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You're say humour against say, the rich, is objectively inferior to humour that targets the poor. That it's funnier to joke about women and minorities than men
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You're say humour against say, the rich, is objectively inferior to humour that targets the poor. That it's funnier to joke about women and minorities than men
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ScientificPizza
Banned
That's true. I've always said that jokes are only funny when they are attacking people less fortunate than I am. I mean finding humour in places where people *don't* feel ostracised? Can you even call that humour??
One of the things I found most offensive about Colin's original tweet was how lazy it was. He's a guy who is at a comedic focused outlet and he used the most bottom of the barrel joke he could think of. And people are falling all over themselves to defend it as being genuinely funny. Like if this is so funny go and find an old joke book from the 80's at a used bookstore and you'll probably shit yourself thirty times reading the first page.
GametimeUK
Member
How the hell did you ever come to that conclusion after reading what he said?
(Edit) apologies, I misread.
The Salt Life
Banned
It's called having a tight knit group of friends man, most people have each other's backs. Maybe you never ran with a crowd of people you came up with before so you can't relate but it's not an obsession it's people speaking from their experiences in life.
yup, when someone makes a bad / racist / sexist joke, they're instantly a comedian and therefore protected by the "comedy / satire is allowed to do that" clause.
I have plenty of great friends. As opposed to blindly defending me, they help me grow as a person by pointing out when i'm being a dickhead.
......because that's what he said.
"There maybe some comedy that doesn't punch down but where is the fun in that? It's not as good as the comedy that punches down."
Do you know what comedy that punches down means?
No light sexist jokes are ever allowed ever again. All men who joke about girls being naggy and loud need to be crucified.
By the way, I jokingly told my mate the other day that all guys think with their dick, I'm assuming that joke isn't allowed either.
Hey what do I know, last time I posted here I got hoarded out of this thread by a bunch of guys. Lord knows a girls opinion isn't allowed on this.
*patiently awaits another response saying it wasn't about the joke, despite the myriad of posts before this that defend the original outrage over the joke*
The Salt Life
Banned
Humor knows no boundaries
Punching down to me means putting something down in general. Stop putting words in my mouth, you can punch down the rich, the wealthy, white people, anyone. Comedy thrives on insults, not just insulting the less fortunate.
Edit - ok apparently punch down does not mean what I thought it means.
What I want to convey is nobody is safe in comedy.
"Praise in public, criticize in private"
Psst that's not what punching down means
ScientificPizza
Banned
It's not about the joke *in a vacuum*. How is this so difficult for people to understand. It's about making the joke on the day he made it
You telling your friend some garbage, boring joke in private is a lot different than a very public figure like Colin tweeting it out to the world. What you think is funny is entirely irrelevant to the conversation as you are not a universal barometer of comedy that decides what can and cannot offend people.
The lack of empathy in this thread is mind-boggling
I'm going to be honest here: it's hard for me to understand how other people have been legitimately offended in any way whatsoever over this.
This doesn't mean that I shouldn't/or strive to understand...
Personally, it takes an awful lot to offend me - I have very thick skin. I also consider myself to be a fairly empathetic person but trying to suppose someone else's feelings and reactions to stimuli when they're so alien from your own is hard.
I know a lot of you are young, passionate and righteous and more power to you... keep fighting that good fight but this just doesn't feel that important to "me"... there are so many other battles that we should be waging.
Consider the forum: neogaf, twitter, Facebook... whatever. They're all predicated on being seen to be saying something. I think we're whipping each other up into a call-and-response shitstorm that has resulted in some absolutely horrible behaviour.
Colin's joke was shit - no question. It's equally horrible to be called "humourless sacks off shit" as well... nobody is saying this is great behaviour but some of the vitriol I've seen in response is just staggering.
This community embarrasses me sometimes.
This doesn't mean that I shouldn't/or strive to understand...
Personally, it takes an awful lot to offend me - I have very thick skin. I also consider myself to be a fairly empathetic person but trying to suppose someone else's feelings and reactions to stimuli when they're so alien from your own is hard.
I know a lot of you are young, passionate and righteous and more power to you... keep fighting that good fight but this just doesn't feel that important to "me"... there are so many other battles that we should be waging.
Consider the forum: neogaf, twitter, Facebook... whatever. They're all predicated on being seen to be saying something. I think we're whipping each other up into a call-and-response shitstorm that has resulted in some absolutely horrible behaviour.
