeover the party so ideas move in a different direction. The Democratic party is divided and it's undeniable. It probably won't end until the Clinton wing steps aside and lets the Bernie wing see what they can do post-Trump.
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Step aside person and co. who ran a bad campaign and could not get votes!

Let's give the stage to this other person and their camp, who ran a bad campaign and could not get votes!
 
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Billy_Pilgrim said:
Because she failed to win an election against possibly the worst human on the planet.
Until you come to terms with this and understand the ramifications for any future election against him, you're doomed.
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Dude HOW fucking important is it for you to not acknowledge misogyny's influence on anything

Christ
 
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royalan

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TheLaughingStock said:
And tens of millions despise Hillary, won't vote for her, voted against Trump and not for her, etc. Step outside the bubble. Even when limiting yourself to just liberals many do not align with her worldviews and are trying to takeover the party so ideas move in a different direction. The Democratic party is divided and it's undeniable. It probably won't end until the Clinton wing steps aside and lets the Bernie wing see what they can do post-Trump.
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Step aside for a man who lost the primary and is just as polarizing? Who can't even consolidate support NOW? LOL
 
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Calcaneus

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I voted for Clinton but I think its perfectly fine to think she made some mistakes this election and not want her to run again in 2020 (which most likely wont even happen). If this was a video of her announcing that she's running, the go away posts would make a lot of sense, and I would agree.

Like I get the kneejerk reaction to anyone involved in the 2016 election (though some of the bashing in here is just way too far), but this really is just a video praising and encouraging the political action of her supporters. Its nothing but a good thing.
 
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Garrett Hawke

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Smh a y'all for now hating on the one woman who tried her damnedest to rescue you from the orange turd who you voted in anyway because you thought she was robotic or some shit.

Bye.
 
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Curufinwe

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Trump's message was blaming minorities including Obama for all the problems poor white people have. Four years later when their problems are worse what will his message be?
 
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Bowler

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All I know is that if Biden ran.... Biden would be president.

There was many votes that went to trump, johnson, Stein, simply because #anyonebuthillary
 
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The Technomancer

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Oh her campaign absolutely made mistakes. Quite a few. But Jesus Christ she ran on a solid platform against a piece of human excrement
 
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Curufinwe

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whyamihere said:
Then you don't understand Trump's message. Have fun in 2020!

Maybe -- maybe -- Trump is a better politician than you'd all like to admit.



I saw 2004. I know what people are capable of.

Treat him seriously. He's not a fluke.
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Trump is nothing like Bush. His economic policies aren't just bad, they're incoherent.
 
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Knuckle Sandwich

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Good to hear from her and I hope she stays active. I was mad at her for a little while because of her bad campaign but thankfully I realized how doofy I was being.

Verano said:
she always leaves it in late...good thing she lost
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Yeah man things are going so swell without her.

It's sad that the irrational hatred of her spread from the republicans and consumed so many. :-(
 
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Vixdean

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Decades of public service advancing progressive agendas yet somehow despised by the left as a corrupt lying opportunist.
 
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Billy_Pilgrim

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whyamihere said:
Then you don't understand Trump's message. Have fun in 2020!

Maybe -- maybe -- Trump is a better politician than you'd all like to admit.



I saw 2004. I know what people are capable of.

Treat him seriously. He's not a fluke.
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Oh, I do understand Trumps message. He created a caricature of himself as a straight talking, rough hewn, anti-globalisation, anti-immigration, anti-wall street, anti-politics, pro-blue collar populist and he was able to do so because his opponent was a candidate who symbolised the opposite of all of those things in the public mind at large.
 
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Garrett Hawke

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Vixdean said:
Decades of public service advancing progressive agendas yet somehow despised by the left as a corrupt lying opportunist.
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GOLDMAN SACHS

emails

Robotic!

Never speaks policy

Ran on a campaign of #NotTrump!

etc etc etc

Couldn't possibly ever be anything to do with SJW stuff like misogyny, white resentment, lack of education etc.
 
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phanphare

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Calcaneus said:
I voted for Clinton but I think its perfectly fine to think she made some mistakes this election and not want her to run again in 2020 (which most likely wont even happen). If this was a video of her announcing that she's running, the go away posts would make a lot of sense, and I would agree.

Like I get the kneejerk reaction to anyone involved in the 2016 election (though some of the bashing in here is just way too far), but this really is just a video praising and encouraging the political action of her supporters. Its nothing but a good thing.
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this is where I'm at. I personally loved that hillary supported all of the protesting and grassroots organizing going on across the country in the video. it's what we need.