Colin's joke was shit - no question. It's equally horrible to be called "humourless sacks off shit" as well... nobody is saying this is great behaviour but some of the vitriol I've seen in response is just staggering.
This community embarrasses me sometimes.
H.Cornerstone
Member
Yep, but we're snowflakes who overreact to everything
They also run a business, I imagine all of the guys approved what Greg posted in response, since he was doing it for Kinda Funny, you know, they business they own?
ScientificPizza
Banned
So defend, and by proxy approve, of stupid behaviour in public, telling your audience that you think this is okay, but then say that it isn't okay in private?
You're right that's a wonderful way to conduct business
Darryl M R
Member
I'm patiently waiting for you to make sense.
- People acknowledge that Colin's joke was sexist especially on International Women Day
- People called him out for it on Twitter
- He doubles down and insults people
- People on GAF discuss his actions and how they are hypocritical because he insulted others and began to play the victim after baiting responses
- In order to discuss what happened people on GAF explain how his joke was perceived and why he received the initial pushback before he doubled down, and how his actions before shows a pattern
Here's your homework, read my bulleted list. Reread the last bullet. And then respond if you want to.
"Folks, believe me, my skin is thick. I don't get offended. The dishonest posters, however, will find any reason to throw a fit. Sad!"
If you make a sexist joke and the other person tells "that offended me" you should apologize instead of insulting them.
Context is important. Messing around with your friends saying stupid shit is different from being a prominent person making a bad joke on an important day that fights the same type of behavior he showed.
It's not about being "comedy". He isn't a comic and he wasn't performing an act. He said a dumb joke on twitter.
And, worse than the joke was his reaction to people saying it was in poor taste.
If you offend people you should apologize and try not to offend him. Not double down on it.
Context is important. Messing around with your friends saying stupid shit is different from being a prominent person making a bad joke on an important day that fights the same type of behavior he showed.
It's not about being "comedy". He isn't a comic and he wasn't performing an act. He said a dumb joke on twitter.
And, worse than the joke was his reaction to people saying it was in poor taste.
If you offend people you should apologize and try not to offend him. Not double down on it.
H.Cornerstone
Member
I'll take someone who hasn't read the thread for 500 Alex.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
The post I responded to attempted to claim that a person said Colin should be universally shunned for making a joke when the reality is the poster just said Colin made a sexist joke and people should be aloud to criticise him for saying it.
I could get into why I think telling sexist jokes to a young impressionable fanbase is harmful, especially given in recent history the entire GG fiasco has proved this kind of thing is an issue, but nothing I said in that post eluded to if I personally think sexist jokes are wrong or not.
He has to double down on it. People are literally demanding it. That's the concerning part.
"Colin, Tim, Nick, and I discussed this at length behind closed doors. This isn't the first disagreement we've had and it certainly won't be the last, but we won't allow it to come between our commitment to each other and the business at large. Let's put this behind us and move on to PAX."
Probably would have played better, but I'm just spitballing.
The difference is that you said it in private to your friend, not online, and not as a somewhat public figure. I say outrageous shit all the time to my friends, I don't consider myself a bad person because of it. Would I post any of it online to people who don't know me? Hell no.
I should add that my own reaction to the tweet was: "oh, that's not cool on on International women's day... whatever'. I was hardly running for my pitchfork.
This "he's not a comedian" argument is a bit blurry... he's a professional multimedia celebrity that works for a company called "kinda funny". He appears live in front of people with a microphone and makes people laugh.
I can see how someone in that position could become confused into thinking that they're "always on" and say stuff on twitter that is forced and misses the mark.
I can see how someone in that position could become confused into thinking that they're "always on" and say stuff on twitter that is forced and misses the mark.
I love this notion that people who think Colin's full of shit about this are "humorless." By and large we're not. Plenty of us even enjoy offensive humor, I know I do. But there's a way to tell offensive humor that's much more interesting than this. People keep saying "Louis CK (or choose your favorite comedian) does this," which completely ignores the way in which those comedians tell a joke and who the joke is actually about. This is a lazy, hackneyed joke and the fact he can't at least acknowledge that the joke and timing sucked should be a red flag.
Here's a bit of Louis CK joking about kids dying, soldiers getting killed and slavery. It's hilarious, and I don't see people getting up in arms about it. Why not? Because he's actually telling jokes about those things, not just saying "Hey women are loud, am I right?"