The Technomancer said:
Oh her campaign absolutely made mistakes. Quite a few. But Jesus Christ she ran on a solid platform against a piece of human excrement
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this is true. I think the extreme remarks in this regard are coming from the notion that with a little tweaking she would have won.
 
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ZeoVGM

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funkystudent said:
Yo Hillary

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This and the similar posts are so embarrassing, ignorant and childish.

Hillary is a good woman who wanted good things for this country. This hate that some people seem to have for her is insane.
 
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whyamihere

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Billy_Pilgrim said:
Oh, I do understand Trumps message. He created a caricature of himself as a straight talking, rough hewn, anti-globalisation, anti-immigration, anti-wall street, anti-politics, pro-blue collar populist and he was able to do so because his opponent was a candidate who symbolised the opposite of all of those things in the public mind at large.
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Okay but you need to understand that message extends beyond 2016. If you treat him like a fluke and that this is all Hillary's fault, that makes me VERY scared people don't understand his appeal!
 
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The Technomancer

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Vixdean said:
Decades of public service advancing progressive agendas yet somehow despised by the left as a corrupt lying opportunist.
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The most infuriating thing is that these are right wing lines and a segment of the left swallowed them wholesale. They couldn't even go after any of her substantive flaws, it was all about being a "neoliberal corrupt witch"
 
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UFO

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Ms.Galaxy said:
Lose, but that's not the point. The meme is saying that Clinton/her supporters are blaming the voters for not wanting Clinton, but that's not true because, in general, the majority voted Clinton. So it doesn't make much sense.
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The voters didn't want her, she had an incredible low approval rating pre-election. And so did Trump. But Trump being trash doesn't somehow wash over the fact that Hillary was a terrible DNC candidate and if they had done their do-diligence and put forth a reasonable selection of candidates for the primary she never would have been the democratic nominee.
 
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Coffinhal

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America, please get rid of her, her neoliberalism and doubtful ethics* that brought you Trump. Sanders didn't stop fighting one second, he's your guy even if he isn't a real radical, he'll do a fine job. It's not a matter of the face of the candidate or campaign strategy, it's a shift in policy making and ideology that is needed, otherwise other Trump will succeed. Alternatives are needed and all the center-left did is taking their ideology from the 80s neoliberal right and applied these, with new faces (Clinton then Obama) but with a total lack of success, and sometimes worsened things.

*I'm not talking about emails
 
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kirblar

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KHarvey16 said:
Undecideds broke for Trump for a lot of reasons, and many of them are dissolving as he bumbles his way through the first month. She should be part of any campaign to win those people over.
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What's completely misunderstood by many on the left: Clinton's campaign to flip moderate R voters in Urban/Suburban areas worked. Yes, there were losses elsewhere that ended up way bigger than expected, but you cannot turn back time. You have to adapt, evolve, and go towards the future (which appears to be showing us a gigantic urban/suburban v rural divide, or else you will not succeed.

If you put a more charismatic candidate in her place and re-run the basic conceptual strategy, it'll work. Just don't actively ignore ground game -invest in your locals!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/upshot/democrats-best-bet-for-house-control-is-following-the-sun.html

There has been no shortage of reports that President Trump is still very popular in the bars and diners of the old industrial towns that decided the 2016 presidential election.

But if you want to meet the voters who will decide the biggest political story of the 2018 congressional elections, you might have to fly right over the blue-collar workers of Youngstown, Ohio, and go talk to the real housewives of Orange County, Calif.

Yes, it's early. But if we're already breathlessly checking in on Altoona, Pa., then add the O.C. to the mix.

Orange County was the heart of Sun Belt conservatism and one of the most reliably Republican bastions of the 20th century. It voted Republican in every presidential election from 1936 until 2016, when it voted for Hillary Clinton by a nine-point margin.

It's hard to think of a place that was less relevant to Mr. Trump's fortunes in 2016. Mrs. Clinton's success in Orange County, and in well-educated and Hispanic areas elsewhere in the Sun Belt, helped her win the popular vote — though there was no payoff in the Electoral College. But it's districts like these that will decide whether the Democrats can make a serious run at control of the House.
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It's not much of an exaggeration to say that the road to a Democratic House begins and ends at Laguna Beach.