Saying something's "just a joke" doesn't free it from any sort of critical analysis. Comedians can joke about anything they want, obviously, but when they're as lazy and incompetent about it as Colin, they deserve to be called out, and when they can't handle criticism at all and start retweeting Glenn Beck, that's considerably more troubling and probably indicative of more serious issues.
And I don't think people would have nearly as big a problem with this if he had just said that rather than calling people who criticized him pieces of shit, saying everyone who didn't like the joke was humorless, and looking into going on Glenn Beck's show.
Here's a bit of Louis CK joking about kids dying, soldiers getting killed and slavery. It's hilarious, and I don't see people getting up in arms about it. Why not? Because he's actually telling jokes about those things, not just saying "Hey women are loud, am I right?"
Saying something's "just a joke" doesn't free it from any sort of critical analysis. Comedians can joke about anything they want, obviously, but when they're as lazy and incompetent about it as Colin, they deserve to be called out, and when they can't handle criticism at all and start retweeting Glenn Beck, that's considerably more troubling and probably indicative of more serious issues.
And I don't think people would have nearly as big a problem with this if he had just said that rather than calling people who criticized him pieces of shit, saying everyone who didn't like the joke was humorless, and looking into going on Glenn Beck's show.
Here the thing, I like Colin as much as the next guy( probably a little more than the people on this thread though), the problem now is not the tweet. The problem is the reaction to everything. He has put his friends and fans in a awkward position over a stupid little joke. People are now going after Greg , Tim and other fans cause of this and that's not right. I know Colin reads this, Colin you don't even have to apologise. Just tell people to stop speaking for you and you don't approve of it cause this is going to affect more than just your livelyhood but your closest friends.
ScientificPizza
Banned
That's basically what Greg's statement said?
I don't understand what point you're trying to make
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
Colin was being a troll, which is behaviour that I find repugnant. He's been getting worse in this regard for some time.
He could've made any joke about any subject. If the intent of it is to shit stir, hurt feelings and cause the shitstorm that he knew it would - it's a gross thing to do that should absolutely be called out. This was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.
We're not talking about someone being persecuted or their cutting edge comedy being censored. As has been said, "worse" things have been said on their show.
It's not about his politics, he's done fine for years (if controversially) despite his conservative views. It's about him constantly goading a section of his audience and peers that he doesn't feel in line with, fully aware of the response he'll get. It's spiteful and immature, and antithetical both to Kinda Funny's ethos and his own calls for reasonable discussion.
So no, I don't think many people were genuinely offended by the literal content of the joke, rather the purpose behind it. People aren't stupid, and neither is Colin. Everyone knows why this went down how it did and could have seen this coming a mile off.
The only people making it solely about "offence" are those wanting to make it an issue of PC gone mad to make people who don't like Colinms behaviour seem hysterical. The issue is trolls fucking suck and make the internet a worse place to be.
He could've made any joke about any subject. If the intent of it is to shit stir, hurt feelings and cause the shitstorm that he knew it would - it's a gross thing to do that should absolutely be called out. This was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.
We're not talking about someone being persecuted or their cutting edge comedy being censored. As has been said, "worse" things have been said on their show.
It's not about his politics, he's done fine for years (if controversially) despite his conservative views. It's about him constantly goading a section of his audience and peers that he doesn't feel in line with, fully aware of the response he'll get. It's spiteful and immature, and antithetical both to Kinda Funny's ethos and his own calls for reasonable discussion.
So no, I don't think many people were genuinely offended by the literal content of the joke, rather the purpose behind it. People aren't stupid, and neither is Colin. Everyone knows why this went down how it did and could have seen this coming a mile off.
The only people making it solely about "offence" are those wanting to make it an issue of PC gone mad to make people who don't like Colinms behaviour seem hysterical. The issue is trolls fucking suck and make the internet a worse place to be.
Yeah, you can tell me to "grow a pair" all day every day.
Post to your thousands of twitter followers "people should just grow a pair #internationalTesticularCancerAwarenessDay" would certainly ruffle some feathers.
I don't disagree with any of this.
Almost feels like a good cop, bad cop situation. They've publicly disagreed with each other, and taken a stance. This means people on either side will feel like they have someone empathizing with them. For their purposes, this should result in the least amount of lost support, as opposed to all of them doubling down in either direction which would piss off one side entirely.
i.e. "I think x is pathetic, but y really seems to be a principled guy who I want to keep supporting."
i.e. "I think x is pathetic, but y really seems to be a principled guy who I want to keep supporting."
i don't believe in the slightest that they want their fanbase to be split in different fan-camps behind each individual team member. That's the most toxic kind of fanbase you can have :/
- as can be observed right now.