Darrell Issa, who represents the California coast from southern Orange County to part of La Jolla, is probably the nation's most vulnerable incumbent. That's based on factors that tend to predict which districts are likeliest to be competitive — like the result of his last election (he won by just 1 point) and how the district voted in recent presidential contests.

By the same measures, the 24th-most vulnerable Republican is Dana Rohrabacher, whose district is immediately north of Mr. Issa's — stretching up the Orange County coast from Laguna Beach to Sunset Beach. In between, Ed Royce and Mimi Walters represent the 13th- and 20th-most vulnerable districts.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-09/the-democrats-new-base-romney-voters

There's a paradox within the Democratic Party right now as leaders plot their path forward. On the one hand, they want to get back to their labor roots. On the other hand, electoral trends will pull them in the other direction: In 2016, the group that most swung toward Democrats was wealthy Mitt Romney voters, who will represent the key to Democrats making electoral gains in 2018.

Democrats would be forgiven for thinking "make labor great again" should be their electoral approach right now. In times of confusion and uncertainty, it's human nature to go with what you know. Even after losing many working-class white voters to the Republican Party, labor roots in the Democratic Party remain deep. On paper, focusing on those labor roots would please the labor interests within the party, and perhaps would win back some of those straying Trump voters.

The problem is even the recent official strategy of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee acknowledges those aren't the voters they'll be targeting. Their main focus will be targeting the 23 seats held by House Republicans in districts that Hillary Clinton won, plus an additional 10 seats in districts that Clinton narrowly lost.

And what we know about those districts that swung toward Clinton is that they're full of rich people who voted for Romney in 2012. The five Republican-held House districts with the biggest swings toward Democrats in the presidential race in 2016 are in Texas and Georgia. All have average household incomes over $100,000 per year. Three of those five districts are on the DCCC list. Also on the list include four Republican-held districts in Southern California -- the 39th, the 45th, the 48th and the 49th -- which have average household incomes above $100,000.

Making matters worse for labor interests in the Democratic Party is the districts on the other side of the ledger -- Democratic-held seats that had big swings toward the Republican Party in 2016. These are the seats Republicans are most likely to target in 2018 as pickup opportunities. They're moderate-income districts in the Midwest. The five Democratic-held seats with the biggest swings toward Republicans are Pennsylvania's 17th, Ohio's 13th, Minnesota's 8th, Minnesota's 7th and Michigan's 5th. Ohio's 13th happens to be the district of Tim Ryan, the congressman who challenged Nancy Pelosi for House minority leader. In the unlikely scenario where Republicans produce another wave in 2018, he's the kind of Democratic congressman who could lose his seat. He's also the kind most likely to serve the Democrats' shrunken labor base.
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Aaronology

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Ms.Galaxy said:
Lose, but that's not the point. The meme is saying that Clinton/her supporters are blaming the voters for not wanting Clinton, but that's not true because, in general, the majority voted Clinton. So it doesn't make much sense.
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He's not going to own up to the fact that he posted an idiotic facebook style meme in a failed attempt at snark, Ms. Galaxy. I admire your persistence, though.
 
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commedieu

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phanphare said:
mine too. doesn't mean it was all peaches and cream.
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Fine doesn't = peaches and cream. It was superior to the gop's campaign. Low turnout was the reason she lost, campaigning better wouldn't have changed American attitudes that "both sides are the same." Resulting in people staying home, and protest voting. And no amount would make her be bernie. People hated her. For whatever reasons. Literally hated the woman.

The campaign ran during a shitty tipping point in global right movements. We were caught with our pants down, not understanding the sheer volume of morons that would vote against their own health and quality of life.

Look at the Brexit threads, and Americans commenting how it could never happen here. People genuinely believed that. Just like they genuinely thought she would win.
 
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tbm24

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Bowler said:
All I know is that if Biden ran.... Biden would be president.

There was many votes that went to trump, johnson, Stein, simply because #anyonebuthillary
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Speaking in hypotheticals, I think Hillary would have taken Biden's lunch money too. Biden would have taken Bernies in a 3 way race.
 
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Garrett Hawke said:
GOLDMAN SACHS

emails

Robotic!

Never speaks policy

Ran on a campaign of #NotTrump!

etc etc etc

Couldn't possibly ever be anything to do with SJW stuff like misogyny, white resentment, lack of education etc.
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Man, people who use "SJW" as a pejorative are the most uninformed people on the planet. It's an instant qualifier; saves a lot of time.
 
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