Greg's post was FIVE paragraphs and read like a dad apologizing for his son. "I hope Colin thinks before he makes a joke on his own Twitter."
I really didn't think much of Greg's apology at first, but it does seem overboard, no? There is a sweet spot. Greg's write-up might have been appropriate if Colin had just posted a sexist rant. In this context, though, he may have over-cooked this one.
I don't feel the need to say anything else on this subject, you have perfectly summarised the situation from my point of view.
Dirtyshubb
Member
Fantastic post, I'm sure it won't stop the flood of 'its just a joke' comments but it's worth repeating.
ScientificPizza
Banned
So Greg could have been a better friend to Colin by just writing less in a statement? That's just being pedantic.
Fair enough, it was just a thought. It seems to me that this stuff will fade away over time if they can keep people at least interested. If they go all in one way or the other it seems like they'd take a larger initial hit of people just noping out and not giving it a second thought.
You do realize that, right now, you're kinda being acting as some kind of 'tone police' that those who are sick of "outrage culture" are constantly pointing fingers at.
This is all good. Especially the part about the jokes purpose, he was clearly trying to annoy people and then smack them down.
I used to like Colin during Beyond but apparently he's just slid into a position of trolling feminists and civil rights activists which is just sad.
Also I call out my friends when they said sexist shit.
The Salt Life
Banned
One thing we can all agree upon I think is that next episode is going to be something.
How long do they address it for? A quick 5 minutes "it happened, moving on"
Does Greg sit there and defend his friendship with Colin and encourages him to get things off his chest.
I almost feel like Colin should say something now instead of letting it fester until next Tuesday, but who knows what he will say on that Glenn Beck radio show today, he could make the situation ten times worse.
How long do they address it for? A quick 5 minutes "it happened, moving on"
Does Greg sit there and defend his friendship with Colin and encourages him to get things off his chest.
I almost feel like Colin should say something now instead of letting it fester until next Tuesday, but who knows what he will say on that Glenn Beck radio show today, he could make the situation ten times worse.
Audioboxer
Member
Fans will never be homogenised. Different opinions are a thing, and every community is going to have hundreds if not thousands of different people in it.
Didn't know this topic had gone totally to Colin talk, but for what it's worth I gave my 2 cents in the community thread. Guy should probably split off and do something political now (he keeps saying politics are his real passion), or at least on his own, then he only answers for himself. Which like it or not you kind of need to do these days, if you're on a team and you do things the team might not agree with, instead of it being a difference of stances/opinions, this is where the fans do swoop in and turn everything into a bloodbath.
Fair enough. If the goal of Greg's post was to unite the community, I'm contending that it was a poor one, and offering how it could have been better. It's obviously a pointless exercise, and hindsight is 20/20. We simply have a friendly disagreement. No harm, no foul.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
So Colin didn't apologise, has no doubt doubled down and is now actively involving himself with the political internet nut show crowd all while his actions have fully activated the 'deplorable' side of the 'Best Friends'.
At least Arin got rid of Jontron at the right time, huh.
At least Arin got rid of Jontron at the right time, huh.
Sauce Marlow
Member
Anybody notice the people in this thread supporting Colin keep ignoring the points of the people they're debating with? Kinda like a certain Colin M who also ignores the arguments of others when debating...
How thick do you have to be to believe that people are "outraged" over the joke? Even despite dozens of people in this thread explaining that, that isn't the issue! If you're not going to bother reading and just keep screaming "DON'T GET OUTRAGED AT A JOKE" you clearly aren't even attempting to understand the situation.
How thick do you have to be to believe that people are "outraged" over the joke? Even despite dozens of people in this thread explaining that, that isn't the issue! If you're not going to bother reading and just keep screaming "DON'T GET OUTRAGED AT A JOKE" you clearly aren't even attempting to understand the situation.
HIGH DEF JEFF
Banned
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/839542070050115584
The shit people get upset about continues to surprise me.
Darryl M R
Member
You can just say that you have no real point and just want to defend Colin for reasons
They believe being purposefully dense will muddle the conversation enough but people aren't stupid.
apparently your "fragile feminine heart" can't handle the "sexist tyranny"